NATO membership

[Hobbit XIII]

I was looking at how popular Trump is and how much he likes spouting bs and how much the general American Trump supporter does not want to do any real research despite it all being there on many things.

So I conclude that America does not want to be a part of NATO and ok that is a big disappointment but this century is going to need stable alliances and America has not provided that with its political / corporate wars within itself and the crazy decisions made especially by Biden and Trump on opposing sides.

America is a democracy that regular states through its citizens that it does not like NATO, so I think it is about time America should be allowed to do its democratic right of self determination and just leave NATO.

NATO will then re-evaluate its defences and get rid of American bases from its lands because Americans don't want them in our countries and rest of NATO would not want the US soldiers there as they do not want to be there.

I also look back at what the NRA was saying in its speeches years ago and I thought why does it have to be so political and why does it have to keep attacking European countries in its speeches to people we have nothing to do with the NRA.
-Now when I was much younger I heard of an organisation in America called the NRA and I thought wow what a great idea a big club that promotes training and safety of weapons. Then I listened to them over time and havent wanted to listen to them for years now.
Sad thing is I hear the same kind of tone in Americans who dislike the rest of the world - especially Europe, United Kingdom of Great Britain and everybody in NATO.

Anyway as I was saying I am hearing a lot of American hate towards Europe and towards NATO and well you guys across the Atlantic you can just leave then.

Your a democratic country you all have the vote and the choice of your leaders and there is an awful lot of support for Trump and his anti NATO / anti Europe sentiment so please just leave and next time you want to ever tell any NATO or European country what to do remember to kindly just ♥♥♥♥ off instead.

Europe alone can sort Russia out if it sticks its boots over our borders.

[Voroff]

Цитата допису Dom:

Цитата допису Mischievous Sly Succubus:

You guys all know the only reason Trump said anything at all is because he's Putin's boyfriend and would literally snog him in bed if ordered to. Seriously he makes a comment about Ukraine and NATO in the same week and no one even blinked and noticed it was odd when Putin basically had his eyes on the US while licking his lips?

At this point, Trump does not care about anything we've said so far, he's only in this so Putin can get all that he wants, the dude may as well be named Vladimir Trump just to avoid all confusion.

The comments he has made about the US military & veterans and now encouraging Russia to invade US allies, should be something that makes him disqualified for vast majority of voters. Full stop.

Very treasonous speech, so I don't see how even the nationalists can support him.

I'm not sure if Trump knew that multiple swing states have a lot of people (voters) with family heritage going back to Eastern European countries. They may not be happy with those remarks.

Цитата допису Dom:

Very treasonous speech, so I don't see how even the nationalists can support him.

And now i'm sure you're a planted Glowie. You do you, "non american", care about Trumps being a "traitor" or ... whatnot ? And traitor to what ? To your hateful view on a world narrowed by your squewed CIA training ?

[WhiteKnight77]

Цитата допису Voroff:

Цитата допису WhiteKnight77:

You call satellite imagery of Saddam's scientists loading trucks at facilities that UN inspectors where held at one gate while those very trucks drove out another gate before those inspectors were let in fabricated?
(lots of words with green beret for some reason).

And that was considered enought to attack ... if the shoe was on the other feet, how willing would be america to comply with an examination of its secret defense things by a foreign nation ?
Well, after the attack all have seen that there were NO WMD after all, while before there was a real propaganda shebang about that.

Ok, now what is your point about green berets ? and i failed to notice any "evidence" for

Both countries were rearming Saddam Hussein while active UN sanctions were in place from 1991 to 2003.

There were WMD found in Iraq, and even Nancy Pelosi was informed of it while on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence[www.whiteknight77.net] before she became speaker. Old munitions are just as dangerous as new ones.

French connection armed Saddam[www.washingtontimes.com] shows that they did sell arms to Iraq during the sanction years.

The trouble nowadays is, many sites are stripping their old articles from the internet, though they may still be in the way back machine.

Also, as far as WMD goes, there was one bunker that was bombed during Desert Storm which had the illicit weapons and of which were never counted by UN inspectors, that were never destroyed, as others were. One thing about destroying WMDs is that it is verifiable. No where did anyone report that Iraq ever built the needed incinerators like we did[www.defensemedianetwork.com].

