How much of a boob must be covered

[Fajita Jim]

to be publicly decent?

It seems pretty arbitrary at this point, doesn't it?

[Χάρης]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fajita Jim:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Χάρης:

It depends on the country and its culture/ religion.

But personally, I think that big titties look better when a bit uncovered. Small ones uncovered, not so aesthetic.

Anything more than a handful is a waste.

Each to their own. But I honestly think size doesn't matter when it comes to tits (except if they are completely flat).

[nullpo]

At least from bottom to nipples

[Fake]

People that you see nude in public are people that you DON'T want to see nude in public. . . .

[Stranger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fake:

People that you see nude in public are people that you DON'T want to see nude in public. . . .

yeah they call the cops on the ones you want to see.

[Devsman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dr. Johnny Fever:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Devsman:

I forgot about that.

Truth be told, the whole thing was indecent.

It was planned since she had a nipple sticker on. So yea that was pre-planned.

Well, what I mean is, the one second part of that halftime show that everyone flipped their lids over was not by any means the only objectionable part.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

you ask "to be decent"

on the beech a bit of cleavage is ok. a normal fitting bathing suit is fine (a bikini for those with large braest I would consider to exposed.)

sunbathing topless is somewhat normal here and it is not against the law to walk around naked even in the cities.. but I would still call that uncecent.

when not on the beach so in a setting where you should wear clothes I'd see no cleaavge.. so clothes must cover high enough that you dont see any boob.it is ok to see neck and a bit of chest.. but make sure that were the hills and the valley start... you have clothes covering that.

example :
https://i.etsystatic.com/5301356/r/il/a6a8f6/1545962719/il_570xN.1545962719_9fxk.jpg

note how this coveres the breats nicely yet still has bare chest and neck.. this is acceptable.

[Morkonan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Triple G:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Morkonan:

This is what happens when someone only considers an opinion based upon their view of religion.

Nah - i think people would still cover their breasts if it´s e.g. cold in the winter - independent of what the religion says. But the difference is seeing it as stupid, or indecent, or morally incorrect.

You know that "decency" is also a cultural thing, right? It's not limited to "religion."

.. But the view on nudity in very religious countries is usually different to the view on it in other countries, even if they have the same cultural background. Like i guess most Europeans would guess that Americans overdo it a bit, as they sometimes handle it like in medieval times, so i guess one can easily draw a connection between being Christian and the view on nudity and sexuality, without "only being based on the own view on a religion".

Well, you did start out with:

2,000 years of Christian culture...

Therefore a male breast is fine, but a female breast would need to be hidden, because it´s the apple thingy. Sin and such....

That's not really possible to separate from the rest of your statements.


It is true that religion can influence cultural norms.

But, it's not the only influence. If there are topless bathers in France, Spain, Italy, etc... and that's not unusual, are they all atheists? What if they are otherwise very conservative religious people?

Religion can be an influence on the cultural norms for clothing. But, that doesn't mean it must be one and it doesn't mean other cultural influences don't exist or can't exist alongside it as influences on cultural norms.

Is there an industrialized country where it is culturally normal for women to go shopping in public bare-chested? If not... then is that due to a religious imperative or are there some other cultural standards or practical reasons at work, here?

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Morkonan:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Triple G:

Nah - i think people would still cover their breasts if it´s e.g. cold in the winter - independent of what the religion says. But the difference is seeing it as stupid, or indecent, or morally incorrect.

You know that "decency" is also a cultural thing, right? It's not limited to "religion."

.. But the view on nudity in very religious countries is usually different to the view on it in other countries, even if they have the same cultural background. Like i guess most Europeans would guess that Americans overdo it a bit, as they sometimes handle it like in medieval times, so i guess one can easily draw a connection between being Christian and the view on nudity and sexuality, without "only being based on the own view on a religion".

Well, you did start out with:

2,000 years of Christian culture...

Therefore a male breast is fine, but a female breast would need to be hidden, because it´s the apple thingy. Sin and such....

