Simple reasons I hate skill based matchmaking.

[Flaak]

Another sbmm thread. It truly sucks the soul out of online games. Its literally equivalent to participation trophies. Something we also should stop doing to kids. Trophies are garbage pieces of plastic for the most part..(unless its a grammy or something). But they should be given to winners..as people who are SKILLED and GOOD should be considered winners. Not just here congratulations because you showed up. All that does is teach laziness. No preparation or outside hard work..just show up.

The truth is as people who play pvp games there are two types of people. Ones who enjoy the game by getting better and more skillful and others that just wanna play and have fun. Why does sbmm exist? Because the people who just want to have fun want to "not play try hards. Now the point is sbmm does none of this why masking itself as it does. The noobs play noobs and never get better and the good players only play really good players and everytime they log in have to sit in a pool of sweat just to break even. Its a demonic toxic system.

Games should base your skill and "rank" off how well you perform as opposed to the average player. Not the average gamer but the average player of that specific games. Some games have hardcore communities for years and everyone is really good so the average is high...while new games are really low.

Because if you are good at something..you should be rewarded by higher stats and better quality play. Atleast for you..if thats what you are looking for.

So if you are the player who wants to get better daily, dont you want to play people that are good too? and not just people of the same "skill" aka sbmm

Or you are the player who likes to just play....do you want to be catered to only play horrible people? Is that fun to you too? Like if you decide to mess around and play worse,, you will play worse opponents.

What happened to the good old RANDOM lobbies. The key to matchmaking having soul. The noobs outnumber good players 20 to 1 anyway so theres always a chance with random lobbies most players will face someone at their skill or below. The good players will defo have better stats but there should be some balancing to the game so said player cannot win everytime maybe.

Random lobbies were great. Noobs can watch pros snipe people and be amazed or a bunch of noobs can have a blast or maybe two really good teams finally meet there match. With the fact 70% of playerbase is below a decent rank usually, it is totally acceptable for random lobbies. They will balance the game and even noobs will have a chance to win because the odds of good players being in every match is LOW.

The idea that sbmm in place so that "pros dont stomp noobs", believe it or not you can play 50 games and not run into people that wildly outside the skill level. Secondly instead of sbmm why not just break it up into three chunks. Top 33 mid 33 and bottom 33. Three ranks to stop pros from wrecking everyone and yet only 3 so that way its fun and random!

Last thing to say is as someone who is usually a really good player..it gets old having the same k/d and w/l as someone 10x below my skill level. Theres nothing fun about being really good at a game just to be fed someone as good as me every single time and die for every kill. There is zero reward for being good at a game then. Because someone who is way less skilled has the same exact experience if not better because when youre not that good theres MUCH more room for error. Im at the point now where on fortnite if I miss a shot ill lose every fight.

I play pvp to relax and be slightly better than most people. Thats what I enjoy. I shouldnt have to sweat every single death. Or be forced to die as much as kill.

Just like old times anyway...even when being better I would constantly get challenged by people. So being random anyway most noobs can benefit from various skilled teammates.

If you cant agree and you think I just want to stomp noobs you dont even know how random lobbies worked pre 2014. They were fun amazing and at most good players would have 1.5-2k/d which really isnt that bad. Because more noobs would take the deaths there k/d was .9-1.2 usually which is still really enjoyable for noobs.

If people are okay with being bad then take more deaths than good players. Whats the big deal if you DONT CARE? :)

And if you are really that bad you cant enjoy the game on RANDOM lobbies maybe YOU should get better.

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от Abaddon the Despoiler:

So everybody else is lazy, because you don't like a challenge?

Im the one who doesnt like a challenge? You are the one who cant handle being worse than other people and need sbmm to hold your hand lmao.

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от wesnef:

So the premise is "SBMM doesn't let me stomp on noobs to make myself feel better, and therefor it's toxic"?

That doesn't sound like a problem.

Stomp on noobs? I stomp on good players and noobs because I am usually above even the average good player. So yeah im mad because I die just as much as I kill yet 10x better than the average player.

