Do you support gun ownership in the USA or not?

[Stakanov]

I ask this question because I see some people talking about it here and there.

Personally, I live in Europe in a country where it is illegal to carry a gun, or a bladed weapon, or tear gas, or to respond to an attack with my fists.
In the United States, if I understood correctly, everyone has a gun on them. And it's ok to go outside with it.

What is the difference in the event of an attack in a European country or in the United States?

The difference is that in the United States the criminal is armed to the teeth and can literally massacre anyone...
In Europe we certainly have nothing to defend ourselves except calling the police but the advantage we have and which in my opinion demonstrates that the right to have a weapon should be prohibited is that the criminal in Europe is armed up to 'to the teeth and can literally massacre anyone...

[xDDD]

I'd say the biggest thing, that not even anti-gun nutters can deny, is that the cat is very far out of the bag in the US. There are well over 300 million firearms and 70-80 million firearm owners, and who knows how many unregistered ones floating around.

So if they randomly decided "F the Constitution which this country was based on, we're taking your firearms" and even just TEN PERCENT of firearm owners didn't comply (realistically it would probably be more than that) then those owners would represent an armed force larger than any military on the planet by a significant margin.

[Azza ☠]

Americans have the right to bear arms... but just got a bit confused...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRGp0S7qZLw

No, I don't support gun ownership, unless you have had training, a gun license, regular mental health checks and it's a single shot barrel used for hunting purposes only. Not to be displayed in public. It should be kept in a safe, with ammo separate from it and the safety on.

Why you would want a gun for protection is beyond me... as it's either loaded and ready, in which another can grab and use (including your kids or cat) or you won't be able to access it in time for when such an event happens anyways. It's merely the illusion of safety, while ironically adding another element of danger.

I personally will stick with having a dog, that can even wake you up in the middle of the night to warn you of a break in as soon as they stepped on your property. Then almost everything around you can still be used as a weapon, if required for protection. Stay around a corner, release the dog to attack, and hit with a bat or whatever. Grab their weapon or kick it away, all the while the dog rips into them and consider them a new chew toy.

People with guns for home safety are like living in complete fear and not free at all, in my eyes.

[Marmarmar34]

Escrito originalmente por :D:

I'd say the biggest thing, that not even anti-gun nutters can deny, is that the cat is very far out of the bag in the US. There are well over 300 million firearms and 70-80 million firearm owners, and who knows how many unregistered ones floating around.

So if they randomly decided "F the Constitution which this country was based on, we're taking your firearms" and even just TEN PERCENT of firearm owners didn't comply (realistically it would probably be more than that) then those owners would represent an armed force larger than any military on the planet by a significant margin.

Not to mention the literal compounds that litter Montana.

[Netaris]

Escrito originalmente por Dracoco OwO:

There is possibly better improvised weapons anyways.

Indeed, but my goal here isn't to show peoples how to make weapons, just to show that's way easier to do than what they may think at first. But you're right, some genocides were done mainly with machetes, you don't even need firearms. Human beings have killed each other with swords for centuries and centuries, it work very well too and crafting a basic sword-like weapon today is a piece of cake with modern tools.

If peoples want to kill each other, firearms or not they'll find a way. We see it with terrorists attacks, a lot of those are commited with knives, trucks and so on. They've proved enough that they don't need guns.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

I don't actually own a gun despite being a 2nd Amendment absolutist. But now more then ever would be an important time to buy a gun.

We're have Biden supporters chase Jewish Americans into library and forcing them to hide in attics, while the anti-gun Biden Supporters chant genocidal chants. And it seems like the left-wing establishment is okay with genocidal chants against Jews.

And I've seen similar comments directed at Trump Supporters, even on Steam...sure maybe they're edgelords that are quickly handled by the moderation teams, but maybe they're not.

[MistuhG]

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

To be fair all gun control is like this....the folks who push for it are only pushing to have certain people disarmed.

Again look at America.

Joe Biden/Democrats sent military grade arms to the Taliban. Joe Biden/Democrats send military grade arms the ISIS. Joe Biden/Democrats sent military grade arms to Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

But he wants to disarm people of civilians rifles in his own country.

Good observations. In a similar vein, Joe Biden/Democrats have shown zero interest in ever securing the borders to stop the flow of any kind of trafficking/smuggling, whether it is drug trafficking, child trafficking, etc. Surely that side of the aisle isn't so dense that they don't realize that guns can/will be trafficked the same way? The only logical conclusion is that they know this, and its deliberate.

Of course arms smuggled over the border will be primarily going to criminals/cartels, and not innocent civilians looking to defend themselves and their families. Any attempt to disarm civilians without first locking down the border is obviously a subversive effort to make victims out of the population.

[Psycho]

Yeah for self defense/home defense, but I don't think regular citizens should just be able to buy AR-15s or super powerful guns like that

[Dracoco OwO]

Escrito originalmente por Psycho:

Yeah for self defense/home defense, but I don't think regular citizens should just be able to buy AR-15s or super powerful guns like that

I mean there is literally some handguns modified to fire full auto with 30 bullets magazines or more, if peoples find spare parts they can just have a mini-smg just like that with some thinkering. These can kill almost as much as actual assault rifles.

But yeah peoples probably shouldn't have access to these weapons in the first place especially if they aren't wise enough to make them.

[=(^ ^)=]

Owning a gun in Europe is more a risk for the owner because he has a gun in his house, and you never know what could happen. Many people accidentaly shot themself and the chances you will ever need to use it are almost none in your life.

But you must also understand these Americans, things like this do not happen in the EU, but they happen almost daily in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbUNQmgQ40

If you google for it, you will find out many videos like that. The robbers are not like here, they break your door with weapons and if you are lucky they will just steal.

[Kweeb]

Escrito originalmente por SukiAmericanDollStarkiller:

I keep guns cause I share a country with conservative bigots and I'm a member of the Socialist Rifle Association. Once they are forced to give up theirs because they are violent psychopaths I will willingly give up mine.

Every mass shooting happens because of a Democrat voter. With mental issues.. The problem is the mental issues not the gun. Explain to me how come whenever a criminal shoots someone it is the gun's fault but then when a cop shoots someone it's the cop's fault and not the guns.... The people are not even consistent... Consistency is key. And they can't even do that correctly

[Chunk Norris ☯]

"I believe in free speech" but only with Quill and Papers, I don't think the Founding Fathers intended for us to have assault speech devices like computer, cell phones or social media.

Did you know that the 2nd Amendment includes the use of heavy artillery? Yep...the 2nd Amendment provides people with the ability to own a cannon..

[Kweeb]

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

"I believe in free speech" but only with Quill and Papers, I don't think the Founding Fathers intended for us to have assault speech devices like computer, cell phones or social media.

Did you know that the 2nd Amendment includes the use of heavy artillery? Yep...the 2nd Amendment provides people with the ability to own a cannon..

Muskets were considered military grade weapons at the time.... People fail to realize that

[xDDD]

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

"I believe in free speech" but only with Quill and Papers, I don't think the Founding Fathers intended for us to have assault speech devices like computer, cell phones or social media.

Did you know that the 2nd Amendment includes the use of heavy artillery? Yep...the 2nd Amendment provides people with the ability to own a cannon..

Not even just a cannon, it provides people with the ability to own an entire WARSHIP with dozens of cannons.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Escrito originalmente por Kweeb:

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

"I believe in free speech" but only with Quill and Papers, I don't think the Founding Fathers intended for us to have assault speech devices like computer, cell phones or social media.

Did you know that the 2nd Amendment includes the use of heavy artillery? Yep...the 2nd Amendment provides people with the ability to own a cannon..

Muskets were considered military grade weapons at the time.... People fail to realize that

Yep...and Muskets weren't the only military grade weapon available...anyone play Assassin Creed?

The Puckle Gun?

https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Puckle_gun

It actually existed...yep...a multi-shot heavy artillery that shoots mini-cannonballs.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Escrito originalmente por :D:

Escrito originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

"I believe in free speech" but only with Quill and Papers, I don't think the Founding Fathers intended for us to have assault speech devices like computer, cell phones or social media.

Did you know that the 2nd Amendment includes the use of heavy artillery? Yep...the 2nd Amendment provides people with the ability to own a cannon..

Not even just a cannon, it provides people with the ability to own an entire WARSHIP with dozens of cannons.

Yep...now ready to really have your socks blown off?

What about nukes?

Nuclear Power plants in America, while being HEAVILY government regulated, are private owned...hence people who are private citizens have all the materials used in making of atomic bombs.