That's not really possible to separate from the rest of your statements.


It is true that religion can influence cultural norms.

But, it's not the only influence. If there are topless bathers in France, Spain, Italy, etc... and that's not unusual, are they all atheists? What if they are otherwise very conservative religious people?

Religion can be an influence on the cultural norms for clothing. But, that doesn't mean it must be one and it doesn't mean other cultural influences don't exist or can't exist alongside it as influences on cultural norms.

Is there an industrialized country where it is culturally normal for women to go shopping in public bare-chested? If not... then is that due to a religious imperative or are there some other cultural standards or practical reasons at work, here?

I must say personally as an european I find the american obsession with nipples weird.
-> to me a breast is the whole thing...

and I find it very odd that americans are fine with a person walking with bare breasts but with 2 stickers on the nipples... but when a person walks with far less bare breasts.. but a nipple slips out.. they loose their minds...

to me there is no different to that nipple slipping out or staying in... ofc if you have so much cleavage that it CAN slip out.. you already have an undecent amount of cleavage to my tate.. but I don't get that arousal to OHHGHH I see a nipple..

some americans even blur MALE nipples thats even weirder..

[Candyy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kilésengati:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Candyy ♡:

But that is only the beach ,a very specific área...

Beaches are public though, such are nude greens. It's not like they are secluded here or anything. If you take a walk on the beach, you will inevitably go through a nude area. Non-nude bathers also go to nude beaches without giving a flying toss.

Being completely nude for leisure activities is at least tolerated here.

The only people that got pissed over them were some unsuspecting (and probably arch-catholic) Poles from across the border a while back. But to be fair, the first thing you see crossing the border into Germany via the beach during the summer are a sea of suns shining bright at you. xD

Public is, but not the same thing as a normal street

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Candyy ♡:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kilésengati:

Beaches are public though, such are nude greens. It's not like they are secluded here or anything. If you take a walk on the beach, you will inevitably go through a nude area. Non-nude bathers also go to nude beaches without giving a flying toss.

Being completely nude for leisure activities is at least tolerated here.

The only people that got pissed over them were some unsuspecting (and probably arch-catholic) Poles from across the border a while back. But to be fair, the first thing you see crossing the border into Germany via the beach during the summer are a sea of suns shining bright at you. xD

Public is, but not the same thing as a normal street

in my nation there is no law against public nudity
you want to walk naked or do any activity in my nation you totally can.

it is however very uncommon to do so.. if you walk ourside without shoes you likely will already be aproached by a policeman to veryfy why you do that.. to look if you are not an escaped mental patient...

if you walk naked you stick out and you bet some police officer will aproach you..

-if the officier deems you mentally ill you will get taken and psychialogically assesed by a shrink.

-there IS however a law that states you may not provoke..
-the very act of walking naked can be explained you do that "just to provoke"
**so you would need to pick your words very well to the officer to show you do it for a normal reason.. you can say "I am a nudist, and I just am shopping/traveling" or "my last pants ripped, and I needed to go outside"
-> don't quite ":it is my right to walk naked outside" for that can be explained you do it to provoke.

ofcourse how you walk naking matters.. if you make obscene movements or just bike naked through the city.. thats a big difference..

99.999% of the nation it is legal to walk nation as long you don't provoke..
there are zones excluded.. like within 50m near playgrounds, kindergardens and primary schools..

but most zones are fine.

but there is always a chance due it being very uncommon to walk naked.. an officer will arrest you and set you off at your home after a fine anyway...
->
or at least demand and send you home to get dressed.

but if you walk from the nudest beach to the normal beach to buy some icecream... nobody would do a thing bout that.. its not forbidden to be nude outside the nudist beach.. its forbidden to be cloithed ON the nudist bach..

the nudist beach is there to prevent nudists against anoying stares.. not to prevent others from seeing naked people.

[Triple G]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Morkonan:

That's not really possible to separate from the rest of your statements.

