Should men raise their dating standards to compete with women?

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Then we can live in a celibate society

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

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What's funny about mentioning the 50s.

It was much harder for a woman to get divorced from abusive relationships. To the point to where they couldn't get divorced without basically the husband's permission. As you've shown, that's exactly what you want though.

I also already showed you the crime rate. Hint, it's lower than it was in the 50s.

No I don't, and no it isn't. That's actually absurd to believe crime is lower. Guess the prisons are empty too. But if you do things like decriminalize walking out a store with a bag full of products and assaulting someone as long as the perpetrator is of a certain "complexion", of course it'll appear down. At least slightly, like divorce.

In any case this topic has been completely derailed and I don't enjoy debating other issues with someone for hours at a time. I know culture and relationships have been destroyed, and many other things have worsened along with that. We can just disagree, I'm fine with it and appreciate the replies.

[Yavin Shikanoko]

You should touch some grass and met people rather than being terminally online consuming ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ content

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

What's funny about mentioning the 50s.

It was much harder for a woman to get divorced from abusive relationships. To the point to where they couldn't get divorced without basically the husband's permission. As you've shown, that's exactly what you want though.

I also already showed you the crime rate. Hint, it's lower than it was in the 50s.

No I don't, and no it isn't. That's actually absurd to believe crime is lower. Guess the prisons are empty too. But if you do things like decriminalize walking out a store with a bag full of products and assaulting someone as long as the perpetrator is of a certain "complexion", of course it'll appear down. At least slightly, like divorce.

In any case this topic has been completely derailed and I don't enjoy debating other issues with someone for hours at a time. I know culture and relationships have been destroyed, and many other things have worsened along with that. We can just disagree, I'm fine with it and appreciate the replies.

What you 'know' isn't actually true. Just warped perception.

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

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What you 'know' isn't actually true. Just warped perception.

Well of course you think that because you trust completely in the spreadsheets you linked. Even though other spreadsheets also disprove what you're saying and show overall divorce and crime rates being higher. It just depends which spreadsheets you choose to look at.

As for crimes, you still have to factor in unreported crimes, unsolved crimes, the way crimes are reported, the way the stats are calculated, the trustworthiness of the institutions and agencies creating the stats (lol), and more. I don't trust mainstream news, I don't trust the gov't, I don't believe in the last election results being legitimate either, so you can just label me a tinfoil hat connoisseur for all I care.

Majority of young men being single and majority of women initiating divorces are also stats, but we won't worry about that. Not like they're relevant to this topic, or anything.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

What you 'know' isn't actually true. Just warped perception.

Well of course you think that because you trust completely in the spreadsheets you linked. Even though other spreadsheets also disprove what you're saying and show overall divorce and crime rates being higher. It just depends which spreadsheets you choose to look at.

As for crimes, you still have to factor in unreported crimes, unsolved crimes, the way crimes are reported, the way the stats are calculated, the trustworthiness of the institutions and agencies creating the stats (lol), and more. I don't trust mainstream news, I don't trust the gov't, I don't believe in the last election results being legitimate either, so you can just label me a tinfoil hat connoisseur for all I care.

Majority of young men being single and majority of women initiating divorces are also stats, but we won't worry about that. Not like they're relevant to this topic, or anything.

You're right.

It's all the lizard men causing women to hate men and want to get divorced.

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

It's all the lizard men causing women to hate men and want to get divorced.

Glad we can finally agree on something.

[Netaris]

Escrito originalmente por cat staccs:

That is such a dumb mentality. What I meant was first and foremost based on physical appearance, which matters the most in physical attraction. Your examples concern a minority of people in reality.

You totally don't understand what is attractive about the "bad boy" archetype btw. You really think most women who are into "bad boys" are into criminals from the mafia. Wow.

Everyone likes money but what is attractive is the social status that comes with it, not the money itself. Boring unattractive men with money are still boring unattractive men and when all you have to offer is money, of course you will attract those who are only interested in the lifestyle.

It is really the redpill self fulffilling prophecy where the men have this belief that they will get a woman with money and then get mad when they attract someone who is in it for the money. :D

Social status is the same as money, it's all about power. Muscles are power, money is power, influence is power and the "badboy" stuff it's the same, it's mental strengh, "nah, I don't want to follow your rules". What women like in men is power, a men with no power will be totally ignored by women, period. And again, the peak of men power, the time when they're still mostly in shape physically and with a social status high enough, is around 35-40 years old. Women on the other hand ? After 30 they start to struggle and after 40 they don't exist anymore, except if they were already married. I know a lot of guys at 40+ who still have a lot of success with women, the contrary is way more rare.

And that's exactly my point : mariage was made so women will not be dumped for younger ones. So seeing the feminists doing everything possible to destroy mariage when it was made for women to secure a guy for themselves ... Yeah, it make me laugh. The big winners of the "sexual liberation" aren't women, but the guys who sleep around the most, not wanting to engage themselves further. They're by far the biggest winners here and again, I see countless examples of that too. One of those is a friend of my family, never married, at 50+ he date a 30yo woman and he plan to change soon, again ... That's why it make me laugh, As soon as you're not too much out of shape and you have some charisma, that's fine enough, to surprising extents.

Anyway, the war in Ukraine was an eye opener for me, a normal society transforming into a giant meat grinder in mere years. The "problems" we have in the west are a joke, we forgot what real problems looks like. I see 20-25yo guys, being killed in trenches for politicians who don't care at all about their fate. In comparison to those poor guys, I feel very lucky that my country is still mostly at peace. And yeah, life is too short and uncertain to lose your time on stupid ideologies. You live only once and death can come way quicker than expected, so live fast and well, it may not last. That's why I don't care at all about all these things in "-ism". No matter your own "-ism", you'll die the same as the others anyway and it will not change anything important.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Oh hey, the "It's women's fault they won't look at me" topic is back.

