Elon Musk says DEI must DIE

[Azza ☠]

Super smart genius and rich billionaire Elon Musk says "DEI must DIE"

DEI = Diversity, Equity and Inclusion

Musk suggests that they are just propaganda words!

Tesla however supports DEI and even highlighted it's efforts for it back in the Impact Reports for 2022.

Does this confirm that Elon Musk is attempting to kill off his own Tesla company? That he isn't satisfied just killing off xTwitter and has a strong lust to destroy even more businesses?

[Irene ❤]

If DEI must DIE

Then it means
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion must also Diversity Inclusion and Equity.

[Azza ☠]

Escrito originalmente por BlackBloodRum:

Totally off topic since I just spotted the name... Azza.. are you the same AzzA that suffered a mutiny a number of years ago? Could be a totally different person though.

Azza is an online slang word for Aaron, so could of been another. You would have to clarify what mutiny too? I don't really care for authority or patriotism if that's what you are trying to get at, I rather tend to question it a lot.

[Azza ☠]

Escrito originalmente por Irene ❤:

If DEI must DIE

Then it means
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion must also Diversity Inclusion and Equity.

The first logical answer to my question lol

[Lokaror]

Escrito originalmente por :D:

Escrito originalmente por Azza ☠:

The employee equal opportunity act is rather fair in New Zealand, not so sure about your DEI, but something needs to be there to at least allow complains to be addressed if anyone feels they are treated unfairly. It doesn't matter if it's their race, gender, or a disorder, etc. Given they shouldn't also be given priority over others, you want to keep it equal.

It WAS equal already! This is the most frustrating part about it to people who aren't total ideological idiots.
It has been illegal for a very very long time to discriminate based on race, gender, or disorder. People can sue companies for discrimination and potentially win a lot of money. Much like the "wage gap" this is literally a non-issue that they are pretending is an issue.

You seem to be misunderstanding what DEI actually means. DEI means Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. It isn't equality, it's equity. As in, giving unfair advantages to certain races and groups to "level the playing field" so to speak.

Yes, because employers never do anything illegal and for sure don't have many more cards that their employees do in any court case, if they even get to the case.

I have no horse in the DEI race but acting like just because employees *can sue* and sometimes do win in cases like stolen wages, wage gaps, sexual harassment, illegal firings and company practices means its still not happening in huge numbers is beyond silly. In so many of these cases employees don't have the resources to even engage in this lawsuits, let alone the paid judges and lawyers companies do. Companies know that, still do it and take the cases they do as a slap on the wrist.

[BlackBloodGhost]

Escrito originalmente por Azza ☠:

Escrito originalmente por BlackBloodRum:

Totally off topic since I just spotted the name... Azza.. are you the same AzzA that suffered a mutiny a number of years ago? Could be a totally different person though.

Azza is an online slang word for Aaron, so could of been another. You would have to clarify what mutiny too? I don't really care for authority or patriotism if that's what you are trying to get at, I rather tend to question it a lot.

Fair enough. Almost certainly a different guy, the skull and crossbones did make me wonder though. If you were, you'd know.

Never mind, carry on!

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Escrito originalmente por Azza ☠:

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

Yeah...I unsubscribed to the topic and he's going to get the Dom treatment from now on...he's from New Zealand kind of funny that a guy from such an extremist nation could live in such a glass house...and yet throw stones.

Oh the from New Zealand xenophobia discredit! Wow is that the best you can do? I hope the Dom treatment is better.

There's no xenophobia just a simply observation of your countries authoritarian laws. For instance your country jails people for "inciting racial disharmony" so supporting something like DEI if it was in your own country could land you jail.....wait...maybe I was too harsh on New Zealand if they would/could jail people for encouraging racial disharmony. Isn't that what you're doing right now? Are you sure you're not breaking the law by supporting this racist program?

I don't want to see you in jail but if a New Zealander can be jailed for encouraging racial disharmony it'd be the ultimate "damn brah I told you so"

[Azza ☠]

Escrito originalmente por Lokaror:

Escrito originalmente por :D:

It WAS equal already! This is the most frustrating part about it to people who aren't total ideological idiots.
It has been illegal for a very very long time to discriminate based on race, gender, or disorder. People can sue companies for discrimination and potentially win a lot of money. Much like the "wage gap" this is literally a non-issue that they are pretending is an issue.

You seem to be misunderstanding what DEI actually means. DEI means Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. It isn't equality, it's equity. As in, giving unfair advantages to certain races and groups to "level the playing field" so to speak.

