LOL: GOP threatens to block border bill they negotiated...

[Dom]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-threaten-block-border-security-immigration-bill-rcna137389

Who is surprised that Republicans don't want border solutions?

They are now threatening to block their own deals and negotiations, hundreds of work hours, because the Supreme Leader Trump is saying that it's bad without any further explanations.

Fact is, Trumpists don't want the border situation to improve AT ALL as long as Biden is in office. They're playing politics with this, first they destroy and then they say they have the solutions but only after the elections. And it's amusing to me how many people don't see that

[Crawl]

It doesn't matter how you look at it the whole thing is a sham. They don't need new laws or more funding, enforce the existing laws. Crossing the boarder illegally is a felony, that's on the books. Asylum laws also say you declare at the first safe country you come to, if you are crossing half the world just to claim asylum in the US your claim is crap you are looking for a handout.

[Morkonan]

Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:

It is already a law that illegal immigrants are not allowed to cross the border, which in effect is 0.

Water is wet. Moving on...

At the minimum, that bill would allow 1,825,000 illegals into the country a year, at the most, it would allow 3,102, 500 a year. Those numbers should be of concern to anyone and what it would do to the already bad economy.

Well, you can point out the section that's in for us, then. Where is it?

And, where does it say that 8,500 illegal immigrants can be allowed to cross the border daily? That's the statement I was challenging, so you do you know what clause that is?

And, how, if illegal immigrants can't cross the border, does it "allow" 3,102, 500 "into" the country a year? What does that entail? Do they just.. get in for free, no papers, no Multipass?

I'm interested in what section you're talking about, so can you point us to it?

[Bamford]

Първоначално публикувано от Morkonan:

Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:

It is already a law that illegal immigrants are not allowed to cross the border, which in effect is 0.

Water is wet. Moving on...

At the minimum, that bill would allow 1,825,000 illegals into the country a year, at the most, it would allow 3,102, 500 a year. Those numbers should be of concern to anyone and what it would do to the already bad economy.

Well, you can point out the section that's in for us, then. Where is it?

And, where does it say that 8,500 illegal immigrants can be allowed to cross the border daily? That's the statement I was challenging, so you do you know what clause that is?

And, how, if illegal immigrants can't cross the border, does it "allow" 3,102, 500 "into" the country a year? What does that entail? Do they just.. get in for free, no papers, no Multipass?

I'm interested in what section you're talking about, so can you point us to it?

Don't care.

This is theft, and illegals should be deported.

Foreign wars should not be funded, not worried about Red Dawn, we have guns.

There is no money, and if there is money, then we should all get tax refunds.

[Fake]

Hear me out, but I think that I have a solution for the border crisis and Ukraine. . . .

[Dom]

Illegals cannot be deported. There are at least two barriers which are:
1. deportation too expensive (costs billions; $120 billion to deport every undocumented individual). It would be better economically if they are integrated into the society,
2. most people cannot be deported because the country they came from does not accept deportations.

Neither of which GOP has addressed. Because GOP does not have answers to questions. They don't address the cost or the refusal to accept people back. They just ramble about the issue and collect votes. That's all.

These barriers are also the reason why nothing happened under Trump's first term.

[Triple G]

Първоначално публикувано от Bamford:

No, its just THEFT.

Imho theft is when tax money is spent on things like a new logo for the political party to attract more people. Or to rewrite the same things that already exist in a way that they mean the same, but are more modern, to attract the people. Or to rename offices, so they look more sympathetic or serious, even if they do the same. Or funding surveys and studies about people´s opinions with tax money, which are about to repeat what these studies say to gain votes. Or to build things with tax money, which are of no use for the public. Or to spend tax money on things which are already obsolete, but the permission was given in the past, so the money is spend anyways. Or if it is about any advertisement for a political party, other than speaking with their actions. Or to repeat the same stuff all over again while traveling through the country, as if there were no technical solutions to do this one times, and just repeat it via some TV screen, or maybe hologram, while doing something productive in the meantime. Or sitting in talk shows, talking about the same things all over again, till nobody is interested in the topics any more, so there need to be different topics, just so that more people watch it to sell the ads...

Or the time and tax money which is spent on politicians talking about why they shouldn´t vote for the other party, when they could focus on the points why they should vote for their party, which might include talking about the other party if it´s about misinformation, while the people should be hold a bit more responsible for the latter. Like: if they do it on purpose: they´re not qualified for the job and need to leave and never apply for it any more, while they need to give back all tax money they ever got, as they obviously misused it.


Also if it´s about deportation and whatnot:
There are international rules, agreements, and laws. I don´t really understand why countries talk about certain things, before changing these - or as alternative leave the international stage and they do their own thing, while there´s no international trade happening with them. It´s a bit too much cherry picking going on imho, while nobody has to fear any consequences for their actions. Which leads to the feeling that no agreements, or contracts, matter at all. If some country wants to do their own thing against the international consensus - they should be excluded from it. It´s straight forward, and easy to understand. Probably wouldn´t lead to misunderstanding - and benefits trust in certain words and intentions.