[Dutchgamer1982]

Цитата допису WhiteKnight77:

Цитата допису Dutchgamer1982:

I'm in netherlands.. I only care for netherlands interests.
russia won't be rolling tanks into amsterdam.
our royals and russia had good relations for over 200 years even during the cold war.
we have a trade relation going back 500 years...

even if russian tanks drive into the baltics (which they won't) they won't be driving into germany, france or netherlands... basicly the part of europe I care about..
putin may want to restore the borders of the former russian empire.. he has no ambitions to annex all of europe.

and usa has been assisinating legal leadership changes when the new regime is no longer friendly to them all the time.. so don't now act all holier than though.

ukraine was like white russia a russian puppet.. than it's people tried to make the nation no longer russia's puppet.. and than russia intervened as that would leave them without warm water port.
-> we see no signals that putin would be invading the baltics next of all that.. he wanted a new russian puppet as leader of ukraine, thats clear.
-morally I can agree that the people of a nation should have the freedom to set their own course.
-but I not want ukraine in nato or eu ever either I voted NO on that long ago.. and I certainly still be voting no on that.

Russia puts leader of NATO member Estonia on a wanted list over removal of Soviet-era monuments[abcnews.go.com] is not a sign of a healthy country who wants to be friends with people or countries. Since Putin has been in power, he as attacked and pushed into more countries that were part of the old Soviet Union. This started back in 2011 (which was the year a game was set in, as well as the area, weird how that fiction turned to fact) with South Ossetia in Georgia. Taking part of Ukraine in 2014 (Crimea) and now trying to take all of Ukraine, shows that he is still willing to put the USSR back together. Once one remembers that Putin is ex-KGB, one might understand what is going on in his mind.

That he put a leader of a former Soviet state on a wanted list shows how far off the deep end he has gone, and how he wants the Soviet's past to be relived, even if it was a failure of a system. This is something others may consider. One may want to look at why other countries want to be a part of NATO, they do not want to go back to the Soviet era.

while I get why those nations want to be part of nato and eu (to get protection and to get acces to my taxmoney)

I see no benefit to ME nor my nation there.
I see no need to expend nato even further and believe already to many have been added.

Albania, romania, and slovakia should not been added at the least.
nor would I want to come to the aid of those nations.

the only nation I would want to see added to nato is israel.. while turkey should have been kicked out decades ago. the addition of finland and sweden was fine with me

basicly we should have france, belgium, luxembourg, netherlands, germany, poland, chechia, austria, swiss, denmark, iceland, norway, denmark, finland, israel, japan, south korea, canada, uk, australia, new zealand and usa.

that should be nato with attack 1 of those all others come help.... for non of the rest I feel such urge..
all the rest is of no relevance.,

[Dutchgamer1982]

Цитата допису Rivers:

Цитата допису Dutchgamer1982:

this war is to further AMERICAN interests : america want europe of russian gas, NOT me
america also has become a neth exporter, so the higher gas prices due the war benefit THEIR trade balance, while they totally screw over ours.

You're very close to connecting the dots. Now all you have to do is find out what religion 40% of the most powerful USA politicians as well as President Zelensky belong to.

You also mentioned wanting Israel to join NATO, there is no need for that when they have their strings controlling America and Europe in other ways.

as a Christian I stand with Gods chosen people.

I don't like islam, but I don't stand for antisemitism!

true I do want that israel would allow messianic jews to become israeli.. especially those whoes parents suffered in the holocaust.. as well as allow the christian minority amongst the palastines to get israelic passports.
-> but I know those things will eventually come to pass as one profecy for the last days is that the mayority of the jews will become christians.

[Spencer]

Цитата допису Dom:

Цитата допису Mischievous Sly Succubus:

You guys all know the only reason Trump said anything at all is because he's Putin's boyfriend and would literally snog him in bed if ordered to. Seriously he makes a comment about Ukraine and NATO in the same week and no one even blinked and noticed it was odd when Putin basically had his eyes on the US while licking his lips?

At this point, Trump does not care about anything we've said so far, he's only in this so Putin can get all that he wants, the dude may as well be named Vladimir Trump just to avoid all confusion.

The comments he has made about the US military & veterans and now encouraging Russia to invade US allies, should be something that makes him disqualified for vast majority of voters. Full stop.

Very treasonous speech, so I don't see how even the nationalists can support him.

I'm not sure if Trump knew that multiple swing states have a lot of people (voters) with family heritage going back to Eastern European countries. They may not be happy with those remarks.

You have to always misinterpret things don't you.

He stated requirements to uphold your end of the bargain, demanding basic accountability in a defense alliance, you don't get to freeload, shocking I know.

You are not entitled to American lives, you don't speak for America, you aren't American so you have no standing to call anyone treasonous.

We are not under any obligation to help you if you won't even help yourselves.

And frankly if you think Americans are going to die for you again over your petty squabbles, you need a reality check.

The ones you would rely on now know you consider them the enemy, and they consider you one in return.

The others don't care about you at all.