Mega Ultra Chicken (已封鎖) 2023 年 12 月 12 日 上午 4:58
Are robots and AI girlfriends good or bad?
On one hand, it could be a threat to human relationships. On the other hand, it can be better than ending up alone.
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Rebecca 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:35 
引用自 RRW359
引用自 Rebecca

Sentience requires things such as emotions (which require the body, not just the mind), creativity (which requires emotions), an awareness of mortality etc. That's why AI could never be sentient, you can't synthesise any of that.
I'm not asking if having a Human body is a prerequisite to sentience, I'm asking how you prove another Human is sentient in a way an AI couldn't trick someone into thinking they are.

Also there are people with less/more emotions then others and less/more awareness of their own mortality, saying those are prerequisites makes it sound like some people are more sentient then others.

Emotions involving both the body and mind is essential to my point. For instance feeling fear is not just in the mind but is visceral; your heart rate increases, you feel sick, sweat, etc. A robot/AI could tell you that its afraid but it would have no heart rate, stomach or ability to sweat. It would just be mimicking facial expressions and body language and that would only superficially indicate fear. It wouldn't be able to actually feel fear for itself.

Everyone would know what if feels like to be afraid, angry, happy etc even if their emotions are dulled for whatever reason. That's the basic reptilian brain.

As for mortality, the majority of people would be aware of that unless they are extremely mentally impaired and have no conscious awareness. If we're talking about sentience in a general sense, they yes the assumption is about a fully functional brain; not an impaired one. But that's an extreme example and is besides the point. Though young children do not understand mortality because their brains are still developing, they are aware of themselves and their environments, they have personalities etc.
最後修改者:Rebecca; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:39
MinionJoe 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:36 
Five pages in and no one has posted the PSA video from Futurama yet?
Tiberius 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:53 
i'd tap that GLaDOS ass
Soft Wumbo 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:54 
imagine, get killed while having sex with robot gf
Mega Ultra Chicken (已封鎖) 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 6:56 
引用自 Wumbo
imagine, get killed while having sex with robot gf
They're like the female robots from Austin Powers with the boob guns
Enigmatic 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 7:00 
Well I watched the newer blade runner movie.
honestly it's not very palatable. I didn't enjoy it and I'm very dismissive of the main protagonist for such a thing. It's a loss in humanity that is for sure.

引用自 steven1mac
the robot girl/boyfriend is a good place to start to get rid of the unwanted population.

That doesn't get rid of them unless the robot kills them. It only removes possibility of their offspring.
最後修改者:Enigmatic; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 7:01
RRW359 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 7:10 
引用自 Rebecca
引用自 RRW359
I'm not asking if having a Human body is a prerequisite to sentience, I'm asking how you prove another Human is sentient in a way an AI couldn't trick someone into thinking they are.

Also there are people with less/more emotions then others and less/more awareness of their own mortality, saying those are prerequisites makes it sound like some people are more sentient then others.

Emotions involving both the body and mind is essential to my point. For instance feeling fear is not just in the mind but is visceral; your heart rate increases, you feel sick, sweat, etc. A robot/AI could tell you that its afraid but it would have no heart rate, stomach or ability to sweat. It would just be mimicking facial expressions and body language and that would only superficially indicate fear. It wouldn't be able to actually feel fear for itself.

Everyone would know what if feels like to be afraid, angry, happy etc even if their emotions are dulled for whatever reason. That's the basic reptilian brain.

As for mortality, the majority of people would be aware of that unless they are extremely mentally impaired and have no conscious awareness. If we're talking about sentience in a general sense, they yes the assumption is about a fully functional brain; not an impaired one. But that's an extreme example and is besides the point. Though young children do not understand mortality because their brains are still developing, they are aware of themselves and their environments, they have personalities etc.
Again if it can make people think it's sentient this isn't about wheather it is, it's about wheather it's a different feeling to the buyer then another person who can not 100% prove they aren't just pretending to be as aware as the person they are talking to to the person they are talking to.

Also TIL only people with "fully functional" brains are sentient and basically nobody is before their 20's is either considering how they can't often comprehend the idea that stuff they do might kill them.
Acetyl 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 7:30 
引用自 MinionJoe
Five pages in and no one has posted the PSA video from Futurama yet?
That's a good thing. People need to stop laughing and memeing. Get out of the passive state and stay out of it.
Rebecca 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 8:02 
引用自 RRW359
引用自 Rebecca

Emotions involving both the body and mind is essential to my point. For instance feeling fear is not just in the mind but is visceral; your heart rate increases, you feel sick, sweat, etc. A robot/AI could tell you that its afraid but it would have no heart rate, stomach or ability to sweat. It would just be mimicking facial expressions and body language and that would only superficially indicate fear. It wouldn't be able to actually feel fear for itself.

Everyone would know what if feels like to be afraid, angry, happy etc even if their emotions are dulled for whatever reason. That's the basic reptilian brain.

As for mortality, the majority of people would be aware of that unless they are extremely mentally impaired and have no conscious awareness. If we're talking about sentience in a general sense, they yes the assumption is about a fully functional brain; not an impaired one. But that's an extreme example and is besides the point. Though young children do not understand mortality because their brains are still developing, they are aware of themselves and their environments, they have personalities etc.
Again if it can make people think it's sentient this isn't about wheather it is, it's about wheather it's a different feeling to the buyer then another person who can not 100% prove they aren't just pretending to be as aware as the person they are talking to to the person they are talking to.

Also TIL only people with "fully functional" brains are sentient and basically nobody is before their 20's is either considering how they can't often comprehend the idea that stuff they do might kill them.