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Simple solution as stated is to split into three divisions
Noobs
Average
Pros
Separate these people and remove sbmm. Then let random lobbies sort it out.

Other than that if you think good players shouldnt have high k/ds and bad players have low k/ds then your the bot with a low k.d and cant handle being below average. Get off pvp and dont improve because you cant handle being worse than everyone else.

How about we don't do that, if there's one thing worse then having skilled based leagues, its insulting players by calling them noobs. Seriously imagine plastering people with the term noob, you'll never be able to get rid of it, its stuck with you forever because other players said so.

Worst idea I've heard of, if thats how it worked then sports would be decided who was better at the game, not by the score.

Sorry but not everything in life is rainbows and unicorns. When discussing sbmm you have to discuss noobs because noobs take up most of the population and are the reason sbmm even exist. Boohoo cry abt it.. does this make me a noobist? or something LOL

Games arent sports? Second you make zero sense , pretty sure the better score is the one who was better at the game buddy xDDD

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

How about we don't do that, if there's one thing worse then having skilled based leagues, its insulting players by calling them noobs. Seriously imagine plastering people with the term noob, you'll never be able to get rid of it, its stuck with you forever because other players said so.

Worst idea I've heard of, if thats how it worked then sports would be decided who was better at the game, not by the score.

Sorry but not everything in life is rainbows and unicorns. When discussing sbmm you have to discuss noobs because noobs take up most of the population and are the reason sbmm even exist. Boohoo cry abt it.. does this make me a noobist? or something LOL

No it makes you a tryhard rager, your the type of person who would kill low ranking players then get toppled by better people in fair matches because your used to only crushing bad people and not playing on the equal battlefield you preach.

Or to put in the best words other have. This is literally a skill issue, the skill issue of you not being able to go toe to toe of those in your bracket, only being used to crushing people who are new. I get it, pubstomping is fun but having to actually try at a game is total hell ain't it.

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Simple solution as stated is to split into three divisions
Noobs
Average
Pros
Separate these people and remove sbmm. Then let random lobbies sort it out.

Other than that if you think good players shouldnt have high k/ds and bad players have low k/ds then your the bot with a low k.d and cant handle being below average. Get off pvp and dont improve because you cant handle being worse than everyone else.

How about we don't do that, if there's one thing worse then having skilled based leagues, its insulting players by calling them noobs. Seriously imagine plastering people with the term noob, you'll never be able to get rid of it, its stuck with you forever because other players said so.

Worst idea I've heard of, if thats how it worked then sports would be decided who was better at the game, not by the score.

Games arent sports? Second you make zero sense , pretty sure the better score is the one who was better at the game buddy xDDD

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Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

? the better and more skilled I get will still lead me to playing just as skilled players leading to all the same problems ive stated.

Please stop trolling, find something more useful to do with yourself. THANKS!!!!!!

I mean am I wrong? It quite literally IS a skill issue.

I really don't get the point you are even trying to make. You don't like it that playing a game at a higher-level matches you into lobbies with other higher-level people where you are challenged? It should feel BETTER to overcome other skilled players instead of running around effortlessly slaughtering new players like Anakin in the jedi temple.

If you really want to decimate newbs you could always make a smurf account.

You are so small minded. How can it be a skill issue because I dont like sbmm yet in most games I am one of the highest rank in the game? Pick a game you play guarentee ive played it and im better than you at it.. but its a skill issue because im upset about a system that caters to noobs and us good players have to struggle. Its not being challenged its the fact that I am forced to die as much as kill.

You dont understand...unless you are getting better everytime you play..which after a year or two you kinda really cap dont you?

And with sbmm when you "cap" you reach a point where everyone you play is just as good as you aka SBMM. Then you will die just as much as kill. There is no more challenge. You arent getting better but you must die as much as kill. This is what sbmm does. It makes every match extremely average. You wont every have a great game and get 15 kills because everyone else is just as good.

