"Woke" is bad for gay rights

[bisder]

Maybe preaching to the choir for some of you but just in case...

"Woke's" intention is to pigeonhole advancement's in civil rights into something more suspect. It doesn't even matter how you feel about it anymore, it has been reduced to merely a toxic meme.

lgbt people in the usa can stop being gaslighted as a group and woke will go away forever if you can manage to separate advocacy for your constitutional rights as an individual from whatever ideologies you may or may not have. lgbt rights around the world are thanks to usa, this is a victory for all people even if you aren't lgbt or don't support them.

lgbt people, if you want people to stop attacking lgbt in all forms and fashions the battle has to be with the people and not against them, whether perceived or otherwise. This means whatever battle you think there is to be had, it is that of every person's rights as an individual in ALL fashions, even people you despise...because there is a common goal. a.k.a. equal rights under the law :) the usa is not your enemy, it is your ally

this has been a public service announcement

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Ad Victoriam ! a écrit :

Ulfrinn a écrit :

It gave those groups who wanted power exactly what they were after though, didn't it? When Soviets were doing it, did they not succeed in manipulating that "victim class" into attacking the ones in power, overthrowing the government in the name of some kind of misguided justice, and then giving full power over to the people who promised to deliver that justice if they were given it? And the interesting lesson is, once they had that power, the only "justice" that was delivered was that "victim class" received the same treatment they had previously dished out to the other side of the division.

In the US, the "Bourgeoisie class" is painted as white, straight, Christian men. What is the opposite of that? It becomes obvious why the activists are trying to paint non white, non straight, non Christians as victims, and telling them all their problems are the result of the other group, which make up the majority in the US, and will undoubtedly resist what is an attack against them, thus creating that division and conflict.

Well, I've always said it, what you call liberals in the US are in reality socialists, same methods, same ideology, same appeal for brutal revolutions and bloodsheds. Nobody should ever trust a socialist, ever, betrayal is as natural for them as breathing. Even if you help them at first, they'll try to kill you as soon as they don't need you anymore.

Socialism is one of the most evil ideologies ever created by mankind, never trust them, never help them, never even listen to them. Just contain and fight it as much as possible. Or they'll destroy your country and yourself too.

Well yeah, many of them in the US are operating on the principles of Saul Alinsky, who was a communist activist out of Chicago. Much of what the American DNC does is directly out of his playbook. Hillary Clinton even wrote a college thesis idolizing him. Given how many people in the DNC studied him, his tactics, and use those tactics, you could consider many of them to be Communist activists as well.

[Netaris]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

Well yeah, many of them in the US are operating on the principles of Saul Alinsky, who was a communist activist out of Chicago. Much of what the American DNC does is directly out of his playbook. Hillary Clinton even wrote a college thesis idolizing him. Given how many people in the DNC studied him, his tactics, and use those tactics, you could consider many of them to be Communist activists as well.

Yeah, I use "socialism" as it's a wider word, that include nazis and fascists too. But you're also right calling it "communism", it is indeed. If you want to have an idea of what kind of destructions communism can cause, I encourage you to study the Red Khmers case, those guys were real monsters, the most brutal socialists, those who've killed the most peoples, even by communists "standadrs".

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Haruspex a écrit :

The mega-rich are the ones funding these media companies to put this "woke" stuff in our games and movies. They don't actually care about any of these issues in the slightest, they just know that we do. Whether you support it or you're against it, the mega-rich are funding and encouraging extremists on both sides to keep us fighting over stupid crap that doesn't matter.

In a remarkable but under-reported address, one of America’s most prominent and influential political figures has acknowledged the “immense” and “outsized” Jewish role in the US mass media and cultural life. Joe Biden – now President of the U.S. – said that this has been the single most important factor in shaping American attitudes over the past century, and in driving major cultural-political changes.

“Jewish heritage has shaped who we are – all of us – as much or more than any other factor in the last 223 years. And that’s a fact,” Biden told a gathering of Jewish leaders on May 21, 2013, in Washington, DC. “The truth is that Jewish heritage, Jewish culture, Jewish values are such an essential part of who we are that it’s fair to say that Jewish heritage is American heritage,” he added.

“Think - behind of all that, I bet you 85 percent of those [major social-political] changes, whether it’s in Hollywood or social media, are a consequence of Jewish leaders in the industry. The influence is immense, the influence is immense. And, I might add, it is all to the good,” Biden added.

“The Jewish people have contributed greatly to America. No group has had such an outsized influence per capita,” Biden also said in his May 2013 speech. He specifically cited the Jewish role in shaping popular attitudes and in setting policies on race relations, the role of women in society, and “gay rights.” He said: “You can't talk about the civil rights movement in this country without talking about Jewish freedom riders and Jack Greenberg ... You can't talk about the women’s movement without talking about Betty Friedan.” Biden also praised the Jewish community’s “embrace of immigration.”

