Why Christmas?

[Dal420]

Why doesn't secular society break away from Christmas?

It's supposed to be a time for everyone, and all are welcome, even though it is a Christian holiday, but I hear the same things every year; "Xmas" this, or "stress" that, or "I hate Christmas", etc. and every year it's worse.

On Steam, non-stop posts criticising the holiday (it isn't the right date, it's a pagan holiday, and on, and on), or posts from people who simply can't seem to grasp the concept of the thing.

Why does one joyous celebration threaten so many people?

And if it does bother you, why are you even bothered by it? Nobody is forcing you to participate.

Christmas should be Christmas. A time to celebrate the birth of Jesus, and all are welcome.

If you want to celebrate Xmas, or have some other meaningless celebration (Festivus, Utopiacornucopia, or call it Universal Fun Day for all I care), then go nuts!

Why can't there be another day for that?

It's already insisted that church be removed from work, school, etc., so why not have your own holiday as well?

Why celebrate a Christian holiday? It makes no sense.

Honestly, no other religion has to put up with this.

I guess that's the price you pay for trying to be inclusive.

[Triple G]

Oprindeligt skrevet af :D:

Because Christians are the low-hanging fruit. They are very easy to persecute because Christian-hate is deeply ingrained in our modern culture.

I've noticed that most of the edgy atheist critiques bring up Old Testament stuff but 99.999% of the time they REFUSE to directly criticize Judaism.
Very rarely they will even criticize Islam, either. Or really any other religion. Heck they will even DEFEND the Mesoamerican religions that Christian Spaniards extinguished just for the sake of hating Christianity.
t's like they are cowards or too woke or something.

So Christians are much better, because they criticize and dislike everyone else?

Like there´s one pre-school here which wouldn´t want to have Christmas tree this year, but it still does all the other stuff. So everyone and their right wing mother came out of some corner, stating that the world has gone insane when none values the traditions any more, and some former minister stating, that if they don´t want to have a Christmas tree, they perhaps have to think about having it opened over the holidays. That is usually what Christianity here is about - and i´m sure i´ts not too different anywhere else, and there might be some exception, who just honestly believe in their faith - and don´t care much about other people and their faith

The Christians party here has a new party program, which says that Islam is also a part of Germany, if they respect traditional values. Why only Islam and Muslim people?

And to respond to it - it may be that the dominant religion there is Christian - not some other one. Nothing about being deeply ingrained, except they are victim of child abuse in some Church group as kid.

[Goose]

santa deniers when they come to the living room in the morning and see presents under the tree (they think it must've been the wind)

[Dal420]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Goose:

santa deniers when they come to the living room in the morning and see presents under the tree (they think it must've been the wind)

Well, the spirit of Santa is very real, but not in the fantasy sense that everyone promotes these days.

https://www.catholic365.com/article/5637/yes-catholics-can-believe-in-santa-claus.html

[xDDD]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Triple G:

Oprindeligt skrevet af :D:

Because Christians are the low-hanging fruit. They are very easy to persecute because Christian-hate is deeply ingrained in our modern culture.

I've noticed that most of the edgy atheist critiques bring up Old Testament stuff but 99.999% of the time they REFUSE to directly criticize Judaism.
Very rarely they will even criticize Islam, either. Or really any other religion. Heck they will even DEFEND the Mesoamerican religions that Christian Spaniards extinguished just for the sake of hating Christianity.
t's like they are cowards or too woke or something.

So Christians are much better, because they criticize and dislike everyone else?

Like there´s one pre-school here which wouldn´t want to have Christmas tree this year, but it still does all the other stuff. So everyone and their right wing mother came out of some corner, stating that the world has gone insane when none values the traditions any more, and some former minister stating, that if they don´t want to have a Christmas tree, they perhaps have to think about having it opened over the holidays. That is usually what Christianity here is about - and i´m sure i´ts not too different anywhere else, and there might be some exception, who just honestly believe in their faith - and don´t care much about other people and their faith

The Christians party here has a new party program, which says that Islam is also a part of Germany, if they respect traditional values. Why only Islam and Muslim people?

And to respond to it - it may be that the dominant religion there is Christian - not some other one. Nothing about being deeply ingrained, except they are victim of child abuse in some Church group as kid.

No, actually I would say Christians are better because they love everyone else, compared to the other 2 Abrahamic religions in particular. And I think this is evident fromall of the good for humanity Christians have done over the past thousand years.

Honestly that person probably just doesn't like the change. Europe in general had been predominantly Christian for a very very very long time. Basically most of the duration where they were actually powerful civilizations, with the notable exception of Rome.
Also there's the fact that Secular governments have a TERRIBLE track record when it comes to human rights and mass murder. So I think many may have a deep-rooted fear about this; society as a whole losing their faith and morals in favor of worshiping the state instead.

[Triple G]

Oprindeligt skrevet af :D:

actually I would say Christians are better

And this is usually the big mistake any religion, country, group or individuals make. That´s why we can´t have peace.

[envirovore]

There's a couple songs by Corporate Avenger I really want to drop in this thread now.

[Grendalcat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dal420:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grendalcat:

You must be joking.

No. Dead serious.

Where's the joke?

Did some Christians hogtie you and force you to celebrate our holiday?

Doubt it.

Are you under penalty of death for not celebrating Christmas?

No.

Therefore, nobody is forcing you.

True, nobody is forcing ME. However, in my conversations with co-workers over the years, I discovered that about 1/3 of them do not like Christmas, would rather not be bothered with it, but felt forced to participate by their families. So they are effectively being forced, when the only alternative is social stigmatizing by their own families.

[xDDD]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grendalcat:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dal420:

No. Dead serious.

Where's the joke?

Did some Christians hogtie you and force you to celebrate our holiday?

Doubt it.

Are you under penalty of death for not celebrating Christmas?

No.

Therefore, nobody is forcing you.

True, nobody is forcing ME. However, in my conversations with co-workers over the years, I discovered that about 1/3 of them do not like Christmas, would rather not be bothered with it, but felt forced to participate by their families. So they are effectively being forced, when the only alternative is social stigmatizing by their own families.

Good. People are better off having close ties with their family and actually seeing them instead of staying alone and isolated like we've been conditioned to.

But still nobody is forcing them. There is literally nothing stopping from them from ignoring Christmas to the chagrin of their families.
Or as the zoomers might say: Sounds like a skill issue.

[Grendalcat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af :D:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Grendalcat:

True, nobody is forcing ME. However, in my conversations with co-workers over the years, I discovered that about 1/3 of them do not like Christmas, would rather not be bothered with it, but felt forced to participate by their families. So they are effectively being forced, when the only alternative is social stigmatizing by their own families.

Good. People are better off having close ties with their family and actually seeing them instead of staying alone and isolated like we've been conditioned to.

But still nobody is forcing them. There is literally nothing stopping from them from ignoring Christmas to the chagrin of their families.
Or as the zoomers might say: Sounds like a skill issue.

I guess you think people being stigmatized by their families is funny. I think otherwise.

[EASY PETE]

i kicked my dynam...

[rigomrtsfx2001]

with the way the world has changed from the virus and family members who have passed away and the wars today Christmas will never be the shame.......... it does not have the feelings it use to have