Yes, because employers never do anything illegal and for sure don't have many more cards that their employees do in any court case, if they even get to the case.

I have no horse in the DEI race but acting like just because employees *can sue* and sometimes do win in cases like stolen wages, wage gaps, sexual harassment, illegal firings and company practices means its still not happening in huge numbers is beyond silly. In so many of these cases employees don't have the resources to even engage in this lawsuits, let alone the paid judges and lawyers companies do. Companies know that, still do it and take the cases they do as a slap on the wrist.

I don't believe the DEI is such a risk to have around, it give someone who assumes they are being discriminated against unfairly a third party to talk with and confirm or deny... after that they need to go off to court with an actual judge and still follow the law. It's not just a single bias person enforcing it as far as I'm aware.

[Acetyl]

Escrito originalmente por Apollo702:

After reading a bunch of OP's posts I see nothing but endless conspiracy buzzword bingo.

I guess there are reasons why I don't come back very often.

OP is going on block.

Interesting. I climbed a mountain some months ago and for whatever reason this forum and "Apollo702" came to my mind. I took a moment to direct some energy and intention to you repairing your body and going back to whatever you're supposed to be doing. A day or two later you stopped posting and were gone for several months. I was like, nice, I wish him the best.

Now the knucklehead is back, same lability, same implicit neediness, same nonsense. What the hell is wrong with you? You've probably blocked (and loudly announced, should be a bannable offense) 80% of the forum by now. Beat it buddy, and stay gone this time. And quit your whining. It's unbecoming of a grown man. Have some self respect.

You can do it.

[Azza ☠]

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

Escrito originalmente por Azza ☠:

Oh the from New Zealand xenophobia discredit! Wow is that the best you can do? I hope the Dom treatment is better.

There's no xenophobia just a simply observation of your countries authoritarian laws. For instance your country jails people for "inciting racial disharmony" so supporting something like DEI if it was in your own country could land you jail.....wait...maybe I was too harsh on New Zealand if they would/could jail people for encouraging racial disharmony. Isn't that what you're doing right now? Are you sure you're not breaking the law by supporting this racist program?

I don't want to see you in jail but if a New Zealander can be jailed for encouraging racial disharmony it'd be the ultimate "damn brah I told you so"

I'm not even supporting your DEI, rather questioning it and wondering why it "must die" from a person known for possible racism, antisemitism, discrimination, transphobia, slandering others as pedos, and multiple sexual harassment cases himself... Remember back when I actually agreed with one of your many posts that actually contained some logic and reason to why you personally dislike the DEI? You assumed it could unbalance it the other way, from one extreme to the other. That's a fair statement to be concerned with.

I also have real freedom of speech here.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Escrito originalmente por Azza ☠:

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

There's no xenophobia just a simply observation of your countries authoritarian laws. For instance your country jails people for "inciting racial disharmony" so supporting something like DEI if it was in your own country could land you jail.....wait...maybe I was too harsh on New Zealand if they would/could jail people for encouraging racial disharmony. Isn't that what you're doing right now? Are you sure you're not breaking the law by supporting this racist program?

I don't want to see you in jail but if a New Zealander can be jailed for encouraging racial disharmony it'd be the ultimate "damn brah I told you so"

I'm not even supporting your DEI, rather questioning it. Remember back when I actually agreed with one of your many posts that actually contained some logic and reason to why you personally dislike the DEI? You assumed it could unbalance it the other way, from one extreme to the other. That's a fair statement to be concerned with.

It sounds like you're encouraging racial disharmony while Elon Musk is trying to alleviate it.

Where you aware of your countries hate-speech laws considering supporting things like DEI?

Did you know that there's organization within your country that report people who've committed hate speech?

https://www.crimestoppers-nz.org/


Seems odd that you'd be against Elon Musk opposition to something he views as causing racial strife. Or that you'd be against more of a "free speech" platform that's separate from the government and it's many consequences.

[xDDD]

Escrito originalmente por Lokaror:

Yes, because employers never do anything illegal and for sure don't have many more cards that their employees do in any court case, if they even get to the case.

I have no horse in the DEI race but acting like just because employees *can sue* and sometimes do win in cases like stolen wages, wage gaps, sexual harassment, illegal firings and company practices means its still not happening in huge numbers is beyond silly. In so many of these cases employees don't have the resources to even engage in this lawsuits, let alone the paid judges and lawyers companies do. Companies know that, still do it and take the cases they do as a slap on the wrist.