Did we forget already OP openly admitted to trolling for attention using this tactic?

[Netaris]

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Also in 2024 it is not hard for anyone to sleep around, there is no winner or loser if the competition is sleeping around. Your friend could sleep around with many partners many years ago if he wanted to, its not specifically because he is 50 that is happening. We are 8 billion on earth.

He could have indeed, that kind of things already happened. But on a moral standpoint is was way more frowned upon back then and leaded to way more consequences on your life to be caught doing that. When I see that now some peoples cheat on each others and are openly proud of it, with no reaction or close to from peoples around, it blow my mind. I don't think it was that easy 50 years ago. I wasn't here, but I really doubt it.

And indeed, having a baby with a guy that can fly away whenever he want is a big risk for a women that shouldn't be overlooked. We agree on that one too. On the badboy stuff, I guess we don't have the same definition, as I think about the criminal type of badboys (and yes they have their success too). Being assertive and funny with a few tattoos isn't being a "badboy" from my point of view or at least a lame kind of badboy ... For me they're just normal guys.

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Edit: yes life is too short for this kind of nonsense so why you overcomplicate everything with dumb ideologies and rules?

Edit too : Because I think we have some big problems right now in France, that need to be fixed quickly. And that kind of divisions between peoples (not only the men women division created by feminism) weaken us in front of way more important chalenges we'll have to face soon. Like I've said, the war in Ukraine was an eye opener for me. A lot of countries arm themselves quickly, if there is one time you don't want to be weak, it's now. And we're not even able to deliver enough shells to feed ukrainian artillery.

The same war in the 80s should have been a very different outcome for sure. Our actual weakness is unacceptable and put us at great risk for the near future. I'm not willing to continue to allow such things to weaken us anymore. The family is a strong unit needed in any normal human society and they were weakened too much too these past decades. We need to rebuild our industry and to face realities again, as harsh as it may look like. Or one day we'll pay a big price for these behaviors, as ukrainians right now, who pay a gigantic price for the corruption of their country.

I think we became way too weak and that's enough. In short, my problem with actual feminism is that it create divisions in our societies, without achieving anything worth it, at a time where we face more and more threats. And that's why I talk about it, even if I don't care about the subject in itself. Because I think it's one of our weaknesses and we can't afford to be weak anymore, the situation have changed.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Escrito originalmente por Leonardo Da Pinchi:

Oh hey, the "It's women's fault they won't look at me" topic is back.

Did we forget already OP openly admitted to trolling for attention using this tactic?

In a way, it is feminism that's causing marriage rates to decline in the West. Women are hypergamists. They want men who are confident, wealthy, have high social status, equal education. You'll meet women who have lower standards, but it's not that common.

[Magmarock]

I want a woman with shared values so we can have kids together.

[Γαῖα]

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Escrito originalmente por SlowMango:

Marriage wasn't "made for women".

See ? Nobody seem to understand how it was supposed to work anymore. The reality is men have more time than women regarding love relationships. The peak of a female value on the "sexual market", is 20-25 years old, for men it's 35-40. Once they hit 30, they've already lost most of men's attention and losed a lot of their appeal, no matter the amount of makeup they put on. Mariage was made against the behavior of men who leave wife and childs to go with younger females instead, as it produced a lot of problems back then. It was an adaptation to realities. Today we refuse to aknowledge these realities and, well, obviously it doesn't work very well.

So yes, mariage was made for women mainly and that's why I laugh when feminists actively destroy it pretending it's to help women freeing themselves from patriarchy or something like that. It's so idiotic when you take a few minutes to actually think about it, but that's not my problem anyway. My problem is to keep malevolent influences outside of my living space.

Pairing, marriage, call it what you will is far darker and less personable than people imagine. Its origins paint a much different picture to the one people have in their minds todate.
A woman until modern times took a back seat even to the off spring so to say it was made for women to any degree until modern times is actually a falsehood.
Survival, property, obligations and rights of a child or to act in a husbands stead is the truth of such a bonding made official.

[⍚MagusFromHeaven⍚]

Show the women who's boss

[Magmarock]

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Escrito originalmente por Ad Victoriam !:

See ? Nobody seem to understand how it was supposed to work anymore. The reality is men have more time than women regarding love relationships. The peak of a female value on the "sexual market", is 20-25 years old, for men it's 35-40. Once they hit 30, they've already lost most of men's attention and losed a lot of their appeal, no matter the amount of makeup they put on. Mariage was made against the behavior of men who leave wife and childs to go with younger females instead, as it produced a lot of problems back then. It was an adaptation to realities. Today we refuse to aknowledge these realities and, well, obviously it doesn't work very well.

So yes, mariage was made for women mainly and that's why I laugh when feminists actively destroy it pretending it's to help women freeing themselves from patriarchy or something like that. It's so idiotic when you take a few minutes to actually think about it, but that's not my problem anyway. My problem is to keep malevolent influences outside of my living space.

Pairing, marriage, call it what you will is far darker and less personable than people imagine. Its origins paint a much different picture to the one people have in their minds todate.
A woman until modern times took a back seat even to the off spring so to say it was made for women to any degree until modern times is actually a falsehood.
Survival, property, obligations and rights of a child or to act in a husbands stead is the truth of such a bonding made official.

When one rejects reality and history and substitutes with their imagination.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

I don't really understand when a woman says they want a strong, confident, leader-type man when they're also a feminist. You would think they would want the opposite.