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Defenestration 2024 年 3 月 2 日 下午 9:23
4chan is the internet's last hope to preserve freedom of speech
Anywhere else including here will get you banned
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Mega Ultra Chicken 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 9:38 
I agree, there's too much cancel culture on Steam forums and no way to fight bans.
Azza ☠ 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:12 
You need to define what you consider freedom of speech... it will never be freedom of consequence however.

引用自 Stranger
引用自 Majestic Turkey

By that standard North Korea has free speech.

Again simply looking at the history of attempts to deplatform kiwifarms(just scroll back over the timeline https://t.me/kiwifarms), there is no "just make your own" platform anymore, the left have invalidated their own excuse justifying censorship.

That's probably why they made the excuse in the first place. They felt confident it would fail.

They're very manipulative-minded, and 20 years later that failure hasn't really happened yet. And they have no clear plan besides waiting and waiting.

Almost any 'active' party, no matter how ridiculous their polices are, would have more draw for the average person who actually wants to fix things.

Both 4Chan and it's rejected offspring Kiwifarms had been terminated from server providers in the past for good reason.

4Chan is no longer under management of the original owner and host. That was terminated for so-called free speech becoming a mass sewage leak of CP (mostly in cartoon form), beheadings, terrorism, and school shooters, etc.

The creator of 4Chan Christopher "moot" Poole had claimed Hiroyuki Nishimura took over the owner of 4Chan since 2015. At the very same time, Hiroyuki Nishimura had been raided by the police for his 2Channel forum, which was seized. It's not Hiroyuki Nishimura running 4Chan, he's arrested, but rather a fed backboned server these days. It can withstand even the DDoS attacks and hackers, which previously had crippled the old 4Chan from even functioning anyways.

As for Kiwifarms, the owner of that Joshua Moon, came from 8Chan, a reject of 4Chan, which he got kicked off being a content mod after allowing CP (mostly in cartoon form) and child rape stories. He assumes child abuse content isn't real if it's drawn or written.

Kiwifarms had in the past been terminated for hosting CP (mostly in cartoon form), doxxing and slandering, death threats, terrorist videos and manuals, bomb threats, and illegally ripped content. It was suspended even from CloudFlare hosting by police request due to it's threats.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked

The host provider who allowed extremists, neo-nazis, terrorism content and far-right forums, gave them a new server to remain online, had later even terminated them again for similar abuse. CP (mostly in cartoon form) and an underage member uploading videos of themselves watching adult porn, etc. Now Joshua Moon wants to sue that host that was the only one who would rehost them at the time.

Even with Elon Musk and his xTwitter, claiming freedom of speech, removing rules... he ended up CP abuse materials over it and fined $610,500 by eSafety. It seems to happen a lot every time someone tries to remove anti-hate speech and other rules, pretending that is free speech somehow. It goes toxic, toxic, more toxic, extreme toxic, and then just keeps on trying to push it to see how illegal and gross it can get. There's the same old pattern every single time, yet they try the silly rinse and repeat, this time it will be different somehow.
最後修改者:Azza ☠; 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:20
Nogsec 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:15 
Sad website for sad losers

You can tell who uses the site too much because they all have the same personality
Barney, from Black Mesa. 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:20 
I'd strongly disagree; their jannies can easily go gung ho with the permanent bans, more so than here. Freedom of speech on 4chan is an illusive thought, as are mostly all websites on the surface web that proclaim 'true—pure' free speech.

You can easily be permanently shadow-banned at a moment's notice without investigation into why you've been banned. All they do is display the IP of the person who was banned, and that's it, no questions asked (that is as open as they are—unless you 'buy' your way back in with membership). They have unregulated power, and with that in mind, they also have a groupthink problem, much like Reddit.

4chan is an illusion of promises with its surface-level "anonymity" and seemingly unregulated chaos. Sure, it is chaotic, yet chaos isn't what validates that it truly promotes free speech. This is a place full of power-hungry moderators and a wave of fanatics with primarily the same compressing answers to most questions. Plus, on top of that, the owner of that website has directly injected a plugin that sends all your data straight to Google; not to mention, 4chan is a place that is also full of feds (a great way to easily get on the watch list if you say something that is remotely open to interpretation—they have more cops there than you could count on your fingers).
最後修改者:Barney, from Black Mesa.; 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 12:11
Azza ☠ 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:28 
Freedom of speech works by applying some rules and restrictions to it. Without them, you actually start to threaten and block free speech from others. One just mob mentalities together and yells over the other. Immature individuals will keep pushing the limits, just to see how much they can get away with. Extreme individuals will start using it as a dumping ground for illegal content.