For some Jews, Biden’s remarks about Jewish power were worrisome – not because they were untrue, but because they were made publicly. One prominent Jewish journalist wrote that, however gratifying Biden's “very philo-Semitic” remarks might be, such an open acknowledgment of Jewish influence is “wandering into highly uncomfortable terrain.” He went too far, cautioned Jonathan Chait, especially given that “lots of people” are not at all happy about how “Jews have used their influence over popular culture to change societal attitudes toward homosexuality.”

[Big G]

Paratech2008 a écrit :

The problem with woke is it tries to criminalize beliefs.

You aren't allowed to believe behavior is immoral.

People can believe in morality and do absolutely nothing to people who are behaving in a manner believed to be immoral.

I believe LGBTQ behavior is immoral. I also know that some of my behavior isn't moral.


I don't get to punish people for behavior I find immoral when my behavior isn't much better.

I'm a human being in a human world. We all do things we shouldn't do.

That's actually an excellent point.

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Ulfrinn a écrit :

lankaras a écrit :

You know what's also from the USA? The woke movement. USA is ally nor enemy, it is the Apple of countries, the trendsetter. Every more or less significant thing they have, will arrive here as well, a bit later.

Third paragraph I don't understand at all what you are trying to say.

And who makes that so? Who makes it so what the USA does will happen there? It's people there who listen to American media 24/7. You invite those trends in because you cannot stop consuming American TV, movies, news, music, etc.

Also, that divisive "woke movement" isn't even the first, and won't be the last time people seeking power over others will tell one group of people they're a victim of another group of people and the only way to get justice is to give them the power to deliver it. It's the classic pitting the haves against the have nots. Proletariat vs Bourgeoisie. It's had several names and has been going on for most of recorded human history. "Woke culture" is just one form of it from the US. You have other forms of it that is focused on where you're from for sure.

I guess that's true, how is it a response to my comment tho? I haven't read the whole thread, maybe I missed something.

[Rebecca]

I'm bisexual and I hate the way woke has ruined the LGBT community. Its making all of us look bad when there's plenty of us that aren't like that. Many of us are rational, regular people and just want to be accepted. The ones who scream and demand all kinds of ridiculous things are embarrassing and just give us all a bad name. It just makes us all look like narcissistic crybabies, which isn't true at all.

Ultimately the LGBT community has been infected with a victim mentality that makes some feel entitled to bully and intimidate anyone outside the community. It also fosters a dependence on the validation from others and hence people like that can never be truly secure in themselves.

The LGBT community would benefit a lot from validating and accepting themselves and not taking the judgement of others to heart. You can't force anyone to agree with or like you, the most important thing is that you provide that for yourself and surround yourself with those who genuinely do.

[Big G]

Rebecca a écrit :

I'm bisexual and I hate the way woke has ruined the LGBT community. Its making all of us look bad when there's plenty of us that aren't like that. Many of us are rational, regular people and just want to be accepted. The ones who scream and demand all kinds of ridiculous things are embarrassing and just give us all a bad name. It just makes us all look like narcissistic crybabies, which isn't true at all.

Ultimately the LGBT community has been infected with a victim mentality that makes some feel entitled to bully and intimidate anyone outside the community. It also fosters a dependence on the validation from others and hence people like that can never be truly secure in themselves.

The LGBT community would benefit a lot from validating and accepting themselves and not taking the judgement of others to heart. You can't force anyone to agree with or like you, the most important thing is that you provide that for yourself and surround yourself with those who genuinely do.

See, this is the kind of people I have absolutely no problem with. Even the entitled jerks like feminists and sorts, I only have a problem with the people that are taking their ideology to an extreme, and are pushing it onto children that can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stand for themselves, and don't know A SINGLE THING about the world, NADA. Leave them out of this.

[Thadeus]

Aggressive activism is always annoying the normies and is hurting the cause more than it helps.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

It's not just the aggressive activism it's intentionally going out of their way to be different.

So if the goal is acceptance, you don't dye your hair bright purple, get facial tattoos, and start pushing all these crazy ideas...in other words if the goal is acceptance you don't go out of your way to do things that would have normal people rejecting straight people.

[Big G]

Chunk Norris ☯ a écrit :

It's not just the aggressive activism it's intentionally going out of their way to be different.

So if the goal is acceptance, you don't dye your hair bright purple, get facial tattoos, and start pushing all these crazy ideas...in other words if the goal is acceptance you don't go out of your way to do things that would have normal people rejecting straight people.

Acceptance my ass lol, the way it's looking, it's trying to convert everyone to their delusional side and going after the weakest link in the chain, the children.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Big G a écrit :

Chunk Norris ☯ a écrit :

It's not just the aggressive activism it's intentionally going out of their way to be different.

So if the goal is acceptance, you don't dye your hair bright purple, get facial tattoos, and start pushing all these crazy ideas...in other words if the goal is acceptance you don't go out of your way to do things that would have normal people rejecting straight people.

