Time to Cancel Celebrities

[Hobbit XIII]

There is too much in my opinion of worshipping "celebrity" .

Our money goes to the big shows and these big executives and the big names.

Why can't we start putting our entertainment money into the old bag down the road at the local theatre?

It would help the community inspire more people to try something without Simon Cowell and the huge network ridiculing some people and gathering all your money into what he says you want.

The alternative would be more people acting and singing and promoting local culture over what we are told to like and what to watch.

Just my tuppence.

[Hobbit XIII]

Thadeus eredeti hozzászólása:

They are all cancelled in my book. Starting with Leftwing, TDS suffering losers like Robert Deniro and Mark Ruffalo.

TDS what is it and why Robert de Nero specifically ?

[Hobbit XIII]

tamago eredeti hozzászólása:

Neurotic Panda eredeti hozzászólása:

and being provoked is a 'you' issue, you decide that.
:winter2019happybulb:

Indeed I do. And the police will support that decision.

you seen the piano and the Chinese Communist Party youtube?

[AerSilver ♞]

They are being cancelled for so called "biggotry" and false allegations regardless, but yeah people care about celebs way too much.

[Hobbit XIII]

tamago eredeti hozzászólása:

Hobbit XIII eredeti hozzászólása:

you seen the piano and the Chinese Communist Party youtube?

No... Why?

just curious if it was a reference to that.
It's a bit long the video you can find it on youtube 'dont touch her piano' will bring it up probably.

there was a public piano at a shopping centre and anybody can go and play it and this musician was playing and was being filmed by a camera for youtube live .

Some Chinese people were celebrating or advertising doing soemthing with their flags and didn't like them being filmed and told the player to stop filming them and piano man said no, its a public space we are filming this and we are allowed to.

What followed was them complaining and a lot and the guy saying no and then he pointed at a flag a woman was holding asking is it communist flag and he barely touched it the Chinese guy just shouted "DONT TOUCH HER DONT TOUCH HER" major over reaction.

So flag people went to get coppers to tell the piano guy off and luckily the piano guy knew his rights and told the coppers no we are a free country this is what we are allowed to do.
The copper asked to stop being filmed and he said no, we are a free country etc etc.

The coppers realised they were not going to get very far pushing this guy and denying him his rights so went and tried to calm down angry flag people instead. They were there for ages moaning at the coppers pity they did not film the conversation up close to hear what was being said.

I watched the whole thing and it was both tedious, interesting and a complete waste of my time but funny in its way.

[Daenoxiis]

Why bother?
In 100 years time nobody will remember them anyway.
How many people do you know under the age of 30 that know the names of at least 10 stars from the silent film era?
That isn't going to change just because we have the internet.
And certainly not in modern times where attention span is severely lacking.
Pop Culture Phenomena is called Pop Culture Phenomena for a reason.
It has a shelf life shorter than the lifespan of human beings.
As for the resource drain, that's a simple solution.
Just don't throw your money at it too just because everyone else around you is throwing their money at it.
Time and Natural Selection renders Cancel Culture redundant.

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

I don't even understand how some of these people become "celebrities". In the UK we have people like Joey Essex, who became a celebrity by acting extremely stupid. And Scarlett Moffitt, who became a celebrity for sitting on her fat ugly ass watching TV.

I don't understand why anyone would follow these people or look up to them in any way.

[ZZZZZ]

paying taxes is worse, when do we boycott that?

[Hobbit XIII]

ZZZZZ eredeti hozzászólása:

paying taxes is worse, when do we boycott that?

1773 was the best time to do it and making it stick.

[Morkonan]

Celebrity-worship makes me nauseous when I see it...

Sure, there are people worthy of admiring, now and then. But, their poop still stinks. They have secrets, just like everyone else. They have faults, often amplified by the demands for them to remain "celebrities." And, sometimes, they're such flawed or disturbed people to begin with that they do not survive "celebrity."

But, millions line up to drink their bathwater, anyway. I just don't get it.

[Neurotic Panda]

Abaddon the Despoiler eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't even understand how some of these people become "celebrities". In the UK we have people like Joey Essex, who became a celebrity by acting extremely stupid. And Scarlett Moffitt, who became a celebrity for sitting on her fat ugly ass watching TV.

I don't understand why anyone would follow these people or look up to them in any way.

totally agree.

I do not understand.

Its like the show ridiculousness.. I get they have done some other stuff.. eh. But the show specifically nets them MASS cash. dyrdek just claps awkwardly and talks about clips that anyone anyplace can find, steelo hits play/pause, and chanel laughs. with basic banter about the clip. K.

thats the show. period.

they bank millions from people watching that crap and supporting them as they literally DO NOTHING...

its mind boggling how they are basically worshipped.

