what do you think about this?

[mtono]

https://blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-says-lars-ulrich-was-100-percent-right-about-napster

do you remember...maybe you are too young to have been participating this lars ulrich (metallica) lawsuit thing.

tell me!

[Pierce Dalton]

Yes, I remember it. I think that big bands aren't affected by this kind of stuff, because they still make a lot of money from tours around the world even if people don't buy their records. The less popular bands, on the other hand... yeah, that ♥♥♥♥♥ with them.

[mtono]

you know it. i say that lars ulrich made advertisement for illegal downloads in the whole wolrd...kind of/ sort of. if he wouldnt have done this, less kids were download addicted. or what?

[Daenoxiis]

Yes he is right about it, but he's also the pot calling the kettle black at the same time too.
Who do you think actually runs the American music industry?
I'll give you a hint, it's not some arbitrary American affluence.
It's the Mafia. The actual Mafia. Not some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clout chasing modern mainstream gangsters, it's real, actual organized crime syndicate.

Why do you think all musicians hate the music industry?
THAT'S WHY.

Look up the history of Payola and and the history of ClearChannel (now better known as iHeartRadio).

And everybody knows the Mafia does not just quietly go away because the feds gave them a slap on the wrist about it. Gotti himself was involved in the 1980s.

[Yew Nough]

Payola was coined by the mafia, but most/all of it today is self-interested gatekeepers and predatory record labels that churn musicians out like canned tuna.

As far as the Napster argument goes: The only detriment to low record sales is the risk of labels dropping you because you suck. Also, artists receive a pittance for every record sold.

In the end, I don't think it mattered since companies eventually found a way to track the metrics of what's being downloaded on the internet (to gauge its popularity) and artists took advantage of the idea behind Napster and learned to distribute their own music without a major record label or paying for product distribution.

As Pierce mentioned: Most of the money a musician makes is on tour (and merch). In my opinion, companies claiming ownership of master records through shady contracts is a more important argument (pertaining to musicians) than fans downloading your albums for free.

[mtono]

Oprindeligt skrevet af mtono8:

you know it. i say that lars ulrich made advertisement for illegal downloads in the whole wolrd...kind of/ sort of. if he wouldnt have done this, less kids were download addicted. or what?

just to mention: lars ulrich owned himself and the record selling industry by starting the law suit. why? everybody who heard about lars ulrichs war against downloads and wasnt into downloading records for free, could have startet downolading/ become an illegal downloader, because they heard about it. lars ulrich should have known this before. he had lawywers, which are inresonsible. that there is a problem nowadays is a sure thing.
thats the thing i wanted to talk about in here.

[replika]

Oprindeligt skrevet af mtono8:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-says-lars-ulrich-was-100-percent-right-about-napster

do you remember...maybe you are too young to have been participating this lars ulrich (metallica) lawsuit thing.

tell me!

Lars Ulrich sucks at drums, Kirk sucks at guitar, listen to death or acid bath for real metal.

[mtono]

i prefer cannibal corpse

\m/

[Daenoxiis]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Yew Nough:

Payola was coined by the mafia, but most/all of it today is self-interested gatekeepers and predatory record labels that churn musicians out like canned tuna.

As far as the Napster argument goes: The only detriment to low record sales is the risk of labels dropping you because you suck. Also, artists receive a pittance for every record sold.

In the end, I don't think it mattered since companies eventually found a way to track the metrics of what's being downloaded on the internet (to gauge its popularity) and artists took advantage of the idea behind Napster and learned to distribute their own music without a major record label or paying for product distribution.

As Pierce mentioned: Most of the money a musician makes is on tour (and merch). In my opinion, companies claiming ownership of master records through shady contracts is a more important argument (pertaining to musicians) than fans downloading your albums for free.

Do you currently know any fully independent artists who are making a living wage solely on live performances and merch without the corprotocracy's investment backing? Because I don't. All of your mainstream social media platforms that independent artists gain success on, they depend upon those platforms for a base sum total. If there is no platform, they sink.

Video Killed The Radio Star, and Radio killed the live performance musician.

I don't like it, in fact I hate it, but that is how it is.