Acceptance my ass lol, the way it's looking, it's trying to convert everyone to their delusional side and going after the weakest link in the chain, the children.

True, it's not as much "acceptance" as it's....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww

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Rebecca a écrit :

I'm bisexual and I hate the way woke has ruined the LGBT community. Its making all of us look bad when there's plenty of us that aren't like that. Many of us are rational, regular people and just want to be accepted. The ones who scream and demand all kinds of ridiculous things are embarrassing and just give us all a bad name. It just makes us all look like narcissistic crybabies, which isn't true at all.

Ultimately the LGBT community has been infected with a victim mentality that makes some feel entitled to bully and intimidate anyone outside the community. It also fosters a dependence on the validation from others and hence people like that can never be truly secure in themselves.

The LGBT community would benefit a lot from validating and accepting themselves and not taking the judgement of others to heart. You can't force anyone to agree with or like you, the most important thing is that you provide that for yourself and surround yourself with those who genuinely do.

I believe all of that to be true. And I know there are people who don't agree with the politics and control behind LGBTQ. But I'm not really sure how to solve that problem of people getting lumped in with them and their toxicity. How is that to be combated when it's been front and center stage for so long that it's become synonymous with anything gay? Maybe some kind of counter organization, but I think that'd just be taken over by the same type of people.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

Rebecca a écrit :

I'm bisexual and I hate the way woke has ruined the LGBT community. Its making all of us look bad when there's plenty of us that aren't like that. Many of us are rational, regular people and just want to be accepted. The ones who scream and demand all kinds of ridiculous things are embarrassing and just give us all a bad name. It just makes us all look like narcissistic crybabies, which isn't true at all.

Ultimately the LGBT community has been infected with a victim mentality that makes some feel entitled to bully and intimidate anyone outside the community. It also fosters a dependence on the validation from others and hence people like that can never be truly secure in themselves.

The LGBT community would benefit a lot from validating and accepting themselves and not taking the judgement of others to heart. You can't force anyone to agree with or like you, the most important thing is that you provide that for yourself and surround yourself with those who genuinely do.

I believe all of that to be true. And I know there are people who don't agree with the politics and control behind LGBTQ. But I'm not really sure how to solve that problem of people getting lumped in with them and their toxicity. How is that to be combated when it's been front and center stage for so long that it's become synonymous with anything gay? Maybe some kind of counter organization, but I think that'd just be taken over by the same type of people.

Which it why what we decide to be tribalistic about really matter. The left tend to make people be tribalistic about as much as possible but especially more of the baser instinct type stuff like man vs woman, 1 race vs 1 race, etc. Whereas the right tend to be tribalistic on a political movement or even country level. The right will follow MAGA or AMerica. or the American First. etc

[Rebecca]

Ulfrinn a écrit :

Rebecca a écrit :

I'm bisexual and I hate the way woke has ruined the LGBT community. Its making all of us look bad when there's plenty of us that aren't like that. Many of us are rational, regular people and just want to be accepted. The ones who scream and demand all kinds of ridiculous things are embarrassing and just give us all a bad name. It just makes us all look like narcissistic crybabies, which isn't true at all.

Ultimately the LGBT community has been infected with a victim mentality that makes some feel entitled to bully and intimidate anyone outside the community. It also fosters a dependence on the validation from others and hence people like that can never be truly secure in themselves.

The LGBT community would benefit a lot from validating and accepting themselves and not taking the judgement of others to heart. You can't force anyone to agree with or like you, the most important thing is that you provide that for yourself and surround yourself with those who genuinely do.

I believe all of that to be true. And I know there are people who don't agree with the politics and control behind LGBTQ. But I'm not really sure how to solve that problem of people getting lumped in with them and their toxicity. How is that to be combated when it's been front and center stage for so long that it's become synonymous with anything gay? Maybe some kind of counter organization, but I think that'd just be taken over by the same type of people.

I'm not sure about the answer. I myself just keep out of it and avoid all LGBT events except for Pride. Its frustrating because I want to have LGBT friends but so many are corrupted by woke and this victim mentality that it puts me right off.

I think though that a sizeable chunk off this mess comes from the younger generation who have't actually experienced any real discrimination. LGBT people have a lot more acceptance than ever before in the West. They don't know how lucky they are. If they'd really experienced genuine discrimination then they wouldn't flip out at every thing or parade their victim-hood around like some kind of badge they're proud of.

[Netaris]

Rebecca a écrit :

I'm bisexual and I hate the way woke has ruined the LGBT community. Its making all of us look bad when there's plenty of us that aren't like that. Many of us are rational, regular people and just want to be accepted.

Don't worry, we're not idiots. It's obvious that political activists taked control of a lot of groups like this one today and they'll be the only ones to pay for their ill-intended actions. I can't speak for others much, but I think most peoples easilly make the difference between political activists and peoples who genuinely want some changes / sense of security. For myself now : the only ones I have something against are the socialists who use these groups as a tool to gain more political power, without caring for the consequences of their actions.