Nintendo suing Yuzu (Creator of Nintendo Switch Emu)

[🍃🪻🪷Sylvie🩵🍸🍵]

Apparently, the creators of Yuzu are being sued by Nintendo for circumventing encryption keys for Nintendo Switch games.

https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/1b1mghd/twitter_nintendo_is_suing_the_creators_of_popular/

[Ulfrinn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sarge the Imperial Stormdoggo:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ulfrinn:

If you never pirated anything in your life, then maybe you should stop claiming to do the impossible as your way of acquiring ROMs used for emulation, and maybe learn how ROM dumping is actually done.

And I am well aware that you are trolling.

If you think that's what I'm doing why are you so invested in it? I just wanna know where you get the fact of "everyone in the world steals nintendos stuff" "everyone who uses emulation is a pirate" cause that's a big fat lie and you know it.

I didn't say everyone in the world steals Nintendo's stuff. I said Yuzu is primarily used by people who do. Most people still just buy their games on Switch.

[Ulfrinn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ulfrinn:

It won't be around forever, sure. But it's around right now. It's current right now. That argument could be made later but right now, nobody is downloading Yuzu and game files to preserve anything. It's not going to be a defense for Yuzu. I'd be surprised if Yuzu devs even take it to court. They don't really earn any income from it and wouldn't be able to afford the legal fees required to go toe to toe with Nintendo. I doubt the devs are going to risk their lives being financially ruined over something they don't even earn income on.

I wasnt talking about downloading game files. I was talking about the emulator itself and using legally obtained copies to run the game. The preservation aspect is about creating your own private backups from those legally obtained copies. As I see it, piracy is a different topic, one which I dont know much about anymore because I stopped when Steam became more convenient and now I like giving devs my money (unless I dont like the company, in which case I dont play their games) and I have become too paranoid about malware to engage in it... so I will just have to take your word for it that Yuzu is used by pirates. Either way, I still think they are separate things.

I hope they do have the money to fight Nintendo, because if Nintendo wins, other companies will follow. Its not a good precedent.

Well, that's why Nintendo may not offer an out of court agreement. If they do, other people might thing "well we'll just continue making this software until a court says we can't." If Nintendo thinks it has a solid case, they may just destroy the Yuzu devs so that the Ryujinx and Cemu devs pay attention.

[Sarge the Comfy Gaming Doggo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ulfrinn:

I didn't say everyone in the world steals Nintendo's stuff. I said Yuzu is primarily used by people who do. Most people still just buy their games on Switch.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ulfrinn:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Chrisader:

I'm sure people just want the games for free:peppinoeyes:

That is the primary reason they emulate.

Oh really? Where are you getting these facts is what I'm asking you bro. You can't just make something up and not have proof of it.

I've told you like 15 times piracy is illegal and emulation is for preservation. Show me the facts otherwise. Just because you think everyone in the world is Blackbeard the pirate doesn't make that a fact.

Why can't you just tell me where you are getting your source of information from, because there is none.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ulfrinn:

You got caught pirating old games, after trying to hard to defend emulators as not being tools for piracy. I'm not the one hiding anything so I have nothing to not be calm about. Next time, just buy the stuff you want. Especially when it comes to current gen hardware like the Switch.

Please tell me what I pirated out of this small fraction of my collection please.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3171206295

I even did a 4chan style timestamp for you bro. So tell me what I got caught pirating PLEASE. I'M BEGGING YOU.
Next time buy ur games plz.

[AD]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ulfrinn:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AD:

I wasnt talking about downloading game files. I was talking about the emulator itself and using legally obtained copies to run the game. The preservation aspect is about creating your own private backups from those legally obtained copies. As I see it, piracy is a different topic, one which I dont know much about anymore because I stopped when Steam became more convenient and now I like giving devs my money (unless I dont like the company, in which case I dont play their games) and I have become too paranoid about malware to engage in it... so I will just have to take your word for it that Yuzu is used by pirates. Either way, I still think they are separate things.

I hope they do have the money to fight Nintendo, because if Nintendo wins, other companies will follow. Its not a good precedent.

Well, that's why Nintendo may not offer an out of court agreement. If they do, other people might thing "well we'll just continue making this software until a court says we can't." If Nintendo thinks it has a solid case, they may just destroy the Yuzu devs so that the Ryujinx and Cemu devs pay attention.

From what I understand, as long as they dont include encryption keys, they are absolutely fine with continuing working on the emulator. The grey area that Nintendo intend to abuse was that they mentioned how to dump the encryption keys from a Switch (which is required to be able to run the games).

And yes, I consider it abuse because as long as you dont distribute they keys and keep them private, I dont think you have done anything morally wrong. But thats because I am biased, I care more about games then soulless corporations.

[Valfossa]

Oh good, the Ninty Agent is still here acting like he knows what he's talking about.

Just going grab this for a sec.
https://youtu.be/TYo_oWsWdso

[Sarge the Comfy Gaming Doggo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Chrisader:

Oh good, the Ninty Agent is still here acting like he knows what he's talking about.

Just going grab this for a sec.
https://youtu.be/TYo_oWsWdso

I’m still waiting to learn what I’ve ever pirated, he’s just full of hot air. 5 nintedollars was added to his switch account tho!