"Woke" is bad for gay rights

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Maybe preaching to the choir for some of you but just in case...

"Woke's" intention is to pigeonhole advancement's in civil rights into something more suspect. It doesn't even matter how you feel about it anymore, it has been reduced to merely a toxic meme.

lgbt people in the usa can stop being gaslighted as a group and woke will go away forever if you can manage to separate advocacy for your constitutional rights as an individual from whatever ideologies you may or may not have. lgbt rights around the world are thanks to usa, this is a victory for all people even if you aren't lgbt or don't support them.

lgbt people, if you want people to stop attacking lgbt in all forms and fashions the battle has to be with the people and not against them, whether perceived or otherwise. This means whatever battle you think there is to be had, it is that of every person's rights as an individual in ALL fashions, even people you despise...because there is a common goal. a.k.a. equal rights under the law :) the usa is not your enemy, it is your ally

this has been a public service announcement

[Paratech2008]

Wait, Russia cares more about the US politicians (right wing) stance on LGBTQ than the war they're waging?

You can't be serious?

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Professor a écrit :

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Thank you for completing the thought as it is what I was trying to get at. Singling out homosexuality isn't even necessary if the bridge between our ideology and our god given rights is made.

Imho it would be a much better world if people were never marginalised, victimised & always treated with respect & dignity. You raise an interesting proposition with bridging the gap between individual ideology & collective human rights, perhaps it could go a long way towards easing the destructive nature of our differences.

I take a bow & salute you for actively seeking positive change. Sure things may never change but at least their are those trying their best to bring people together. Thank you & well done, keep up the good work

Thank you for your kind words, I really appreciate it. There is so much potential out there that if someone can get what I'm trying to say then maybe it can benefit them is some way. The internet is filled with many (bad) jokes that I am guilty of, I somewhat feel obligated to try making sense of what is happening here.

I wanted to clarify, I say god given rights because according to the law that is where our "rights" come from. Government is (supposed to be) there to protect our (god-given) "rights". Of course this offends some people and that is fine, but it is what it is. I might also tell them that maybe if I was in a court room arguing for some corporation I would testify you can't have any rights if you don't believe in god, else where do rights come from? Another man? Yourself? Indeed. But that is a philosophical discussion not really home here, and I'm just being incredulous.

All in all I think to sum up my thoughts on the matter, god-given rights aren't some religious babble, it's a technical matter you see, rights must be god-given in order to be rights in the first place. The trouble most religious people have is reconciling their religious doctrine with applied morality, and that means in the real world we let people generally do what they want when they aren't bothering anyone, as it should be, since we don't have any official sources on morality.

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Paratech2008 a écrit :

Wait, Russia cares more about the US politicians (right wing) stance on LGBTQ than the war they're waging?

You can't be serious?

:shockedkitty:

Russia only cares about America as much as Blackrock want's to give reverse mortgages to senior citizens. Then turn the homes into rental only property's.

[Paratech2008]

The trouble "religious" people have is heterosexual people behave badly as well.

Abortion, Promiscuous behavior, adultery, the list goes on and on.

But no, let's "Cherry pick" a small selection of "sins" while ignoring the sins of the masses.

It doesn't work.

We all need to behave better and if we suck at fixing our bad behavior how can we demand others so what we can't do ourselves.

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Magic A. I. a écrit :

bisder a écrit :

lgbt rights around the world are thanks to usa

bisder a écrit :

the usa is not your enemy, it is your ally

Bwahaha, what a shameless lie. They literally ruined it for everyone because now governments around the world project their fear of U.S. foreign policies on gay people and equate lgbt to sexual predators. If U.S. government didn't weaponize sexual preferences back in the 1940s and 1950s, there wouldn't be any oppression of gay people today. Even USSR would happily push for gay rights. And as if history wasn't enough, that so called "ally" of yours keeps making it worse for everyone each day with all the Epstein islands and school grooming.

Gays are equal under the law in usa. As it should be. Thats all its about. It isn't the usa's fault that other countries project fear or classify lgbt as predators. I never claimed that the usa is perfect, or was perfect either. I'm talking about right now, and going forward. And the epstein part is wtf, not going to do that in this thread.

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Paratech2008 a écrit :

The trouble "religious" people have is heterosexual people behave badly as well.

Abortion, Promiscuous behavior, adultery, the list goes on and on.

But no, let's "Cherry pick" a small selection of "sins" while ignoring the sins of the masses.

It doesn't work.

