“Weed isn’t a drug” debate

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Change my mind

In my personal opinion it is a drug, it influences you, changes you, and ultimately keeps you addicted to it.

Anyone who wants to chime in on either side of this debate can do so just keep it civil.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Chesmu:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

Stay away from LSD if you aren't prepared for it. With good marijuana, you'll become one with the couch and have the best time staring at the microwave waiting for popcorn to pop.

Paranoia is way more dangerous than hallucination and loss of control tho. That's a bad side effect there, probably why still people talk against it. But the real issue is probably lack of control they have on the dosage and usage.

Not really, you'll have a bad time but it will be over when the effect subsides. If you have a bad trip on hallucinogens you can become paranoid on top of hallucinating and not knowing what is what, and you could do actually dangerous things.

Why people talk against it is mainly the stigma and fear of what they don't know if you ask me. Alcohol can be pretty bad all things considered, but it is "normal" so nobody cares.

[Krypto]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Midori:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

Anything can be addictive. Video games, as harmless as they are, can be addictive. But video games don't cause you to murder your family unless you already have something seriously wrong inside your head. Otherwise, they're fine. Marijuana is the same way. While it's true you can have heightened thoughts while high, if they get that dark, the drug is only accentuating those thoughts, not being the cause of them.

Addiction is never a joke, no matter what it is, but I take massive issue with people (not you, just in general) who claim something without REALLY knowing the truth behind it. The idea being "it's a drug, so it's addictive." No, that's not how it really works.

Chemical sweats are a hard substance basically bleeding out of your body. You sweat, quite literally, everywhere. It's a side effect of use, but also a side effect of withdrawal because you still WANT the effect again, even though you're basically swimming in your own sweat.

For sure, that's pretty much the long and short of it. The only difference is, those things require you really like the activity, so it's harder, but still possible, to get hooked. To get hooked on hard drugs/nicotine, all you need to do is have a brain that loves pleasurable chemicals. (which means everyone is susceptible)

It isn't a joke and that's mainly why I replied to your post - it doesn't have to be a substance for the withdrawals and experience of addiction to be absolutely life-crushing. Yep you're right.

"It's a drug so it's addictive"
"It's not a drug so it's not addictive"

Both of these extremes are silly. And oof I see. Chemical sweats sound unpleasant. But honestly, not too different from what I experienced.

I don't even think you need to like video games to be addicted to them, same with many other forms of entertainment. Take WoW, for example. I know people who hate the game, but continue to play it for one reason or another. How about gym rats? They're addicted to the results, but hate the act of weight lifting. Gamblers? They're addicted to winning, but when they lose, they convince themselves "the next hand will be a winner."

Addiction comes in many, many different forms, but so many people see it as black or white. If it isn't a drug, it isn't addictive. Uh huh. Tell that to men who spend thousands on ♥♥♥ escorts. They're quite addicted to getting their rocks off with a beautiful woman.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

Addiction comes in many, many different forms, but so many people see it as black or white. If it isn't a drug, it isn't addictive. Uh huh. Tell that to men who spend thousands on ♥♥♥ escorts. They're quite addicted to getting their rocks off with a beautiful woman.

We had that in another topic some while ago.

Consensus was that there´s no addiction, as that is nothing the psychologists would say, but there´s either substance abuse or OCD.

So in video games You wouldn´t use a substance - it´s OCD, and when being an alcoholic it would be substance abuse.

It´s about dopamine after all, while there the thing is also, that it doesn´t necessarily apply when taking a certain drug, or doing a certain thing - but in anticipation of it.

[Krypto]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Midori:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

I don't even think you need to like video games to be addicted to them, same with many other forms of entertainment. Take WoW, for example. I know people who hate the game, but continue to play it for one reason or another. How about gym rats? They're addicted to the results, but hate the act of weight lifting. Gamblers? They're addicted to winning, but when they lose, they convince themselves "the next hand will be a winner."

Addiction comes in many, many different forms, but so many people see it as black or white. If it isn't a drug, it isn't addictive. Uh huh. Tell that to men who spend thousands on ♥♥♥ escorts. They're quite addicted to getting their rocks off with a beautiful woman.

That's true, and that tends to be because "like" turns into past tense the very moment it becomes an addiction. You can absolutely hate something, resent it, know it's terrible for you and have zero reason to want to do it, only to relapse and do it a day later. "Liking" it has, in my experience I can only speak, nothing to do with it the very second it becomes an addiction. I guess you could say the act of relieving the withdrawal symptoms becomes the only part you "like" when addicted.

I wouldn't say it automatically becomes past tense when addiction sets in. You might be feeling really good. Once it starts to affect your life beyond just your health, then it's a problem and should be dealt with before you lose more than a few days of no showering.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Triple G:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

Addiction comes in many, many different forms, but so many people see it as black or white. If it isn't a drug, it isn't addictive. Uh huh. Tell that to men who spend thousands on ♥♥♥ escorts. They're quite addicted to getting their rocks off with a beautiful woman.