[TJSlipperman]

I'm mainly annoyed by the celebrities who constantly get rubbed in our faces (like Beyonce), the ones who ruin events we look forward to (like Travis Scott), the ones who attack people like me and the interests that I like (like Jack White & Sara Haines), and the ones who get so much publicity and money that they don't deserve (like the Kardashians).

It's disgusting how showbiz and our culture mostly props up the absolute worst people to please the lowest common denominator, while a lot of the more likeable and talented entertainers are left to struggle and fend for themselves.

[zeke]

Crusader (Banned5x) eredeti hozzászólása:

Hobbit XIII eredeti hozzászólása:

A genius like Mozart was in poverty and living off charity from friends.
A ridiculous world we live in.

Common for a lot of truly notable people during their own time. People barely knew who Nietzsche was during his life. Spent it alone until he went crazy. Now he's among the most prominent philosophers of all time.

Opposite now. People care about celebrities during their life, then 10-50 years after they pass they are often forgotten about.

Mozart definitely wasn't poor:

"Letters show that Mozart repeatedly borrowed money from friends to pay for his travels and his social obligations, and that his family was forced to move at least 11 times. The new documents, on display at Vienna’s Musikverein, reveal that he earned about 10,000 florins a year — at least $42,000, in today’s terms.

That would have placed him in the top 5% of wage-earners in late 18th-century Vienna, say experts,..."

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/documents-suggest-mozart-wasnt-poor-58873/

In Nietzsche's case, his financial problems largely seemed to stem from his deteriorating health rather than a lack of appreciation by his contemporaries. Don't forget we has a professor at university until he resigned due to health reasons. He even received a temporary pension from the university for several years. Also worth noting that the majority of the work that he is now known for happened in the course of about 10 years during which he pretty much lived in isolation (and after which he promptly died).

The "trope" of the 'unappreciated genius' pops up every now and then with historical figures but is, quite frankly, mostly or entirely BS about 90% of the time.

[zeke]

Crusader (Banned5x) eredeti hozzászólása:

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Therein lies the issue that expectations ≠ reality. Relatively few works become famous 'overnight'. His work also 'suffers' from not exactly being traditionally academic. His works were not going to become famous without some heavy promotion. Nietzsche's hopes/expectations to have become an overnight celebrity (especially when he was living in isolation and thus unable to publicly promote his works himself) were not realistic. Even famous authors of commercially successful works often promote their new works with various public appearances. Academics promote their works with lectures (in and out of the classroom) and with public appearances too.

The fact that he gained his fame posthumously has a lot to do with the fact that his sister heavily marketed his works after his death (even in spite of the fact that she also heavily distorted a decent portion of his work). There are pieces of his work that weren't even published until after his death (in fact, for example, Ecce ♥♥♥♥ wasn't even published until around 8 years after his death; The Will to Power was also a posthumous publish).

For Nietzsche, due to to his deteriorating physical & mental health, his isolation, his thus-ly resultant inability to publicly promote his work (such as by giving lectures/appearances on the academic circuit), and all of the coupled with an early death - it's almost a "miracle" his works weren't 'forgotten to time'. The reality of his situation was that there was little chance his works were going to receive the exposure they needed to quickly gain traction in the relatively short time before his death.

I'd also posit, those quotes are more illustrative of his mental health at the time during which he wrote them than they necessaily
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We have no crystal ball with which we can consult that can tell us of a potential future that never was - but had he been in good health, been able to promote his works and ideas from behind a lectern, and lived a bit longer - he may have seen at the very least some of the recognition he had hoped to receive (and quite possibly an even greater legacy that would have been left behind).

There is however reason to believe he would have seen it:

Georg Brandes was already giving lectures on Nietzsche around two years before Nietzsche's death at University of Copenhagen

H.L. Mencken produced the first book on Nietzsche in English in 1907, "The Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche"

Thus Spoke Zarathustra was popular amongst German soldiers during WWI

His work was also being published and gaining popularity in Russia in the years before his death
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So yes, I still posit that applying the 'unappreciated genius' trope to Nietzsche plainly disregards the realities of the circumstances surrounding most of the body of his works as laid out in the above.

[Tiberius]

I would support more local artist if they didnt suck that much

[Violent Rainbow]

I agree, I'm sick of them and I'm sick of seeing the same celebrities in every movie, it cheapens the movie it's just another pay check to them, I really don't want to see Brad Pitt or Dwayne Johnson or Chris Pratt in all my movies.