“Weed isn’t a drug” debate

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Change my mind

In my personal opinion it is a drug, it influences you, changes you, and ultimately keeps you addicted to it.

Anyone who wants to chime in on either side of this debate can do so just keep it civil.

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Stranger eredeti hozzászólása:

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I am using the term "addiction" loosely. Addictions are really just (bad) habits so it's best to replace them with GOOD habits.

There's nothing inherently good about making oneself better. I think that's the flaw in your argument. We live in a context where making oneself better profits, but many are happier not profiting, and trying to give them blanket advice would be bad for EVERYONE.

"There's nothing inherently good about making oneself better" Lmao what? What kind of weird cope is this?

Dropping bad habits and picking up good ones IS inherently good. For literally anyone. They WILL be happier and their lives will improve.

[Krypto]

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Stranger eredeti hozzászólása:

There's nothing inherently good about making oneself better. I think that's the flaw in your argument. We live in a context where making oneself better profits, but many are happier not profiting, and trying to give them blanket advice would be bad for EVERYONE.

"There's nothing inherently good about making oneself better" Lmao what? What kind of weird cope is this?

Dropping bad habits and picking up good ones IS inherently good. For literally anyone. They WILL be happier and their lives will improve.

They're a troll and not very good at it.

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Krypto eredeti hozzászólása:

When I say "mental withdrawal" I'm specifically referring to a dependency that a drug with addictive properties can exhibit on your psyche. This is NOT possible with marijuana because it has no addictive chemicals in it, unlike alcohol or tobacco, meth or Adderall, as a few examples.

You are talking about *physical* addiction. Of course that has psychological effects as well, but those effects are not what is meant by mental addiction.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Yes cannabis is a drug and there is an addiction aspect to it with habitual use. So what?

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Krypto eredeti hozzászólása:

When I say "mental withdrawal" I'm specifically referring to a dependency that a drug with addictive properties can exhibit on your psyche. This is NOT possible with marijuana because it has no addictive chemicals in it, unlike alcohol or tobacco, meth or Adderall, as a few examples.

You are talking about *physical* addiction. Of course that has psychological effects as well, but those effects are not what is meant by mental addiction.

I already explained what mental addiction is when caused by a drug, as I have experienced it more than a couple times, and believe me, it was never because of weed.

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ImSoCool599 eredeti hozzászólása:

Helps you perform better in Fortnite, legalize it worldwide

I've noticed it will provide a temporary boost but essentially disable mechanical skill gains while in effect. You essentially never get past the 'rust clearing' stage, despite the performance boost.

I believe in raising ones minimums, as my skills will only ever be as good as my weakest moments imo. So the rust layer is helpful, keeps me from taking stylistic shortcuts that limit my overall potential.

Im curious on what you mean since I do not really understand. Are you saying that it does not help you get progressively better at the game, but simply helps you not be as bad as usual? I dont get the rust clearing stage analogy.

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Krypto eredeti hozzászólása:

nobody eredeti hozzászólása:

ive been addicted to weed going on 3 years now, without it i cannot function; i starve myself, get depressive episodes, mood swings, fatigue, etc. but when im on it i can function and do things with ease or happily do things i once deemed too hard. but its got pros and cons, its become my makeshift way to deal with mental illness but in turn it has cost a lot of money, i will suffer the consequences for my past actions and although i regret me becoming addicted to it, it may be the reason i am alive today or havent hurt myself too bad, who knows? all i know now is ive slowly stopped using it or it becoming a daily/hourly habit. only time will tell where my journey with addiction will lead...

You sure you're not smoking just weed? Cause it isn't addictive on its own.

It is addictive, I’ve seen close friends literally go from smoking every 5 minutes to quitting and then jumping back on, I’ve heard people literally say to one another if they didn’t smoke then they’d get a divorce, I’ve seen people tweak out from not doing it. This is literal life experience, once you know that side you know it to be true. If you never smoked or hung around those who do then yeah you’re gonna say some bs about how it’s not but it is.

[Pierce Dalton]

Of course it is, but then again, so is caffeine and other trivial stuff.

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Midnight eredeti hozzászólása:

Krypto eredeti hozzászólása:

You sure you're not smoking just weed? Cause it isn't addictive on its own.