[WhiteKnight77]

Първоначално публикувано от Dom:

Illegals cannot be deported. There are at least two barriers which are:
1. deportation too expensive (costs billions; $120 billion to deport every undocumented individual). It would be better economically if they are integrated into the society,
2. most people cannot be deported because the country they came from does not accept deportations.

Neither of which GOP has addressed. Because GOP does not have answers to questions. They don't address the cost or the refusal to accept people back. They just ramble about the issue and collect votes. That's all.

These barriers are also the reason why nothing happened under Trump's first term.

This post shows just how uninformed you are about the happenings of CBP and how they deport people, or how often.

DHS Conducts Dozens of Removal Flights Every Week[www.dhs.gov] details just that. But again, as someone not from the US, you don't know about which you seem to troll people with.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

5% of migrants are criminals and terrorists, vet them all including children.

Beware sexual violence will rise...

[Dom]

Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:

Първоначално публикувано от Dom:

Illegals cannot be deported. There are at least two barriers which are:
1. deportation too expensive (costs billions; $120 billion to deport every undocumented individual). It would be better economically if they are integrated into the society,
2. most people cannot be deported because the country they came from does not accept deportations.

Neither of which GOP has addressed. Because GOP does not have answers to questions. They don't address the cost or the refusal to accept people back. They just ramble about the issue and collect votes. That's all.

These barriers are also the reason why nothing happened under Trump's first term.

This post shows just how uninformed you are about the happenings of CBP and how they deport people, or how often.

DHS Conducts Dozens of Removal Flights Every Week[www.dhs.gov] details just that. But again, as someone not from the US, you don't know about which you seem to troll people with.

Then why GOP complains about undocumented immigrants if they are deported then? Why is this discussed at all if deportation flights exist?

I didn't mean that no one gets deported. I meant that deporting everyone would be extremely expensive and not even possible.

[Crawl]

Първоначално публикувано от Dom:

Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:

This post shows just how uninformed you are about the happenings of CBP and how they deport people, or how often.

DHS Conducts Dozens of Removal Flights Every Week[www.dhs.gov] details just that. But again, as someone not from the US, you don't know about which you seem to troll people with.

Then why GOP complains about undocumented immigrants if they are deported then? Why is this discussed at all if deportation flights exist?

I didn't mean that no one gets deported. I meant that deporting everyone would be extremely expensive and not even possible.

Because they are not deporting them, they are turning them lose in the US with a court date 10 years down the road. In the mean time they are being housed and fed by us. They have literally kicked paying customers out of hotels to house illegals. You can't have an unlimited stream of people with no food, money, or place to live pour into the country.

[Bamford]

Първоначално публикувано от Dom:

Illegals cannot be deported.

Operation wetback deported 1.3 million.

Don't fall back on legalese when Biden is deliberately undermining the border. Its just a matter of will.


This is deliberate and obvious malice Finland, while your very own country is building fences.


"Biden: "The only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump."

Illegal border encounters:

2023: 2,476,000
2022: 2,379,000
2021: 1,735,000
2020: 400,000"

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1754968330916528468

[WhiteKnight77]

Първоначално публикувано от Bamford:

Първоначално публикувано от Dom:

Illegals cannot be deported.

Operation wetback deported 1.3 million.

Don't fall back on legalese when Biden is deliberately undermining the border. Its just a matter of will.


This is deliberate and obvious malice Finland, while your very own country is building fences.


"Biden: "The only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump."

Illegal border encounters:

2023: 2,476,000
2022: 2,379,000
2021: 1,735,000
2020: 400,000"

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1754968330916528468

When people state that Trump deported fewer illegal immigrants omit the fact that fewer illegal immigrants entered the country while he was President.

[Ulfrinn]

Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:

Първоначално публикувано от Bamford:

Operation wetback deported 1.3 million.

Don't fall back on legalese when Biden is deliberately undermining the border. Its just a matter of will.


This is deliberate and obvious malice Finland, while your very own country is building fences.


"Biden: "The only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump."

Illegal border encounters:

2023: 2,476,000
2022: 2,379,000
2021: 1,735,000
2020: 400,000"

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1754968330916528468

When people state that Trump deported fewer illegal immigrants omit the fact that fewer illegal immigrants entered the country while he was President.

Well, you're also talking about someone who reads CNN, NBC, and never been to the US themselves to know the difference, and just make troll threads to put their ignorance on full display much to the confusion of everybody who actually knows better. Which is why we're 6 pages in of this topic backfiring on them as they were CONVINCED this bill was some how designed to secure a border and the big meanie hypocrite Republicans are opposing it. Nope, it simply codifies all the illegal crap being done. Then they'd tell you all the illegal border crossings plummeted, not because Biden stopped them, they'll omit the fact it's because the bill legalized the same destructive practices.

[ナルゴ]

Illegal immigration almost stopped being a campaign issue entirely during the previous presidency. He campaigned on the border in 2016 and brought numbers when he got the job. Using the laws and powers that Biden currently has.

It's almost comical how democrats were smearing trump over "kids in cages", but now there's an order of magnitude more people dying at the border happening under Biden. With the democratic party denying there was an issue until they could literally not ignore it anymore.

[MinionJoe]

It's "official": Any problems with the border for the rest of the year is Trump's fault.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbwlMGsb-I