Is American Education System a failure?

[Getmegreek]

Share your personal school experience

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Ulfrinn a écrit :

Yavin Coyote a écrit :

The whole country is demonstrating to be a failure with all the human rights that has been revoked. The USA is becoming Christian's Saudi Arabia but more racist

No human rights have been revoked.

Most of them were never really granted in the first place. Privacy and protection from discrimination, for example.

[Ulfrinn]

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Ulfrinn a écrit :

No human rights have been revoked.

Most of them were never really granted in the first place. Privacy and protection from discrimination, for example.

Equal protection under the law is part of the 14th amendment. Been there for over 150 years. Which privacy are you talking about? The US has a constitutional right against illegal search and seizure, which was trampled on for the Patriot Act, but that mostly just put the US on par with Europe by that point.

[Dom]

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Ulfrinn a écrit :

No human rights have been revoked.

Most of them were never really granted in the first place. Privacy and protection from discrimination, for example.

I'd like to add to this discussion that American society/philosophy doesn't believe that rights are "granted", they believe in natural rights. Meaning you already have them when you're born and you're not granted them.

The philosophy is very different from the European one where rights are seen as something that are granted.

[permanent name]

Dom a écrit :

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Most of them were never really granted in the first place. Privacy and protection from discrimination, for example.

I'd like to add to this discussion that American society/philosophy doesn't believe that rights are "granted", they believe in natural rights. Meaning you already have them when you're born and you're not granted them.

The philosophy is very different from the European one where rights are seen as something that are granted.

The constitution states a belief in a handful of nebulous concepts, then legally ratifies 10 specific cases or so as granted. And it enforces those granted ones so poorly that the 'spiritual' belief is questionable at best.

You may as well say everyone in Japan thinks you can cut a bullet train in half if you're good enough and have the right sword. It's a marginal belief held only by a few, presumably people who can actually do it.

[Triple G]

Dom a écrit :

The philosophy is very different from the European one where rights are seen as something that are granted.

Usually in any country which is about laws, it´s rather simple: everything which isn´t especially forbidden is allowed. Hence loopholes and the need for lawyers to detect these...

[Dom]

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Dom a écrit :

I'd like to add to this discussion that American society/philosophy doesn't believe that rights are "granted", they believe in natural rights. Meaning you already have them when you're born and you're not granted them.

The philosophy is very different from the European one where rights are seen as something that are granted.

The constitution states a belief in a handful of nebulous concepts, then legally ratifies 10 specific cases or so as granted. And it enforces those granted ones so poorly that the 'spiritual' belief is questionable at best.

You may as well say everyone in Japan thinks you can cut a bullet train in half if you're good enough and have the right sword. It's a marginal belief held only by a few, presumably people who can actually do it.

Constitution sets the basis for so-called "natural" rights, what their contents are, and then whatever legislation is next to it, is there to support those natural rights (or should be). But a lot of it is up for interpretation indeed. Taking for instance the pursuit of happiness, which is often referred to. What is happiness? What does pursuit of happiness even mean? How is this right enforced and made possible? Much of it is quite subjective and those are simply guidelines for the legislators; as in when you create new laws, you need to take pursuit of happiness and the general well-being into account.

[permanent name]

Dom a écrit :

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The constitution states a belief in a handful of nebulous concepts, then legally ratifies 10 specific cases or so as granted. And it enforces those granted ones so poorly that the 'spiritual' belief is questionable at best.

You may as well say everyone in Japan thinks you can cut a bullet train in half if you're good enough and have the right sword. It's a marginal belief held only by a few, presumably people who can actually do it.

Constitution sets the basis for so-called "natural" rights, what their contents are, and then whatever legislation is next to it, is there to support those natural rights (or should be). But a lot of it is up for interpretation indeed. Taking for instance the pursuit of happiness, which is often referred to. What is happiness? What does pursuit of happiness even mean? How is this right enforced and made possible? Much of it is quite subjective and those are simply guidelines for the legislators; as in when you create new laws, you need to take pursuit of happiness and the general well-being into account.

no I mostly just need to take into account the elaborate set of precedent designed to take happiness out of the equation, specifically because it's too hard to define.

furthermore it only guarantees the pursuit; your health and ability is rather infamously not considered necessary.

finally judges can be given guidelines and enforce rules based on them, but the fact is judges get to decide what they want as if they were the king cowboys at the rodeo, and supreme court nominations reflect that reality.