It is addictive, I’ve seen close friends literally go from smoking every 5 minutes to quitting and then jumping back on, I’ve heard people literally say to one another if they didn’t smoke then they’d get a divorce, I’ve seen people tweak out from not doing it. This is literal life experience, once you know that side you know it to be true. If you never smoked or hung around those who do then yeah you’re gonna say some bs about how it’s not but it is.

People don't tweak from getting high on marijuana. I've smoked double blunts to the point where I could barely walk and have never tweaked or seen anyone tweak from that kind of high.

If they're tweaking, it isn't because of marijuana. Don't be silly.

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Majestic Turkey eredeti hozzászólása:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAnahZ4vIGc

Good video for a laugh.

This one is also good for a laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAaTp_WCREw

[Haruspex]

Weed is a drug.
Caffeine is a drug.
Alcohol is a drug.
Sugar is a drug.

It's not the drug that's a problem though, it's abuse and addiction. All good things in moderation, and if you're incapable of moderating then abstinence is probably the best option.

[Krypto]

Haruspex eredeti hozzászólása:

Weed is a drug.
Caffeine is a drug.
Alcohol is a drug.
Sugar is a drug.

It's not the drug that's a problem though, it's abuse and addiction. All good things in moderation, and if you're incapable of moderating then abstinence is probably the best option.

The difference is alcohol is actually addictive and you can become physically dependent on it.

AA exists for a reason. We don't have SA for "Sugar Anonymous" or CA for "Caffeine Anonymous" though there probably should be for how many people consume coffee like it's water.

[Krypto]

Midori eredeti hozzászólása:

Krypto eredeti hozzászólása:

When I say "mental withdrawal" I'm specifically referring to a dependency that a drug with addictive properties can exhibit on your psyche. This is NOT possible with marijuana because it has no addictive chemicals in it, unlike alcohol or tobacco, meth or Adderall, as a few examples.

Being "depressed" when the high of weed wears off is just you knowing the effect is gone and wanting to experience it again. That is not the same as your body shaking or your teeth grinding because your body NEEDS the chemicals to feel normal again. They are NOT the same thing, and no offense, but you don't know what you're talking about.

You're right, marijuana isn't chemically addictive like crap like tobacco is, but you shouldn't downplay behavioral addictions, granted they are far less likely to happen.

They do lead to very similar brain changes and feelings as chemical addictions. The key difference is that chemicals bruteforce the addiction into existence directly and efficiently, while behavioral addictions require the user to thoroughly enjoy the act and reinforce it over time.

But the final destination is the same: the creation of an uncontrollable, extremely intense and imaginary perception of irresistable "value" or "pleasure" towards a (usually low-effort) action or substance.

That is what primarily causes withdrawals. Not the drug or action itself. If you're experiencing withdrawals, the drug likely isn't in your body. So how can it be the drug affecting you? In reality it is your desire to re-experience something you felt was pleasurable that causes it. It doesn't have to be a chemical contained within a drug.

There's a massive difference between actual withdrawal and coming down off a high and wanting it again just because it felt good. True withdrawal is like you've been sent to Hell. A normal crash on marijuana doesn't cause your body to ache and spasm because it NEEDS the substance to feel normal and balanced again.

What you're describing is caused by heavier drugs like MDMA or meth, not marijuana, and again, the two substances aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of their effect on the mind or body.

A withdrawal is your mind and body not getting what it needs to function correctly (it's basically your fuel), which is why going through a withdrawal is like being sent through Hell. It has nothing to do with you wanting to experience the high again. Most people who go through withdrawal do so because they are trying to escape the hold a drug has had on them and their body is literally fighting their mind over it, leading to immense pain, sweating, teeth grinding, hallucinations, cramps, and a whole list of other nasty side effects.

This CANNOT be caused by marijuana and people who say so should shut the hell up. Marijuana can actually help with withdrawals because it's a high that doesn't exhibit the same effects and is known and proven to relax someone. Ever hung out with someone who is at the right high on marijuana? They're basically one with the couch and at extreme peace.

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Haruspex eredeti hozzászólása:

Weed is a drug.
Caffeine is a drug.
Alcohol is a drug.
Sugar is a drug.

It's not the drug that's a problem though, it's abuse and addiction. All good things in moderation, and if you're incapable of moderating then abstinence is probably the best option.

So why is alcohol legal still? It's effects are much worse when people go nuts