It isnt a skill issue..its a preference issue. Nobody wants to be really good at a game to have the EXACT same experience as a noob.

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Sorry but not everything in life is rainbows and unicorns. When discussing sbmm you have to discuss noobs because noobs take up most of the population and are the reason sbmm even exist. Boohoo cry abt it.. does this make me a noobist? or something LOL

No it makes you a tryhard rager, your the type of person who would kill low ranking players then get toppled by better people in fair matches because your used to only crushing bad people and not playing on the equal battlefield you preach.

Or to put in the best words other have. This is literally a skill issue, the skill issue of you not being able to go toe to toe of those in your bracket, only being used to crushing people who are new. I get it, pubstomping is fun but having to actually try at a game is total hell ain't it.

Yet im the highest rank below the pro rank is most games I play with sbmm. Lmfao you dont even know me. I want to encounter completely random players. And if im better then them I win, if im worse I die. Just because I want randoms ,you act like theres not other good players out there. And noobs can easily get matched against all noobs just as much.

The problem is you dont want to be trash and get crapped on.. you need to play horrible people as well to counter you going 1/10 bc ur so bad everytime lolol

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

The actual lack of OP's typing skill means he's not actually as skilled as he claims, oh boy a keyboard warrior who likes to crywolf. Bailing lads, you have fun with this one.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

No it makes you a tryhard rager, your the type of person who would kill low ranking players then get toppled by better people in fair matches because your used to only crushing bad people and not playing on the equal battlefield you preach.

Or to put in the best words other have. This is literally a skill issue, the skill issue of you not being able to go toe to toe of those in your bracket, only being used to crushing people who are new. I get it, pubstomping is fun but having to actually try at a game is total hell ain't it.

Yet im the highest rank below the pro rank is most games I play with sbmm. Lmfao you dont even know me. I want to encounter completely random players. And if im better then them I win, if im worse I die. Just because I want randoms ,you act like theres not other good players out there. And noobs can easily get matched against all noobs just as much.

The problem is you dont want to be trash and get crapped on.. you need to play horrible people as well to counter you going 1/10 bc ur so bad everytime lolol

I love it when people imagine themselves as high ranks. Next you'll tell me your in a good Esports team and your known by tons of people. Hell I bet you got so many sponsors to bro.

Bro the most time in a game you have is Starbound which has no multiplayer fanbase, your second one is Halo which is known to be full of people who are about as skilled as COD players. I would go on but your time in other games tells me all I need to know, that your not a skilled person, your here to complain in off topic as if its a skill issue, when in reality you just suck at PvP games.

...Which is really telling by what you play lol.

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Yet im the highest rank below the pro rank is most games I play with sbmm. Lmfao you dont even know me. I want to encounter completely random players. And if im better then them I win, if im worse I die. Just because I want randoms ,you act like theres not other good players out there. And noobs can easily get matched against all noobs just as much.

The problem is you dont want to be trash and get crapped on.. you need to play horrible people as well to counter you going 1/10 bc ur so bad everytime lolol

I love it when people imagine themselves as high ranks. Next you'll tell me your in a good Esports team and your known by tons of people. Hell I bet you got so many sponsors to bro.

Bro the most time in a game you have is Starbound which has no multiplayer fanbase, your second one is Halo which is known to be full of people who are about as skilled as COD players. I would go on but your time in other games tells me all I need to know, that your not a skilled person, your here to complain in off topic as if its a skill issue, when in reality you just suck at PvP games.

...Which is really telling by what you play lol.

Lmao you judging me based on steam while most pvp games are not on steam.

GC in rocket league. Win rate on fortnite is 20-60% across the board career. I used to play old gamebattles back in the day when that was the road to MLG. Never bothered to go to lans but had top teams on gamebattles. Halo infinite I was very good at but its buns. Destiny I flawless trial of osiris every week and had a 2.0 k/d in pvp.

When I used to play cods I was about 1.75kd every game.

Sure I can find some other pvp games I played but nuff said yet?