We all need to behave better and if we suck at fixing our bad behavior how can we demand others so what we can't do ourselves.

Well Christianity and Islam have varying beliefs that are somewhat similar from what I hear. But Christianity is obviously more merciful. But death will be upon those who lies with beast. That new testament stuff is heresy. But That's my view on the new testament. But I guess it had to change with the times. I will not mention a group of people that are destine for eternal damnation because I don't want another ban. YET.....

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Paratech2008 a écrit :

The trouble "religious" people have is heterosexual people behave badly as well.

Abortion, Promiscuous behavior, adultery, the list goes on and on.

But no, let's "Cherry pick" a small selection of "sins" while ignoring the sins of the masses.

It doesn't work.

We all need to behave better and if we suck at fixing our bad behavior how can we demand others so what we can't do ourselves.

True

[Magic A. I.]

bisder a écrit :

It isn't the usa's fault that other countries project fear or classify lgbt as predators.

Typical. First they ♥♥♥♥ in the pool, then say that it's not their fault that nobody wants to jump in. Some ally.

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Magic A. I. a écrit :

Bwahaha, what a shameless lie. They literally ruined it for everyone because now governments around the world project their fear of U.S. foreign policies on gay people and equate lgbt to sexual predators. If U.S. government didn't weaponize sexual preferences back in the 1940s and 1950s, there wouldn't be any oppression of gay people today. Even USSR would happily push for gay rights. And as if history wasn't enough, that so called "ally" of yours keeps making it worse for everyone each day with all the Epstein islands and school grooming.

Gays are equal under the law in usa. As it should be. Thats all its about. It isn't the usa's fault that other countries project fear or classify lgbt as predators. I never claimed that the usa is perfect, or was perfect either. I'm talking about right now, and going forward. And the epstein part is wtf, not going to do that in this thread.

That's only because it was so well documented during the time of Abraham. As punishment for the predators. They were tied to a stone mill at low tide. Where they had to escape the tide or drown. I guess they sorta had equal rights then. Cause they gave them a chance.

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ZOMBIECRUNCH a écrit :

bisder a écrit :

Gays are equal under the law in usa. As it should be. Thats all its about. It isn't the usa's fault that other countries project fear or classify lgbt as predators. I never claimed that the usa is perfect, or was perfect either. I'm talking about right now, and going forward. And the epstein part is wtf, not going to do that in this thread.

That's only because it was so well documented during the time of Abraham. As punishment for the predators. They were tied to a stone mill at low tide. Where they had to escape the tide or drown. I guess they sorta had equal rights then. Cause they gave them a chance.

Sounds like that is what you (want to) believe at least.

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Magic A. I. a écrit :

bisder a écrit :

It isn't the usa's fault that other countries project fear or classify lgbt as predators.

Typical. First they ♥♥♥♥ in the pool, then say that it's not their fault that nobody wants to jump in. Some ally.

I'm not speaking on the record for the usa. i dont represent them and they dont represent me. im telling you from experience because i live here. cant give you anything more than that. you will have to resolve any disputes you have officially, this thread isn't about history of the cia.

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bisder a écrit :

ZOMBIECRUNCH a écrit :

That's only because it was so well documented during the time of Abraham. As punishment for the predators. They were tied to a stone mill at low tide. Where they had to escape the tide or drown. I guess they sorta had equal rights then. Cause they gave them a chance.

Sounds like that is what you (want to) believe at least.

No. That actually happened. I as a Christian have read the Quran. And these were the punishments given. Or a slow death maybe depending.

[Paratech2008]

I find it ironic "gay rights" started with wanting acceptance,,, but now wants to criminalize people who believe such behavior is immoral.

Tolerance is a two way street. I'm not condescending violence, but simply stating people have a right to have morals as long as they don't violate others rights.

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Paratech2008 a écrit :

I find it ironic "gay rights" started with wanting acceptance,,, but now wants to criminalize people who believe such behavior is immoral.

Tolerance is a two way street. I'm not condescending violence, but simply stating people have a right to have morals as long as they don't violate others rights.

There is a reason being gay used to be considered deviant. Going back to the beginning of society I think. And I think ancient Rome was the first maybe to be accepting of gays. But different cultures do different things.

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ZOMBIECRUNCH a écrit :

bisder a écrit :

Sounds like that is what you (want to) believe at least.

No. That actually happened. I as a Christian have read the Quran. And these were the punishments given. Or a slow death maybe depending.

You read a book so you come to my thread and derail it to believe in it publicly?