Yes - because it is not really possible to separate anyways - because any other idea is only theory. To really know which influence it would have - we would need to have a parallel reality, in which there wasn´t a Christian influence. Speaking of Europe - and whatever Europeans colonized. In countries like China naked skin might also be a taboo, for other reasons. But the thing is it wasn´t such a taboo here before the heavy Christian influence.

So many of our laws are also based on that. Or what is seen as decent. And somehow many people, who are very religious (or pretend it) usually associate being naked with sexuality, that´s why they always make the discussions about that. And some cultural decay - as if the naked body would be something which isn´t natural. But it is - and therefore can´t lead to cultural decay by itself, as it is just part of ourselves. Except it would be a cultural achievement to distance one self from the own existence. So basically seeing something which is natural as not decent - would be the cultural decay.

And it´s seen different for women and men. While it´s perfectly fine for men to be bare-chested, but not for women, which You usually see at some beaches. And if it´s hot - and near some water - it may be very well cultural okay to go shopping bare chested as a man. But not as a woman. Except for certain resorts for nudists, in which the people go shopping completely naked of course. And in other countries You might pay a fee if You´re seen bare-chested as a woman at the beach, while You can do it here at any beach. But still depending on the location, certain people will stop talking if the bare-chested woman walks around, but instead look at her. And in super-markets i don´t know about the reaction.

And here being naked is not forbidden, but if others don´t like it they could call the police. Because in that case it would count as "nuisance to the general public", while they probably won´t do anything at some beach, or wherever the people run around half naked anyways - but for example in some city center, in which it is rather uncommon. So the naked person would be advised to either wear something, or to go home, or leave the area. And in any way the naked person would need to be either very confident - or very confused.

[aka]

It depends if there are disgusting predators around, or just women.

Happy to share my input

[Phirestar]

Well according to Twitch, none of it.

[Manuel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Phirestar:

Well according to Twitch, none of it.

Depends,
there are streamers that really push it and don't get banned for months ..

Its a bit arbitrary :/

[kilésengati]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von De Hollandse Ezel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Candyy ♡:

Public is, but not the same thing as a normal street

in my nation there is no law against public nudity
you want to walk naked or do any activity in my nation you totally can.

it is however very uncommon to do so.. if you walk ourside without shoes you likely will already be aproached by a policeman to veryfy why you do that.. to look if you are not an escaped mental patient...

if you walk naked you stick out and you bet some police officer will aproach you..

-if the officier deems you mentally ill you will get taken and psychialogically assesed by a shrink.

-there IS however a law that states you may not provoke..
-the very act of walking naked can be explained you do that "just to provoke"
**so you would need to pick your words very well to the officer to show you do it for a normal reason.. you can say "I am a nudist, and I just am shopping/traveling" or "my last pants ripped, and I needed to go outside"
-> don't quite ":it is my right to walk naked outside" for that can be explained you do it to provoke.

ofcourse how you walk naking matters.. if you make obscene movements or just bike naked through the city.. thats a big difference..

99.999% of the nation it is legal to walk nation as long you don't provoke..
there are zones excluded.. like within 50m near playgrounds, kindergardens and primary schools..

but most zones are fine.

but there is always a chance due it being very uncommon to walk naked.. an officer will arrest you and set you off at your home after a fine anyway...
->
or at least demand and send you home to get dressed.

but if you walk from the nudest beach to the normal beach to buy some icecream... nobody would do a thing bout that.. its not forbidden to be nude outside the nudist beach.. its forbidden to be cloithed ON the nudist bach..

the nudist beach is there to prevent nudists against anoying stares.. not to prevent others from seeing naked people.

Well, being nude in public outside of designated areas isn't prohibited outright in Germany either, but the moment someone else feels negatively affected by it you are on the hook for at least nudity (a contravention), exhibitionism or disorderly conduct (crimes), sexual assault or even child abuse (both serious crimes… well, at least if you are an average citizen :/).

Interestingly, the interiour of a car is not considered public.