We had that in another topic some while ago.

Consensus was that there´s no addiction, as that is nothing the psychologists would say, but there´s either substance abuse or OCD.

So in video games You wouldn´t use a substance - it´s OCD, and when being an alcoholic it would be substance abuse.

It´s about dopamine after all, while there the thing is also, that it doesn´t necessarily apply when taking a certain drug, or doing a certain thing - but in anticipation of it.

OCD is... not exactly the same, but I can see some overlap there. I would say in its most basic form, it simply starts with wanting to repeat a pleasurable experience. And then the question is at what point it becomes useful to start calling it an addiction, or a problem.

[Krypto]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Minikin Cayuse:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Triple G:

We had that in another topic some while ago.

Consensus was that there´s no addiction, as that is nothing the psychologists would say, but there´s either substance abuse or OCD.

So in video games You wouldn´t use a substance - it´s OCD, and when being an alcoholic it would be substance abuse.

It´s about dopamine after all, while there the thing is also, that it doesn´t necessarily apply when taking a certain drug, or doing a certain thing - but in anticipation of it.

OCD is... not exactly the same, but I can see some overlap there. I would say in its most basic form, it simply starts with wanting to repeat a pleasurable experience. And then the question is at what point it becomes useful to start calling it an addiction, or a problem.

When you have 5 dollars to spend on food, but choose to buy more V Bucks in Fortnite.

[XSGames]

It's a drug. Period.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Minikin Cayuse:

OCD is... not exactly the same, but I can see some overlap there. I would say in its most basic form, it simply starts with wanting to repeat a pleasurable experience. And then the question is at what point it becomes useful to start calling it an addiction, or a problem.

When you have 5 dollars to spend on food, but choose to buy more V Bucks in Fortnite.

I can go hungry but that new Lewis Hamilton skin wont always be in the item shop.

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God put weed on the earth so we could enjoy. Take advantage man take advantage.

[Krypto]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ImSoCool599:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

When you have 5 dollars to spend on food, but choose to buy more V Bucks in Fortnite.

I can go hungry but that new Lewis Hamilton skin wont always be in the item shop.

If you print off an image of it, you can eat that. Not very nutritious, but...

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Minikin Cayuse:

OCD is... not exactly the same, but I can see some overlap there. I would say in its most basic form, it simply starts with wanting to repeat a pleasurable experience. And then the question is at what point it becomes useful to start calling it an addiction, or a problem.

When you have 5 dollars to spend on food, but choose to buy more V Bucks in Fortnite.

That would certainly seem like a problem, yes. But what if they have enough money and time? Some person in healthcare once told me that addiction is "when school or work are suffering because of it", which I think is ridiculous. That would mean that if I snort 3 grams of coke every day and still perform at work, I don't have a problem.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Minikin Cayuse:

OCD is... not exactly the same, but I can see some overlap there. I would say in its most basic form, it simply starts with wanting to repeat a pleasurable experience. And then the question is at what point it becomes useful to start calling it an addiction, or a problem.

It was done for the lack of other terms, as it´s like You said only about people who either have problems for themselves, or are a problem for others because of certain things.

Else nobody needs to go to a psychologist if You´re feeling well, and have no problem with certain behavior of Yourself. So "the point at which it becomes a problem" is usually up to the people, if we exclude certain things like "self-harm" at which some other people might intervene.

Like it would be bad if people would need to go to a psychologist only because they´re workaholics, and do as much work as possible, to forget about certain problems, or because they get they dopamine push through it - even if it harms themselves. That´s contradicting the general understanding of "hard working" people. And that work is good, no matter what, no? ;o)

[Krypto]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Minikin Cayuse:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Krypto:

When you have 5 dollars to spend on food, but choose to buy more V Bucks in Fortnite.

That would certainly seem like a problem, yes. But what if they have enough money and time? Some person in healthcare once told me that addiction is "when school or work are suffering because of it", which I think is ridiculous. That would mean that if I snort 3 grams of coke every day and still perform at work, I don't have a problem.

If you can perform at 100% while high off 3 grams of coke, you DEFINITELY have a problem.

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How many motherfers can say they brain dry-rotted from pot?
You got it like I got it or not?
If you did, you would know just what I'm talking bout
When your tongue's rotting out from cotton-mouth
When you end up becoming so dependent on weed
That you end up spending a G in the vending machine
You got the munchies, look at you, junk food junkie
Potato chips and lunch meat, up in the front seat

[Krypto]

Diposting pertama kali oleh For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge:

How many motherfers can say they brain dry-rotted from pot?
You got it like I got it or not?
If you did, you would know just what I'm talking bout
When your tongue's rotting out from cotton-mouth
When you end up becoming so dependent on weed
That you end up spending a G in the vending machine
You got the munchies, look at you, junk food junkie
Potato chips and lunch meat, up in the front seat

Mmm, cool ranch doritos after a joint.

I miss being 14.