if we achieved biological immortality.. how would we adress death?

[Dutchgamer1982]

say we invent nanites that can do 3 things.

1 they repair your failing stemcells so their number and potency never reduces and thus your body never ages.

2 they detect and repair any cancercel so cancer excist no longer.

3 they detect and destroy virusses/bacteria that harm our body.. so sickness is a thing of yhe past.

however you still have 3 failing things

1 you can still suffer trauma.. so a shot in the head or a large enough bleeding wound can still kill you.

2 the repair has limits while your healing capacity stays as it was at its peak like when you were a child.. it does not heal scarring or replace lost teeth or limbs.

3 your brain will give eventually out.
-braincells are not replaced, as you loose more over the centuries eventually all will suffer alsheimer like symptoms.

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now how would this impact society?

and would you want the nanites to get this deal?

[brain stew]

I'm of the assumption that by the point of reaching such technologies, which could potentially conquer death, other discoveries and technologies would have been made to mitigate the current foreseeable issues.

[Morkonan]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

say we invent nanites that can do 3 things.

...
3 your brain will give eventually out.
-braincells are not replaced, as you loose more over the centuries eventually all will suffer alsheimer like symptoms.
..

Well, if they can do all that, they can figure out appropriate, therapeutic, neurogensis.

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/public-education/brain-basics/brain-basics-life-and-death-neuron

In that case...

if we achieved biological immortality.. how would we adress death?

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/ennui

Science-Fiction is great for thought problems like this. In Neil Asher's books dealing with his fictional society, the "Polity," the human lifespan is basically... for as long as they want to live. And, humans can choose everything to being "uploaded" to either a simulation of their choosing or any sort of physical body, like an android, regrown original body, or even that of a space-ship or combination of human/AI sort of existence, with massively upgraded intelligence/processing capability.

His sort of inescapable hurdle that humans face after living around 200 years so so, more or less, is "ennui" which is simply... boredom. Boredom with their experiences. And, what do such humans do? They engage in risky behavior, becoming thrill-seekers or even just doing "something they haven't done before, no matter how weird that "something" is.

But, forever life doesn't have to mean one's view of death has to change. If one subverts it, avoids it, conquers it... "it" is still it.

Edit:Add - In terms of "society," aside from the above:

If humans still seek to achieve and better themselves and others by seeking occupations, jobs, etc, one issue that often comes up is that those already in such positions may bar entry. Another is of the fear of "stagnation" where people occupy positions of power for long periods of time and end up stymieing growth and progress. If one is a "Director" of some organization for 200 years, one will have developed a very large power-base of associations and notoriety that is difficult to defeat.

Asher avoids this in The Polity books by creating a society that is largely controlled by... A.I. Humans matter, but only so much as the supposedly "benevolent A.I." allows them to... supposedly. :)

[Chesmu]

Baron Twirly von Moustache eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm of the assumption that by the point of reaching such technologies, which could potentially conquer death, other discoveries and technologies would have been made to mitigate the current foreseeable issues.

Who knows maybe we already reached it. You never know what government is hiding under their bed.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Chesmu eredeti hozzászólása:

Baron Twirly von Moustache eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm of the assumption that by the point of reaching such technologies, which could potentially conquer death, other discoveries and technologies would have been made to mitigate the current foreseeable issues.

Who knows maybe we already reached it. You never know what government is hiding under their bed.

and you though you were joking when you called those people in politics fossils;)

[76561199630340353]

L1qu1dator eredeti hozzászólása:

It would only be accessible to the super rich, so there wouldn't be much impact on society.

i assume we already at that stage, we never seen any high profile person sudden passing if ordinary people get suddenly into some sort of thing like that never happens to the rich and powerfull.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

i mean futurama basically displayed how they dealt with it, Professor Farnsworth in that series is already 150 years old and not even close to death, across all of the human cities are those death booths.

So..uh...if it comes down to it, it seems basically we can pay 25 cents to finally go to grave.

[Daenoxiis]

I like how this is purposed, because it makes people realize that immortality does not necessarily mean eternal youth. You won't die, but you won't be forever young, either. Effectively, making immortality feel more like a Cernunnos kind of a curse.

It means that maintenance will still be required and therefore responsibility for upkeep for immortality cannot be avoided if indeed immortality could be biologically achieved.

Because your organs are still going to rot. Your body is still going to naturally decay. We just have ways to counter it and/or slow the process instead.

So it's at least more realistic than your typical novella fantasy of it.

[Voroff]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

issues that would arrise :

1 possible overpopulation due nobody dying of old age.

Stop procreating more than two children, go explore space because immortal being now. I'm the capitain of a ship with passenger capacity of 2 billions, who's with me to proxima centory and back ? A lot of art and cultural gimmicks would have the time to appear in the meanwhile.

[nohuman]

heh the size of the ego of a mortal human would be dwarfed by the cosmic gargantuan sized ego an immortal human would have.
It's all over if it happens imo.

[Acetyl]

EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§ eredeti hozzászólása:

heh the size of the ego of a mortal human would be dwarfed by the cosmic gargantuan sized ego an immortal human would have.
It's all over if it happens imo.

The human concept seems to be broken by design. After we create synthetic life I think our role in the script is done, we're not needed anymore. Mind you that's just one of many possibilities and suspicions.

[nohuman]

Acetyl eredeti hozzászólása:

EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§ eredeti hozzászólása:

heh the size of the ego of a mortal human would be dwarfed by the cosmic gargantuan sized ego an immortal human would have.
It's all over if it happens imo.

The human concept seems to be broken by design. After we create synthetic life I think our role in the script is done, we're not needed anymore. Mind you that's just one of many possibilities and suspicions.

Maybe, maybe not. There is no reason that synthetic life should stay here. Earth is the only perfect thing in the universe but that's only for us.

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

These questions are for mortals.

[ImSoCool599]

/gamemode creative

[Dutchgamer1982]

Voroff eredeti hozzászólása:

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

issues that would arrise :

1 possible overpopulation due nobody dying of old age.

Stop procreating more than two children, go explore space because immortal being now. I'm the capitain of a ship with passenger capacity of 2 billions, who's with me to proxima centory and back ? A lot of art and cultural gimmicks would have the time to appear in the meanwhile.

say we excellerate our ship with solarsails to 1/10th the speed of light.
we take 6 months accelerating to that speed and 6 months decellerating.
that will mean that trip will take about 45 years.

but there is MUCH risk involved.
-first there is the hard radiation outside the magnetic shielding our heliosphere provides...
ok the cancer that causes will be cured by our nanites.. but there still is such a thing as a lethal dose all at once... that can hit us out there.

but if we overcome that... than there is the much higher risk on injury in such an enviroment.
not just the tasks aboard the ship..

space is not empty... and at 1/10th the speed of light even an 10 milligram spec of dust with an size of 0.5 millimeter will hit with nearly 20kJ of force....

thats basicly a bullet going straight trough the ship.. (and all passengers)...

it be far less risky to stay at home avoiding all risk;)