I really don't see a point in arguing mainstream success against independent success, the color of the boat doesn't actually matter, it still functions exactly the same.

Labels take an automatic 50% cut, and while the artist does get a percentage they have investments they have to make payments against in terms of manufacturing and production value costs, if you go mainstream than you also have to pay your advertising and marketing staff, and basically everybody who does anything for you in terms of staffing to make your success viable has to get paid for their contribution to your success.

Frank Zappa was asked by David Letterman in 1983 once how he got the London Symphony Orchestra to perform on his album and he said: "You pay them." Letterman asked how because they're prestigious and Zappa calmly said: "Yes. So you pay them a lot of money."

In that exact same interview a few minutes prior to that, Zappa said:
"We've got a problem with Brown Lipstick in the Corporate Suite. And I don't think anybody looks good with Brown Lipstick."

The man's got a point.

https://youtu.be/DjMO_ewZxIQ?si=5SBXXbABjpqGsFW_

[mtono]

Oprindeligt skrevet af haitex:

Oprindeligt skrevet af mtono8:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/david-ellefson-says-lars-ulrich-was-100-percent-right-about-napster

do you remember...maybe you are too young to have been participating this lars ulrich (metallica) lawsuit thing.

tell me!

Lars Ulrich sucks at drums, Kirk sucks at guitar, listen to death or acid bath for real metal.

the worst thing about lars ulrichs drum style is, that he doesnt use a "ride cymbal". a big cymbal for a special sound, that is really needed in my opinion^^. he doesnt do and hammers on his open hihat all the time. i cant take it anymore. if you want to know, what hihat and ride cymbals are, ask youtube...this stylish drumset using buy lars ulrich is disgusting. everyone plays a ride cymbal in metal, he doesnt.

[Tonepoet]

What is "digital bread"? Is it what they use to make finger sandwiches?

Nevermind, don't bother answering. I just finished downloading my car and need to take it out for a test spin to make sure all the bits made it over in proper order.

[replika]

Oprindeligt skrevet af mtono8:

Oprindeligt skrevet af haitex:

Lars Ulrich sucks at drums, Kirk sucks at guitar, listen to death or acid bath for real metal.

the worst thing about lars ulrichs drum style is, that he doesnt use a "ride cymbal". a big cymbal for a special sound, that is really needed in my opinion^^. he doesnt do and hammers on his open hihat all the time. i cant take it anymore. if you want to know, what hihat and ride cymbals are, ask youtube...this stylish drumset using buy lars ulrich is disgusting. everyone plays a ride cymbal in metal, he doesnt.

he’s a burden to Metallica too, there’s greater drummers than him, travis barker, chad channing, Dave grohl.

[mtono]

i like gar samuelson the most. he played on teh first two megadeth records.

[Daenoxiis]

Oprindeligt skrevet af xaiteh:

Oprindeligt skrevet af mtono8:

the worst thing about lars ulrichs drum style is, that he doesnt use a "ride cymbal". a big cymbal for a special sound, that is really needed in my opinion^^. he doesnt do and hammers on his open hihat all the time. i cant take it anymore. if you want to know, what hihat and ride cymbals are, ask youtube...this stylish drumset using buy lars ulrich is disgusting. everyone plays a ride cymbal in metal, he doesnt.

he’s a burden to Metallica too, there’s greater drummers than him, travis barker, chad channing, Dave grohl.

George Kollias.

https://youtu.be/CL_6gb4fVHo?si=CsNBtKELxo7llrF-

[Daenoxiis]

There's plenty of better drummers, but I mean they're not gonna hire George Kollias or any other better drummer for the exact same reason they didn't hire Les Claypool. *shrug*

[mtono]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Daenoxiis:

Oprindeligt skrevet af xaiteh:

he’s a burden to Metallica too, there’s greater drummers than him, travis barker, chad channing, Dave grohl.

George Kollias.

https://youtu.be/CL_6gb4fVHo?si=CsNBtKELxo7llrF-

i did not know this drummer. thx for the link. i play music myself with electric guitar, but i play rock and the drummer kollias is surely technically insane^^. he plays doublebass for example, and me myself couldnt play with such drummer. i like frank zappa and neil young the most for being inspired and i love to listen to metal...
again thanks for the link