I mentioned young children as an exceptional case, because their brains are still developing. By about 5-7 they understand that death is permanent. I was saying that they have enough other traits about them that do make them sentient. Just that when they are very young they don't understand death. Animals are sentient too even though they have a more basic brain function than us. They have emotions even if they don't have self awareness. Basically there are different levels is what I mean.

It is true though that teenagers and young adults don't have a full grasp of consequences, which would include mortality. The human brain finishes development at 25. But I didn't mean that anyone before that age isn't sentient. A child of 4 for instance would have a perfectly normal and functional brain for their age, would experience emotions and have thoughts and opinions of their own.

This actually reminds me a lot of the film A.I. Artificial Intelligence. I'm sure there also are people out there who would want to have robot children instead of having their own. But again it wouldn't be a real child and would just be meaningless. Robot pets too. All of it would be meaningless and bleak. You can't replace people, children or animals.
最後修改者:Rebecca; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 8:05
RRW359 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 8:09 
引用自 Rebecca
引用自 RRW359
Again if it can make people think it's sentient this isn't about wheather it is, it's about wheather it's a different feeling to the buyer then another person who can not 100% prove they aren't just pretending to be as aware as the person they are talking to to the person they are talking to.

Also TIL only people with "fully functional" brains are sentient and basically nobody is before their 20's is either considering how they can't often comprehend the idea that stuff they do might kill them.

I mentioned young children as an exceptional case, because their brains are still developing. By about 5-7 they understand that death is permanent. I was saying that they have enough other traits about them that do make them sentient. Just that when they are very young they don't understand death. Animals are sentient too even though they have a more basic brain function than us. They have emotions even if they don't have self awareness. Basically there are different levels is what I mean.

It is true though that teenagers and young adults don't have a full grasp of consequences, which would include mortality. The human brain finishes development at 25. But I didn't mean that anyone before that age isn't sentient. A child of 4 for instance would have a perfectly normal and functional brain for their age, would experience emotions and have thoughts and opinions of their own.

This actually reminds me a lot of the film A.I. Artificial Intelligence. I'm sure there also are people out there who would want to have robot children instead of having their own. But again it wouldn't be a real child and would just be meaningless. Robot pets too. All of it would be meaningless and bleak. You can't replace people, children or animals.
Bleaker then overpopulation and dwindling resources?
Goldias 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 9:38 
Good for me, but maybe not so good for humanity.

These robots/AI sole purpose is to make you feel good, might even assume a role of perfect couple while require very little responsibilities.

Once people get used to it real couple would be rare. Why would I need a pouting girlfriend when I can have ideal girl at home? Not only that, I can neglect or leave it alone for years and it will not throwing a tantrum.

Children is also another annoying factor I don't want to deal with.
Rebecca 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:42 
引用自 RRW359
引用自 Rebecca

I mentioned young children as an exceptional case, because their brains are still developing. By about 5-7 they understand that death is permanent. I was saying that they have enough other traits about them that do make them sentient. Just that when they are very young they don't understand death. Animals are sentient too even though they have a more basic brain function than us. They have emotions even if they don't have self awareness. Basically there are different levels is what I mean.

It is true though that teenagers and young adults don't have a full grasp of consequences, which would include mortality. The human brain finishes development at 25. But I didn't mean that anyone before that age isn't sentient. A child of 4 for instance would have a perfectly normal and functional brain for their age, would experience emotions and have thoughts and opinions of their own.

This actually reminds me a lot of the film A.I. Artificial Intelligence. I'm sure there also are people out there who would want to have robot children instead of having their own. But again it wouldn't be a real child and would just be meaningless. Robot pets too. All of it would be meaningless and bleak. You can't replace people, children or animals.
Bleaker then overpopulation and dwindling resources?

People just need to stop breeding. They won't though. The world is just screwed and that's all there is to it. But if robots did become a replacement for people the value of human life would be even less than it already is and everyone would be even more lonely and depressed than they were before. A world like that is even worse than the one we have now. As much as I love cyberpunk stories, I don't actually want to live in one. They're dystopian; they're supposed to reflect the worst that our society could get. They aren't something to aspire to.
Rebecca 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:47 
引用自 BlackDragon875
引用自 Rebecca
Having an AI girlfriend/robot is the same as being alone, but actually worse because it wouldn't be alive or have its own consciousness. You'd just have the illusion of it being alive. It wouldn't love you. You'd be having a fake relationship with something that doesn't really exist. At least being alone would mean living in reality. I recommend watching Blade Runner 2049. Illustrates this in such a bleak and disturbing way.
Another positive thing about robots is they might cut down on the amount of sex workers or sex crimes in general.

This is something I thought about in the past too. But I came to the conclusion that is would do more harm than good. While it would reduce the demand for prostitutes and strippers, there are going to be men that want real women.

Especially because they can hurt real women while you can't hurt a robot. With a prostitute or stripper, the appeal for men seems to be having power over someone else. You can't have power over something that isn't alive. I'm sure also that screwing a robot is going to feel pretty dead and lifeless. Like screwing a reanimated corpse. Real women would therefore be highly coveted. Just like real animals were coveted in Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, for the pet trade as robot animals just aren't the same as the real thing.

As for sex crimes, men that want to do that to a woman want power over her, to control and to hurt her. Again, they can't do that to a robot. They aren't alive and can't feel pain. You also can't kill one either.

Also, having female robots available for that purpose just underlines even more how women in general are valued mainly for what they can sexually provide for men.
最後修改者:Rebecca; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:59
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