what is this talk of "an european" being Dutch I don't think ANYBODY sees themselves as "european"

[De Hollandse Ezel]

well my fellow "europeans" lets hear it.. do any of you identyfy as european?
or do you see yourself as dutch, belgian, luxenbourgian, german, french, spanish, italian, etc etc

how you feel bout others classyfing all of you into one.. like people talk about "africans" or "asians" as if they were all 1 nation or culture..

[Stingray_tm]

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

we agree that we like the shengenzone.. but we had shengenzone back when the EU was still the EEG.. in the 80s.. before we had an euro.. or a european constitution or brussels soaking up so much taxmoneys to keep bureacracy... etc..

and we agree also we not want another war amongst european nations.. but that such a scenario is highly unlikely and not need an eu to excist for that never to happen again. even without eu we're still all in nato just to name one thing..

Who is "we"?. Don't you dare trying to claim to speak for all Dutch.

[potato]

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

same with me saying I am dutch, not european.

holland is in europe, dutch people are considered european

[Stingray_tm]

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

I get the idea that more "europeans" are annoyed by that term being used on them.. the same way "africans" are annoyed if you use that term to descrive them..

Based on what sample size?

[Simulacrum]

Well look man, if you wanted to complain about the euro you should have just said from the start that's what the thread was really about xD

As for getting offended about Americans calling us Europeans, who cares ? Does that really bother you that much ? Let's be real, a lot of Americans can't name on the map where the Netherlands is anyway, but I bet neither can most Europeans point out where a lot of countries outside of Europe is (I definitely can't, I can tell you almost every European country, but I don't know where is any Latin American country, or Asian, or African, etc.)

It's just a convenient label, to say someone from the European continent. Don't be offended so easily

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Stingray_tm:

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

we agree that we like the shengenzone.. but we had shengenzone back when the EU was still the EEG.. in the 80s.. before we had an euro.. or a european constitution or brussels soaking up so much taxmoneys to keep bureacracy... etc..

and we agree also we not want another war amongst european nations.. but that such a scenario is highly unlikely and not need an eu to excist for that never to happen again. even without eu we're still all in nato just to name one thing..

Who is "we"?. Don't you dare trying to claim to speak for all Dutch.

I replied.. to that one user... and used we in the sense you and me.

[Funky Monk]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Midori:

If you're from Europe you're European.

Are you sure? I have my suspicions now 🤨

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Oprindeligt skrevet af potato:

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

same with me saying I am dutch, not european.

holland is in europe, dutch people are considered european

I am dutch. period. within the netherlands you have a province called holland;)
not all dutch are hollander.. some are.. in the same way not all americans are texan.

[potato]

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

I am dutch. period. within the netherlands you have a province called holland;)
not all dutch are hollander.. some are.. in the same way not all americans are texan.

they are european regardless just like all americans are american but not all americans are texans

your logic is nonsensical

[A&A]

Oh. This topic is like a dispute about who is the heir of the Roman Empire. In the end, it was given up because it was a mixed grill

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Simulacrum:

Well look man, if you wanted to complain about the euro you should have just said from the start that's what the thread was really about xD

As for getting offended about Americans calling us Europeans, who cares ? Does that really bother you that much ? Let's be real, a lot of Americans can't name on the map where the Netherlands is anyway, but I bet neither can most Europeans point out where a lot of countries outside of Europe is (I definitely can't, I can tell you almost every European country, but I don't know where is any Latin American country, or Asian, or African, etc.)

It's just a convenient label, to say someone from the European continent. Don't be offended so easily :sadistpolite:

well it's basicly 3 fold..

1 there is a real push to make the eu into 1 state.. which I believe only the corrupt goverements of nations in europe want.. the citycens in all those nations do not want that.,. and actually want a lot less eu.. (which is why they deny us the vote on an exit like the UK had for most nations would vote similair)
**framing people as being "european" is one part of an attempt to wipe out the current nationality's..

2 hearing people often americans.. but it can be used in any publication.. to say things bout I am going to europe or europeans are such and such vs americans such and such..
I am like WHAT nationality.. we differ vasty....

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Oprindeligt skrevet af potato:

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

I am dutch. period. within the netherlands you have a province called holland;)
not all dutch are hollander.. some are.. in the same way not all americans are texan.

they are european regardless just like all americans are american but not all americans are texans

your logic is nonsensical

america = a nation
eurrope = not.

it would be like calling people from the usa "north ameircans" which technocally they are.. but if you than start to make general statements as if north america is 1 nation with 1 culture.. thats the thing...

yes there is a continent called europe.. and those from it are thus europeans.. in the same way all americans aare also north americans.. all chinese are also asians and all chadians are also africans...
but to that treat the whole continent as 1 group and 1 nation.. thats nonsense.,. if I said I moved to north-america and I ment to honduras.. and start saying things bout north-america.. when it's all my limited experience with honduras.. you would also be like.. wtf...

[Funky Monk]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Midori:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Funky Monk:

Are you sure? I have my suspicions now 🤨

YOU'RE THINKING TOO HARD

No no, now i'm starting to think they are not, it makes more sense

[Tiberius]

Yea i dont understand abt that either. Europeans always identify themselves based on their nationality

[Stingray_tm]

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

the citycens in all those nations do not want that.,. and actually want a lot less eu.. (which is why they deny us the vote on an exit like the UK had for most nations would vote similair)

I would like to get a source for that.... Especially since most polls show a very clear majority for staying in the EU, especially after the Brexit disaster.

So please show me poll data, that indicates that the majority of the EU nations would prefer leaving the EU. Which is your claim here.

Many things you claimed so far are based solely in your own political bias but not in objective facts.

[Simulacrum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af De Hollandse Ezel:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Simulacrum:

Well look man, if you wanted to complain about the euro you should have just said from the start that's what the thread was really about xD

As for getting offended about Americans calling us Europeans, who cares ? Does that really bother you that much ? Let's be real, a lot of Americans can't name on the map where the Netherlands is anyway, but I bet neither can most Europeans point out where a lot of countries outside of Europe is (I definitely can't, I can tell you almost every European country, but I don't know where is any Latin American country, or Asian, or African, etc.)

It's just a convenient label, to say someone from the European continent. Don't be offended so easily

well it's basicly 3 fold..

1 there is a real push to make the eu into 1 state.. which I believe only the corrupt goverements of nations in europe want.. the citycens in all those nations do not want that.,. and actually want a lot less eu.. (which is why they deny us the vote on an exit like the UK had for most nations would vote similair)
**framing people as being "european" is one part of an attempt to wipe out the current nationality's..

2 hearing people often americans.. but it can be used in any publication.. to say things bout I am going to europe or europeans are such and such vs americans such and such..
I am like WHAT nationality.. we differ vasty....

I don't really know about that, I think overall many people are positive about the EU, it seems more like you're projecting your own feelings. Many of my friends (who are around the same age as me) generally are in favor of the EU and have positive feelings about it. But we're also young and generally lean left, I know that people who tend to lean right are tending to be against the EU. But either way, that's the impression I get, both from people here and from online friends in other European countries. My German girlfriend who I mentioned in my other reply also has the same view on EU, she is definitely in favor too