Giving unfair advantages to certain races or groups IS racist. In my eyes passing up a potential hire that fits a workplace just because he is "not diverse enough" is just as racist as hiring not hiring someone for the color of their skin (because it is literally the same thing).

TO put it simply: DEI isn't righting the wrongs, it is flipping the wrongs in the other direction.

[Azza ☠]

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

Escrito originalmente por Azza ☠:

I'm not even supporting your DEI, rather questioning it. Remember back when I actually agreed with one of your many posts that actually contained some logic and reason to why you personally dislike the DEI? You assumed it could unbalance it the other way, from one extreme to the other. That's a fair statement to be concerned with.

It sounds like you're encouraging racial disharmony while Elon Musk is trying to alleviate it.

Where you aware of your countries hate-speech laws considering supporting things like DEI?

Did you know that there's organization within your country that report people who've committed hate speech?

https://www.crimestoppers-nz.org/


Seems odd that you'd be against Elon Musk opposition to something he views as causing racial strife. Or that you'd be against more of a "free speech" platform that's separate from the government and it's many consequences.

We also have NetSafe: https://netsafe.org.nz/
and IC3: https://www.ic3.gov/

I happen to work in IT Security and have a side-hobby as a scam-baiter, so I'm quite aware.

1. Create a baseline
2. Look for deviations
3. Notice clusters of gestures
4. Compare and contrast
5. Look into the mirror
6. Identify the strong voice
7. Observe how they walk
8. Pinpoint action words
9. Look for personality clues

I personally love the mirror myself. Mirror neurons are built-in monitors in our brain that reflect other people’s state of mind. We are wired to read one another’s body language. Given online language is a lot harder to read as a person themself could give off a lot more emotional signals.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

Escrito originalmente por :D:

Escrito originalmente por Lokaror:

Yes, because employers never do anything illegal and for sure don't have many more cards that their employees do in any court case, if they even get to the case.

I have no horse in the DEI race but acting like just because employees *can sue* and sometimes do win in cases like stolen wages, wage gaps, sexual harassment, illegal firings and company practices means its still not happening in huge numbers is beyond silly. In so many of these cases employees don't have the resources to even engage in this lawsuits, let alone the paid judges and lawyers companies do. Companies know that, still do it and take the cases they do as a slap on the wrist.

Giving unfair advantages to certain races or groups IS racist. In my eyes passing up a potential hire that fits a workplace just because he is "not diverse enough" is just as racist as hiring not hiring someone for the color of their skin (because it is literally the same thing).

TO put it simply: DEI isn't righting the wrongs, it is flipping the wrongs in the other direction.

And those wrongs...those wrongs were created by the same folks who think DEI is a good idea...maybe we should stop believing that their goal is to right wrongs, and instead their goal is to cause these problems so they can use those problems to get elected.

[Lokaror]

Escrito originalmente por :D:

Escrito originalmente por Lokaror:

Yes, because employers never do anything illegal and for sure don't have many more cards that their employees do in any court case, if they even get to the case.

I have no horse in the DEI race but acting like just because employees *can sue* and sometimes do win in cases like stolen wages, wage gaps, sexual harassment, illegal firings and company practices means its still not happening in huge numbers is beyond silly. In so many of these cases employees don't have the resources to even engage in this lawsuits, let alone the paid judges and lawyers companies do. Companies know that, still do it and take the cases they do as a slap on the wrist.

Giving unfair advantages to certain races or groups IS racist. In my eyes passing up a potential hire that fits a workplace just because he is "not diverse enough" is just as racist as hiring not hiring someone for the color of their skin (because it is literally the same thing).

TO put it simply: DEI isn't righting the wrongs, it is flipping the wrongs in the other direction.

Being honest the few jobs i have gotten has been due to programs like DEI (but for folks with disabilities and who need help getting jobs) and i was still not hired for many of the job applications because of my issues. Employers didn't say that's why but after so many applications you figure when you are just not a good fit and when employers who say they want to hire all equally believe you'd be a burden without trying you out. So while i understand what you are saying, i don't think i'd agree with it unless i saw each policy as written. I'm sure there are many who would say i was hired in those jobs and took them from abled people and that would be discrimination. Naturally i disagree. Regardless i'd look at each policy as presented and judge it on its own merits than support or throw out the idea entirely.

[swillfly]

never twitter so don't care