[Ulfrinn]

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Dom a écrit :

I'd like to add to this discussion that American society/philosophy doesn't believe that rights are "granted", they believe in natural rights. Meaning you already have them when you're born and you're not granted them.

The philosophy is very different from the European one where rights are seen as something that are granted.

The constitution states a belief in a handful of nebulous concepts, then legally ratifies 10 specific cases or so as granted. And it enforces those granted ones so poorly that the 'spiritual' belief is questionable at best.

You may as well say everyone in Japan thinks you can cut a bullet train in half if you're good enough and have the right sword. It's a marginal belief held only by a few, presumably people who can actually do it.

You probably cannot name a right granted to a citizen by the constitution. The constitution limits what government can do. The writers of the constitution made it so to give extra protection to specific ones.

[Chesmu]

Raelic a écrit :

I think there's a problem with availability of extra curricular for children that have parents that can't make the time.

Yeah it's the Smartphones causing it.

[Voroff]

It's not a faillure, working as intended. If there was any real motivation or incentive at the govenemental level, they'd took the french textbooks, translate them, diffuse them on pdf format to all schools asking them to forward to the ipads of the students, and be done with it. Only invalid is history classes, but anyway, "america and history", well, let's NOT talk about it will we ? :) You just dont have enought castles.

A FRACTION of oil revenues or just 4 live exercises less per years for the army (have you seen the cost of any big scale exercice ? Or the cost of prototyping a new rocket or armor ?) could easily finance a real reform in the education.


But the education is already swimming in special funds, the kind that are absolutely innimaginable on french territory.
No contract or subcontract with any agro-industrial to promote whatever coke. No contract with costly specialized food program sponsored by some agro-industrial thing. The local sports evens are not sponsored by anything but goodwill and the availability of city-owned stadiums, wich is what they are made for as well as where the high-schoolers have them sport classes. Of course, zero special fund to teach weird theories, be it gender equality, black critical history or bible. Yep, we do not salute a flag, nor while being a traditionnal chrisitian country, frane does not need to teach the bible or creationnism in classes - so no funds from that too.




As in the other topic about the tipping culture, where i'm wondering HOW the US food is so costly in restaurants when it have ALL the reasons in the world of being one of the cheapest, now i'm wondering how, just HOW the US education system can fail so much while being financed from everywhere but the state almost, and have the experience, knowledge, and textbooks of all other countries in the world, but by the dark gods - the US still fails sucessfully backwards.

It's so absurd it's an art in itself.

The creation of a twisted society with an extreme level of "oversaturation by news" and a deeply ingrained "cognitive dissonnance" (the kind of christians killing in the name of oil and propaganda, the kind of being full of themselves and considering palestinians* as sub-humans)

*replace by the ennemy of the day.

[Lora Grim]

The American education system is just a nationalist brainwashing machine coupled with a scam that puts people into a lifetime of financial debt.

But.. y'know... anything other than that would be communsim, or whatever, so can't have that. A sentiment which in itself is a result of the failure of their education system and pro-corpo brainwashing.

[Ulfrinn]

Voroff a écrit :

It's not a faillure, working as intended. If there was any real motivation or incentive at the govenemental level, they'd took the french textbooks, translate them, diffuse them on pdf format to all schools asking them to forward to the ipads of the students, and be done with it. Only invalid is history classes, but anyway, "america and history", well, let's NOT talk about it will we ? :) You just dont have enought castles.

A FRACTION of oil revenues or just 4 live exercises less per years for the army (have you seen the cost of any big scale exercice ? Or the cost of prototyping a new rocket or armor ?) could easily finance a real reform in the education.


But the education is already swimming in special funds, the kind that are absolutely innimaginable on french territory.
No contract or subcontract with any agro-industrial to promote whatever coke. No contract with costly specialized food program sponsored by some agro-industrial thing. The local sports evens are not sponsored by anything but goodwill and the availability of city-owned stadiums, wich is what they are made for as well as where the high-schoolers have them sport classes. Of course, zero special fund to teach weird theories, be it gender equality, black critical history or bible. Yep, we do not salute a flag, nor while being a traditionnal chrisitian country, frane does not need to teach the bible or creationnism in classes - so no funds from that too.