Now you might find some 'free speech' toxic websites stay around, but if it's on the ClearNet (or even sometimes the DarkWeb), you can better believe if it's stuck around for some time, it's because it's been fed backboned and they are merely using it as a honeypot.

You get all sorts of confessions on them. If it wasn't for all the harassment and abuse towards others as well, it would be just like criminals announcing their crimes to the world and claiming that's their free speech.
hi friends 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:32 
if i call someone ♥♥♥♥♥♥ directly or start calling rando guy in corner a pedo or something and not get banned for it, then i'd rather not have that place as a place for "freedom of speech".

if the place have an actual good moderation that don't involve banning random ass virtual content because ♥♥♥♥ your western double standards, and respect actual human being, then i'd have that.

unfortunately the latter tend to not exist.
最後修改者:hi friends; 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:36
Merci 2024 年 3 月 3 日 下午 11:57 
4chan is just a dirty needle ridden children's playground popular with angry men who refuse to grow up until they are like 40
Pocahawtness 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 12:28 
引用自 Spring Jelly
4chan is just a dirty needle ridden children's playground popular with angry men who refuse to grow up until they are like 40

Who demand their "right" to do and say whatever they want, while blaming any trouble or hurt they cause on the victim.
最後修改者:Pocahawtness; 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 12:29
Awaken 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 12:37 
That is incorrect, 4chan is moderated like everything else. I remember them banning people for discussing gamergate.
AerSilver ♞ 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 12:47 
引用自 Thadeus
I tried using 4chan but it's so....CHAOTIC. The interface is utterly ♥♥♥♥.
There's some great add-ons and catalog mode, very handy.
Meister Donut 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 2:48 
4chan is more like preserving cartoon child porn and the right wingers there don’t seem to care.
Kamiyama 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 2:52 
In order for that to happen 4chan would have to remove the captchas.

I've never been able to solve them. I've tried dozens of times, gone back again and again over the years. I've watched youtube videos on how to solve the captchas. I've gone to reddit and there are threads in the 4chan subreddit about the captchas.

It seems that if you work for an alphabet agency then you hold the opinion that the captchas are really easy and anyone who can't solve them is stupid.

But if you are an actual 4channer, then they're basically impossible.

It seems that they are working as intended and will probably not be removed.

- I also wonder if this is the real reason that 8chan was taken down. They don't want people posting anonymously at a forum like this. They took down 8chan and they have 4chan under control.
Nogsec 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 3:04 
引用自 butterfly
- the story about a loser creep who blackmailed lonely men into becoming femboys & taking HRT
What is that?? 0_0
ナルゴ 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 3:19 
引用自 Kamiyama
In order for that to happen 4chan would have to remove the captchas.

I've never been able to solve them. I've tried dozens of times, gone back again and again over the years. I've watched youtube videos on how to solve the captchas. I've gone to reddit and there are threads in the 4chan subreddit about the captchas.

It seems that if you work for an alphabet agency then you hold the opinion that the captchas are really easy and anyone who can't solve them is stupid.

But if you are an actual 4channer, then they're basically impossible.

It seems that they are working as intended and will probably not be removed.

- I also wonder if this is the real reason that 8chan was taken down. They don't want people posting anonymously at a forum like this. They took down 8chan and they have 4chan under control.
It's a matter of necessity. You should have seen the state of the site before captchas were implemented over a decade ago. Someone with a script could spam the entire site with blocks of ASCII art and gibberish. Since then, people have been trying to automate captchas to continue spamming the site, and 4chan kept updating the captchas as a result.
Thus we've reached a point where people unfamiliar with 4chan's captcha implementation are actually filtered out.

You get a glipse of how nice and productive 4chan posts are whenever the site updates its captcha and temporarily block out all the 3rd parties that successfully automate the captcha from constantly spamming it.
trousers 2024 年 3 月 4 日 上午 3:24 
But I like getting banned!
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