AK-47: Russian Pride or German Masterpiece?

[WarHeRo]

Here's a quick breakdown: Mikhail Kalashnikov, the so-called 'father' of the AK-47, wasn't the sole brain behind this firearm. Enter Hugo Schmeisser, the German legend behind the world's first assault rifle. There's a twisty tale of Kalashnikov and Schmeisser working together, with Schmeisser's contribution being suspiciously hush-hush (all thanks to classified Soviet documents 🤫).

Adding to the mystery, Kalashnikov's stories about the AK-47's design origins have flip-flopped over the years. From outright denial of any similarities with Schmeisser's designs to later admitting "a little bit of inspiration" and even collaboration!

And here's the kicker - while Kalashnikov was developing the AK-47 in one place, Schmeisser was in another, yet still under Soviet direction. Coincidence? I think not!

The early AK designs even had issues similar to Schmeisser's designs, further fueling the speculation. Plus, the USSR 'borrowed' a lot of Schmeisser's technical designs after WWII. 🕵️‍♂️

So, what's your take? Is the AK-47 a product of German engineering prowess, cleverly repackaged as a Soviet masterpiece? Or is it purely Russian innovation? Let's hear your thoughts on this intriguing piece of history!

sauce: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/14/designed-ak-47/

[steven1mac]

I think it was more of the AK was inspired by the German Assault Weapon. Germans tend to over-complicate their weapons, the assault weapon being no exception, while the Russians tend to make them as cheap and quick as possible. The only reason the AK is regarded as highly as it is, is because of the low tolerances, allowing it to be shot dirty, but at the expenses of accuracy.

[Dracoco OwO]

steven1mac původně napsal:

I think it was more of the AK was inspired by the German Assault Weapon. Germans tend to over-complicate their weapons, the assault weapon being no exception, while the Russians tend to make them as cheap and quick as possible. The only reason the AK is regarded as highly as it is, is because of the low tolerances, allowing it to be shot dirty, but at the expenses of accuracy.

I mean i saw whatever weapons they based the ak on and AK-74 came back to a similar longer design to the original gun which means Germans must have done something very right.

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[Tiberius]

WarHeRo původně napsal:

Here's a quick breakdown: Mikhail Kalashnikov, the so-called 'father' of the AK-47, wasn't the sole brain behind this firearm. Enter Hugo Schmeisser, the German legend behind the world's first assault rifle. There's a twisty tale of Kalashnikov and Schmeisser working together, with Schmeisser's contribution being suspiciously hush-hush (all thanks to classified Soviet documents 🤫).

Adding to the mystery, Kalashnikov's stories about the AK-47's design origins have flip-flopped over the years. From outright denial of any similarities with Schmeisser's designs to later admitting "a little bit of inspiration" and even collaboration! :cozybethesda:

And here's the kicker - while Kalashnikov was developing the AK-47 in one place, Schmeisser was in another, yet still under Soviet direction. Coincidence? I think not! :winter2019coolyul:

The early AK designs even had issues similar to Schmeisser's designs, further fueling the speculation. Plus, the USSR 'borrowed' a lot of Schmeisser's technical designs after WWII. 🕵️‍♂️

So, what's your take? Is the AK-47 a product of German engineering prowess, cleverly repackaged as a Soviet masterpiece? Or is it purely Russian innovation? Let's hear your thoughts on this intriguing piece of history! :cozycsgoctwhite:

sauce: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/14/designed-ak-47/

The AK-47 rolls with a long-stroke gas piston system where the gas piston is part of the operating rod, adding to its robustness and easy maintenance. Meanwhile, the STG-44 rocks a short-stroke gas piston setup, distinguishing itself from the AK-47 and influencing later assault rifle designs.

AK merely took the design from the STG, that is all.
There is a reason why AK is still around and in use everywhere and STG is not or only in super small numbers mostly in syria.

[Dracoco OwO]

Сергей původně napsal:

WarHeRo původně napsal:

Here's a quick breakdown: Mikhail Kalashnikov, the so-called 'father' of the AK-47, wasn't the sole brain behind this firearm. Enter Hugo Schmeisser, the German legend behind the world's first assault rifle. There's a twisty tale of Kalashnikov and Schmeisser working together, with Schmeisser's contribution being suspiciously hush-hush (all thanks to classified Soviet documents 🤫).

Adding to the mystery, Kalashnikov's stories about the AK-47's design origins have flip-flopped over the years. From outright denial of any similarities with Schmeisser's designs to later admitting "a little bit of inspiration" and even collaboration! :cozybethesda:

And here's the kicker - while Kalashnikov was developing the AK-47 in one place, Schmeisser was in another, yet still under Soviet direction. Coincidence? I think not! :winter2019coolyul:

The early AK designs even had issues similar to Schmeisser's designs, further fueling the speculation. Plus, the USSR 'borrowed' a lot of Schmeisser's technical designs after WWII. 🕵️‍♂️

So, what's your take? Is the AK-47 a product of German engineering prowess, cleverly repackaged as a Soviet masterpiece? Or is it purely Russian innovation? Let's hear your thoughts on this intriguing piece of history! :cozycsgoctwhite:

sauce: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/14/designed-ak-47/

The AK-47 rolls with a long-stroke gas piston system where the gas piston is part of the operating rod, adding to its robustness and easy maintenance. Meanwhile, the STG-44 rocks a short-stroke gas piston setup, distinguishing itself from the AK-47 and influencing later assault rifle designs.

AK merely took the design from the STG, that is all.
There is a reason why AK is still around and in use everywhere and STG is not or only in super small numbers mostly in syria.

Peoples forget that STG was just an ancestor to the MP5 which is still a very relevant gun.

[WarHeRo]

Dracoco OwO původně napsal:

Peoples forget that STG was just an ancestor to the MP5 which is still a very relevant gun.

MP5 is super fun to shoot. But STG feel just way better!

[Tiberius]

Dracoco OwO původně napsal:

Сергей původně napsal:

The AK-47 rolls with a long-stroke gas piston system where the gas piston is part of the operating rod, adding to its robustness and easy maintenance. Meanwhile, the STG-44 rocks a short-stroke gas piston setup, distinguishing itself from the AK-47 and influencing later assault rifle designs.

AK merely took the design from the STG, that is all.
There is a reason why AK is still around and in use everywhere and STG is not or only in super small numbers mostly in syria.

Peoples forget that STG was just an ancestor to the MP5 which is still a very relevant gun.

Never heard that before since the STG functions differently than the MP5 and the MP5 was created much later.

WarHeRo původně napsal:

Dracoco OwO původně napsal:

Peoples forget that STG was just an ancestor to the MP5 which is still a very relevant gun.

MP5 is super fun to shoot. But STG feel just way better! :2018bestcoffee:

I have never shot an STG but an MP5 and I find it to be way too heavy.
I prefer AK-74 for all purpose.

[L1qu1dator]

Dracoco OwO původně napsal:

Peoples forget that STG was just an ancestor to the MP5 which is still a very relevant gun.

More like MP-40 was an ancestor to MP-5.

[Ulfrinn]

I've studied this at length. I've studied firearms design and engineering for several years, even had discussion with people who own companies that build and sell firearms and we've even had discussions on WWII era prototypes. I don't believe for a moment Kalashnikov had anything to do with the AK.

So much of the design carried Hugo Schmeisser's ideas, and Schmeisser was present, and working in the place where the AK was developed for the duration of his development. Kalashnikov visited like once or twice. But I have no doubt the Soviets refused to give credit to anyone but a Russian.

[Dracoco OwO]

L1qu1dator původně napsal:

Dracoco OwO původně napsal:

Peoples forget that STG was just an ancestor to the MP5 which is still a very relevant gun.

More like MP-40 was an ancestor to MP-5.

Yeah i mostly said that because the manufacturers are like the same.

[Ulfrinn]

To this other conversation going on, there were a few STGs. The STG44 was a tilting block design that shares more similarities with the FAL than it does the AK, or any of the HK weapons.

There was a prototype that never really made full scale production called the STG45 though, which was a roller delayed blowback system. The bolt inside this is nearly identical to the CETME/HKG3, which the MP5 is a scaled down version of. The MP5 is a descendant of the STG45 prototype, but not even remotely close to either the MP40, or the STG44 which actually saw use.

[Dracoco OwO]

Ulfrinn původně napsal:

To this other conversation going on, there were a few STGs. The STG44 was a tilting block design that shares more similarities with the FAL than it does the AK, or any of the HK weapons.

There was a prototype that never really made full scale production called the STG45 though, which was a roller delayed blowback system. The bolt inside this is nearly identical to the CETME/HKG3, which the MP5 is a scaled down version of. The MP5 is a descendant of the STG45 prototype, but not even remotely close to either the MP40, or the STG44 which actually saw use.

Yeah i remember about this prototype in particular i actually had a conversation with a gun guy on discord about these.

I also saw a picture of a STG with an handguard very similar to the AK-47 but i can't retrace that picture.

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

product of German WW2 ingenuity.

Russia just took it, modified it a bit and claimed it as their own.

its like copying somebodies song note by note and flipping the chord progression and then claiming its your song.