Im not coming here to be a pro but do I usually end up in top 5 % of playerbased. Yes.

And this is why its hard for "noobs" to understand why sbmm sucks so bad. As if random lobbies would change anything as most players arent great.

[ImSoCool599]

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Първоначално публикувано от Mischievous Sly Succubus:

I love it when people imagine themselves as high ranks. Next you'll tell me your in a good Esports team and your known by tons of people. Hell I bet you got so many sponsors to bro.

Bro the most time in a game you have is Starbound which has no multiplayer fanbase, your second one is Halo which is known to be full of people who are about as skilled as COD players. I would go on but your time in other games tells me all I need to know, that your not a skilled person, your here to complain in off topic as if its a skill issue, when in reality you just suck at PvP games.

...Which is really telling by what you play lol.

Lmao you judging me based on steam while most pvp games are not on steam.

GC in rocket league. Win rate on fortnite is 20-60% across the board career. I used to play old gamebattles back in the day when that was the road to MLG. Never bothered to go to lans but had top teams on gamebattles. Halo infinite I was very good at but its buns. Destiny I flawless trial of osiris every week and had a 2.0 k/d in pvp.

When I used to play cods I was about 1.75kd every game.

Sure I can find some other pvp games I played but nuff said yet?

Freelo youll lose against me in all games mentioned

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от ImSoCool599:

Първоначално публикувано от Flaak:

Lmao you judging me based on steam while most pvp games are not on steam.

GC in rocket league. Win rate on fortnite is 20-60% across the board career. I used to play old gamebattles back in the day when that was the road to MLG. Never bothered to go to lans but had top teams on gamebattles. Halo infinite I was very good at but its buns. Destiny I flawless trial of osiris every week and had a 2.0 k/d in pvp.

When I used to play cods I was about 1.75kd every game.

Sure I can find some other pvp games I played but nuff said yet?

Freelo youll lose against me in all games mentioned

RiggedMMRSystem hmu on rocket league boy.

[Xero_Daxter]

OP is probably a JV as a Senior. Just saying….

[Flaak]

Първоначално публикувано от Xero_Daxter:

OP is probably a JV as a Senior. Just saying….

Wonder how old you are. High school age by any chance? Not everyone here is 13 brother.

[Basho]

i dont mind skill based match making in theory, but where i do have an issue is with the fact that it works best with an infinite pool of players to pick from.

as such, it can kill a game with too small playerbase, such as what killed APB:Reloaded for me.
by the end of me playing it, i got consistently put into nearly empty lobbies, having to fight the same handful (at best) players over and over, or otherwise just do uncontested missions when they got matched up with someone else of the handful present.

adding to this, the skill ceiling for matchups meant i essentially got put in a pool of "above average" with no upper limit above that, kinda like if you capped boxing weight classes at middleweight and then threw the heavyweights in there as well.
(meaning i more often got stomped rather than having a challenging but fair fight.)

so in theory i dont mind it, and i even see merit in it so newbies can ease into the game and let casuals have an enjoyable experience.
but in practice there can often be issues with it.
my issue is not that it wont let me faceroll nubs in peace however.

personally, i enjoy games that put less emphasis on player skill so that "420noscope" isnt even a factor.
im thinking games like Planetside and Foxhole, to name a couple, where strategy and positioning is more important than twitch reaction and the battlefield is relatively fair with easy respawning, and a newbie can make almost as much difference as a veteran right away by their mere presence.
and these days it is about the only level of PVP i can find any enjoyment in at all.

but APB:Reloaded also had an interesting feature before the implementation of separating players by rank, where lower ranked players would get additional players added to their team if paired with higher level opponents.
so you could end up with 14 vs 4 battles, essentially dragging large portions of the lobby into the same fight if it dragged on long enough.
that was actually really fun from both perspectives, though sometimes gear difference made it unfair still.

[Candyy]

I only see skill issue 🤷‍♀️

Times have changed...

Ppl want to play against ppl of similar skill level... And that type of matchmaking is awesome Becuase of that... V: