Do you celebrate Christmas?

[Donald Trump]

why dont all religions just get together on this day and just... have fun?

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envirovore の投稿を引用：

tiny E の投稿を引用：

I used to, but now it's Festivus for the rest of us.

Amen! I'll get the pole!
Onto the airing of grievances!

And I've got a bone to pick with the lot of you!

[Dom]

RRW359 の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

It's been estimated that national holidays cost hundreds of billions of dollars annually to the US. This is due to the fact that economy, logistics, productivity etc. shut down for those holidays and no growth is generated.

Christmas spending is at best tens of billions. It's actually net negative.

It would be much better if holidays were more evenly distributed. So that when one person is having a holiday, there are other people working and keeping the society up and running. Right now because of the special days, everyone's off-duty. The effects of that are significant.

In the US holidays aren't mandatory like a lot of other countries though, for example in Canada and the UK most employers are either required to or have heavy incentive to give employees the day off paid. In the US we have no such laws and there aren't really any reasons to not be open and have employees work holidays (which most of us will do since we aren't getting paid for not working holidays and the nature of at-will employment means we can be fired for not doing so).

Yes, approximately one in four of the workforce in America work on Christmas, this is true and should be acknowledged. But that's still 75% off work, which is a significant number.

94% of companies offer paid time off during Christmas.
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_with_paid_time_off_in_the_United_States )

[Dom]

Dal420 の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

It's been estimated that national holidays cost hundreds of billions of dollars annually to the US. This is due to the fact that economy, logistics, productivity etc. shut down for those holidays and no growth is generated.

Christmas spending is at best tens of billions. It's actually net negative.

It would be much better if holidays were more evenly distributed. So that when one person is having a holiday, there are other people working and keeping the society up and running. Right now because of the special days, everyone's off-duty. The effects of that are significant.

Not sure where you get your statistics, but I'll go along with it.

Even if that is true, not EVERYONE takes the day off. What?

Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, the Jewish community... none of them celebrate Christmas, so, most of the m are still working.

Do you mean that just no store should shut down at all?

I guess, if there are enough people who don't celebrate Christmas at some point and they have the manpower to do so, they probably would.

Regardless, the entire economy doesn't just shut down on December 25th. That's nonsense.

I meant that a big portion of economy shuts down, though not all of it. Non-essential workforce especially. Around 19 out of 20 private companies offer paid holiday on Christmas, and, 75% of the country's workforce isn't at work on Christmas. This has significant effects on economy when only 25% is operating, and I don't know how anyone could deny that.

My point is that there are people having holiday on Christmas who don't share the spirit of that day. For the economy, it would be much better if they had the holiday some other day. This is a fact.

[Dal420]

Dom の投稿を引用：

RRW359 の投稿を引用：

In the US holidays aren't mandatory like a lot of other countries though, for example in Canada and the UK most employers are either required to or have heavy incentive to give employees the day off paid. In the US we have no such laws and there aren't really any reasons to not be open and have employees work holidays (which most of us will do since we aren't getting paid for not working holidays and the nature of at-will employment means we can be fired for not doing so).

Yes, approximately one in four of the workforce in America work on Christmas, this is true and should be acknowledged. But that's still 75% off work, which is a significant number.

94% of companies offer paid time off during Christmas.
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_with_paid_time_off_in_the_United_States )

So, are you proposing something like a secondary secular Christmas (or Xmas I should say) for all non-believers?

I'm behind that.

Let Christians celebrate Christmas, and everyone else that is so stressed out by it and offended can go do their own thing and leave us alone.

Not at all in the spirit of the season, but damn, that would be refreshing.

Unfortunately, Christmas is the time of year when Christians get downright annoying. We just get so excited about the whole celebration that we simply cannot seem to keep it to ourselves.

[envirovore]

tiny E の投稿を引用：

envirovore の投稿を引用：

Amen! I'll get the pole!
Onto the airing of grievances!

And I've got a bone to pick with the lot of you!

I'd award you if I had the points to do so currently.
/Would lol again

[RRW359]

Dom の投稿を引用：

RRW359 の投稿を引用：

In the US holidays aren't mandatory like a lot of other countries though, for example in Canada and the UK most employers are either required to or have heavy incentive to give employees the day off paid. In the US we have no such laws and there aren't really any reasons to not be open and have employees work holidays (which most of us will do since we aren't getting paid for not working holidays and the nature of at-will employment means we can be fired for not doing so).

Yes, approximately one in four of the workforce in America work on Christmas, this is true and should be acknowledged. But that's still 75% off work, which is a significant number.

94% of companies offer paid time off during Christmas.
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_with_paid_time_off_in_the_United_States )

Does "94% of companies" count all companies as equal regardless of size and if offering holiday PTO is universal among employees or just for certain positions? The only thing worse then working Christmas is working Christmas and not being able to contact management because they are all off.

[Hobbit XIII]

Yiffy the furry LGBT Cat の投稿を引用：

why dont all religions just get together on this day and just... have fun?

We did it was called WW1 and WW2.

[Dom]

Dal420 の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

Yes, approximately one in four of the workforce in America work on Christmas, this is true and should be acknowledged. But that's still 75% off work, which is a significant number.

94% of companies offer paid time off during Christmas.
( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holidays_with_paid_time_off_in_the_United_States )

So, are you proposing something like a secondary secular Christmas (or Xmas I should say) for all non-believers?

I'm behind that.

Let Christians celebrate Christmas, and everyone else that is so stressed out by it and offended can go do their own thing and leave us alone.

Not at all in the spirit of the season, but damn, that would be refreshing.

Unfortunately, Christmas is the time of year when Christians get downright annoying. We just get so excited about the whole celebration that we simply cannot seem to keep it to ourselves.

There are a lot of things that have to be done. One concrete example is how some people are forced to have the holiday on Christmas despite not celebrating it at all because their workplace essentially shuts down.

A lot of people being off-work during Christmas is based on the fact that they can't work, not because they celebrate it. When 75% of the total workforce becomes paralyzed for few days, this has consequences. We should aim to have a more individualist approach where people who celebrate Christmas have the day off and people who do not, don't. Not to mention, people who celebrate Christmas are going to continue with their Christmas spending so this will not change either.

We should distribute holidays more evenly and not have a massive snowball at the end of December so the effects are not as severe.

[Dal420]

lankaras の投稿を引用：

Yiffy the furry LGBT Cat の投稿を引用：

why dont all religions just get together on this day and just... have fun?

Because they can't agree on which day it should be.

That wouldn't even be Christmas though.

It would just be... Universal Fun Day, or some pointless tripe.

I'll stick with Christmas, but I'm not going to stop anyone else.

[Dal420]

Hobbit XIII の投稿を引用：

Yiffy the furry LGBT Cat の投稿を引用：

why dont all religions just get together on this day and just... have fun?

We did it was called WW1 and WW2.

Lmao. This shouldn't be funny.

But it's true, so it is.

[envirovore]

Dom の投稿を引用：

Dal420 の投稿を引用：

So, are you proposing something like a secondary secular Christmas (or Xmas I should say) for all non-believers?

I'm behind that.

Let Christians celebrate Christmas, and everyone else that is so stressed out by it and offended can go do their own thing and leave us alone.

Not at all in the spirit of the season, but damn, that would be refreshing.

Unfortunately, Christmas is the time of year when Christians get downright annoying. We just get so excited about the whole celebration that we simply cannot seem to keep it to ourselves.

There are a lot of things that have to be done. One concrete example is how some people are forced to have the holiday on Christmas despite not celebrating it at all because their workplace essentially shuts down.

A lot of people being off-work during Christmas is based on the fact that they can't work, not because they celebrate it. When 75% of the total workforce becomes paralyzed for few days, this has consequences. We should aim to have a more individualist approach where people who celebrate Christmas have the day off and people who do not, don't. Not to mention, people who celebrate Christmas are going to continue with their Christmas spending so this will not change either.

We should distribute holidays more evenly and not have a massive snowball at the end of December so the effects are not as severe.

There are service industries that regardless of the beliefs of the people that work there must continue to operate on any holiday.
Emergency Roadside Service programs (such as AAA) for example. Be s.o.l. if you needed your car towed due to breaking down while enroute to your families place if someone wasn't there to take your call, or a driver to actually tow it.

For years I'd hear "I'm sorry you have to work today" on holidays from people needing assistance, without a single one of them actually thanking me for being available on a holiday to get them help, nor realizing the entire reason people in those jobs need to work holidays is due to everyone else having it off and travelling.

[Dom]

envirovore の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

There are a lot of things that have to be done. One concrete example is how some people are forced to have the holiday on Christmas despite not celebrating it at all because their workplace essentially shuts down.

A lot of people being off-work during Christmas is based on the fact that they can't work, not because they celebrate it. When 75% of the total workforce becomes paralyzed for few days, this has consequences. We should aim to have a more individualist approach where people who celebrate Christmas have the day off and people who do not, don't. Not to mention, people who celebrate Christmas are going to continue with their Christmas spending so this will not change either.

We should distribute holidays more evenly and not have a massive snowball at the end of December so the effects are not as severe.

There are service industries that regardless of the beliefs of the people that work there must continue to operate on any holiday.
Emergency Roadside Service programs (such as AAA) for example. Be s.o.l. if you needed your car towed due to breaking down while enroute to your families place if someone wasn't there to take your call, or a driver to actually tow it.

For years I'd hear "I'm sorry you have to work today" on holidays from people needing assistance, without a single one of them actually thanking me for being available on a holiday to get them help, nor realizing the entire reason people in those jobs need to work holidays is due to everyone else having it off and travelling.

And the fact that people say "sorry" sort of demonstrates that it's seen as an exception. In my mind, it's kind of unfortunate that there are people working on Christmas who would like to have that day off while at the same time there are a lot of people who don't celebrate Christmas having the day off because they are not allowed to work on Christmas.

I think the systems could be organized better, for the benefit of everyone.

[RRW359]

Dom の投稿を引用：

Dal420 の投稿を引用：

So, are you proposing something like a secondary secular Christmas (or Xmas I should say) for all non-believers?

I'm behind that.

Let Christians celebrate Christmas, and everyone else that is so stressed out by it and offended can go do their own thing and leave us alone.

Not at all in the spirit of the season, but damn, that would be refreshing.

Unfortunately, Christmas is the time of year when Christians get downright annoying. We just get so excited about the whole celebration that we simply cannot seem to keep it to ourselves.

There are a lot of things that have to be done. One concrete example is how some people are forced to have the holiday on Christmas despite not celebrating it at all because their workplace essentially shuts down.

A lot of people being off-work during Christmas is based on the fact that they can't work, not because they celebrate it. When 75% of the total workforce becomes paralyzed for few days, this has consequences. We should aim to have a more individualist approach where people who celebrate Christmas have the day off and people who do not, don't. Not to mention, people who celebrate Christmas are going to continue with their Christmas spending so this will not change either.

We should distribute holidays more evenly and not have a massive snowball at the end of December so the effects are not as severe.

Part of the reason people take December off all at once is that when you do get PTO it often doesn't roll over to next year. Even if you didn't plan to take that time off why waste the vacation time you were saving for a rainy day that never ended up happening?

[Psycho]

yep. I'd like it if there weren't any presents involved, but that's how my whole family celebrates it so i do it too

[Dom]

RRW359 の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

There are a lot of things that have to be done. One concrete example is how some people are forced to have the holiday on Christmas despite not celebrating it at all because their workplace essentially shuts down.

A lot of people being off-work during Christmas is based on the fact that they can't work, not because they celebrate it. When 75% of the total workforce becomes paralyzed for few days, this has consequences. We should aim to have a more individualist approach where people who celebrate Christmas have the day off and people who do not, don't. Not to mention, people who celebrate Christmas are going to continue with their Christmas spending so this will not change either.

We should distribute holidays more evenly and not have a massive snowball at the end of December so the effects are not as severe.

Part of the reason people take December off all at once is that when you do get PTO it often doesn't roll over to next year. Even if you didn't plan to take that time off why waste the vacation time you were saving for a rainy day that never ended up happening?

Kind of. Unless you do travelling (vacations) or have very special times during the year, it is possible that you have some paid time off in the "bank", which resets once the year changes. A lot of people also don't want to spend paid time offs and do nothing, so they may have trouble figuring it out. I think people should start planning early what they are going to do. Like for instance, I book my vacations and trips almost a year before the departure.