As in the other topic about the tipping culture, where i'm wondering HOW the US food is so costly in restaurants when it have ALL the reasons in the world of being one of the cheapest, now i'm wondering how, just HOW the US education system can fail so much while being financed from everywhere but the state almost, and have the experience, knowledge, and textbooks of all other countries in the world, but by the dark gods - the US still fails sucessfully backwards.

It's so absurd it's an art in itself.

The creation of a twisted society with an extreme level of "oversaturation by news" and a deeply ingrained "cognitive dissonnance" (the kind of christians killing in the name of oil and propaganda, the kind of being full of themselves and considering palestinians* as sub-humans)

*replace by the ennemy of the day.

It's not an issue of finances, it's an issue of accountability. The more money given to schools, the worse the problem gets because the underlying issue is the people running them. Case in point, $250K was given to an elementary school in San Fransisco to improve the education of students. The people in charge of that school blew it all on a program to teach kindergarten students about police and white privilege.

Has the people responsible for that gross misuse of funds been fired? From all information I can find. No. One teacher has been fired from the school though for questioning it. So we see what is very clearly a purge of people in the education system along ideological lines, leaving behind the kind of people who would waste $250K taxpayer dollars on such a ridiculous program. What's giving more money to education going to fix when this is the type of problem we're seeing more and more nation wide?

[Shodan]

I love it when people act like only America can have bad schools, like only Americans can be stupid, uneducated, ignorant, crazy, violent and so on and so on. What an absolute joke. I live in a failure of a country full of idiots that doesn't have absolutely anything of value at all, yet they act like they're the smartest people in the world and constantly mention this "dumb Americans" thing since forever.

Recently, there was a promise of "robotaxis", the first in the world even (despite America already having it way sooner and not only that, but even flying taxis now) and the EU gave them 179,5 million for the project. It was not delayed with no updates whatsoever over the years and today I found out that they're just buying existing technology from Israel.

Yeah, that's what my country is like and it was obvious from a mile away that it would be yet another case of nonsense, lies and corruption. It's a corrupt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ where nothing ever gets done and nothing ever works, most people are stupid and incompetent for everything (except corruption, they're good at that, but not too much), most people are nearly illiterate and completely clueless about nearly everything, including the vast majority of "professionals" in all fields, yet, of course, we're super smart and educated people, only Americans are dumb, except they've always been decades ahead of us on so many levels.

Anyway, as for school, I could spend all night writing an entire essay about my experiences there. Let's just say I had plenty of complete lunatics as teachers, to which everyone would say that's just an exaggeration like all kids at school like to exaggerate about, but one day at high school, we got a substitute psychology teacher all of a sudden. Turns out, the lunatic finally ended up in a nuthouse where she should've been ages ago. As for the others, I'm quoting, "I WILL BURN DOWN THIS BUILDING AND WE WILL ALL GO" while smashing drawers in her desk with her high heels, screaming at kids and so on. First she was talking and laughing about how she was drunk and damaged her car at a parking lot, how her cats are cute and so on, then went completely insane like that, screaming things like "THE PRINCIPAL WILL KILL ME, WE'RE SO BEHIND SCHEDULE", then throwing a guy's notebook in his face and screaming at him and so on and so on.

Again, I could go on all night. Even the ones that weren't complete lunatics were insanely arrogant, clueless, useless and insufferable wannabe fascist dictators because no one except for kids would see them as some kind of authority anyway, so they take it out on kids simply because they can. My English teacher had no idea that collective nouns "as in, Apple have created the iPhone, referring to (plural) people and not the (singular) company" and said that the book we had was wrong. Yet, she intentionally gave me lower grades than I deserved simply because she couldn't stand the fact that I knew more than she did despite her having over 5 years of university education just to be a (bad) English teacher at high school.

Once again, I could go on all night.

[Acetyl]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

Yavin Coyote a écrit :

The whole country is demonstrating to be a failure with all the human rights that has been revoked. The USA is becoming Christian's Saudi Arabia but more racist

No human rights have been revoked.

Yep. This is an important comprehension. Most of the covert and normalized "maim and drain" brutality humans are routinely subjected to is both ancient and perfectly legal, despite being basically amoral (and evil).

[Acetyl]

Also evil is live backwards.
devil is lived backwards.