Do you support gun ownership in the USA or not?

[Stakanov]

I ask this question because I see some people talking about it here and there.

Personally, I live in Europe in a country where it is illegal to carry a gun, or a bladed weapon, or tear gas, or to respond to an attack with my fists.
In the United States, if I understood correctly, everyone has a gun on them. And it's ok to go outside with it.

What is the difference in the event of an attack in a European country or in the United States?

The difference is that in the United States the criminal is armed to the teeth and can literally massacre anyone...
In Europe we certainly have nothing to defend ourselves except calling the police but the advantage we have and which in my opinion demonstrates that the right to have a weapon should be prohibited is that the criminal in Europe is armed up to 'to the teeth and can literally massacre anyone...

[Netaris]

EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ lähetti viestin:

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. Just recently

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/narco-state-netherlands-the-slippery-dutch-slope-from-drug-tolerance-to-drug-terror-a-4c064859-9faf-495f-b1f7-c74900910568


https://www.eur.nl/en/news/dutch-narco-state-who-involved-and-which-way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/03/mob-style-killings-shock-netherlands-into-fighting-descent-into-narco-state

And when your state can't fight those or don't want to, that's what happen : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzBssLKhP8E

Also see how the UN don't deploy against criminal gangs, but when the population start to attack them.

[xDDD]

Ad Victoriam ! lähetti viestin:

And when your state can't fight those or don't want to : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzBssLKhP8E

We know what works. :)

LOL you can say a lot about Haiti but I don't think "works" is one of them

[Netaris]

:D lähetti viestin:

LOL you can say a lot about Haiti but I don't think "works" is one of them

It work better than doing nothing and letting gangs do as they want.

[Ulfrinn]

Ad Victoriam ! lähetti viestin:

:D lähetti viestin:

LOL you can say a lot about Haiti but I don't think "works" is one of them

It work better than doing nothing and letting gangs do as they want.

That's what they do in US cities and when gangs have a shootout they call it a mass shooting so people will think another crazy person just randomly started shooting a crowd of people again, despite that not being what the vast majority of media reported "mass shootings" actually are. They're gangs, shooting at each other, and nobody really does anything about it because that'd be admitting the people running those cities have destroyed those communities.

Which is exactly why I'll never take a gun control topic seriously if one side can't even be honest about the facts.

[Netaris]

Ulfrinn lähetti viestin:

That's what they do in US cities and when gangs have a shootout they call it a mass shooting so people will think another crazy person just randomly started shooting a crowd of people again, despite that not being what the vast majority of media reported "mass shootings" actually are. They're gangs, shooting at each other, and nobody really does anything about it because that'd be admitting the people running those cities have destroyed those communities.

Which is exactly why I'll never take a gun control topic seriously if one side can't even be honest about the facts.

Yep, having guns is like having big muscles. It's fine to have, but if you lie to yourself and find excuses for not using those when you need them : they're useless. Drug trafickers put everyone at risk around them, there is no reason not to fight those peoples if you can.

Still, I love the russian method about it, what they used after the fall of the USSR against gangs. They sponsored one gang, that was let free by police forces, never condemned as long as they don't attack civilians. They've let them destroy the other gangs, killing their members with 0 consequences from the state. And when the other gangs were destroyed and the last one diminished by this gang war, they sended special forces to kill them all.

That's how you deal with monsters, who sell poison to kids and murder as easily as breathing, you don't treat them like human beings anymore because they don't deserve it.

[EpirusWarriorμολὼνλαβέ]

I dont think is how Russian mafia worked. They where ex KGB and military leaders that deflected when USSR collapsed. Than where the oligarchs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5nbT4xQqwI

Russian mafia is still around and very active. Its very complex how it works and structural was connected all the way to politicians part of the system basically.

Mexicans/ latin america cartel, Italians mafia and russians mafia, balkan mafia have more the same system, where the system is structured vertically all the way to being insiders in the system which is why they cannot get rid of them. Majority sponsor politicians who do their bidding. So is total different animal organized crime perpetuates all field of the country while at local stage they just chumps trying to survive.

The reason cartel and mafia dont die is they rooted in every field of the country/city from the economy to the rest. They buy the politicans who buy votes who allow them to grow their empire than wash their money in legitimate business than they employ people which than become part of economy, while their other business act on the background also.

And the problem why Mexico failed, cause they have more money that the state and bought many politicians police and so on. They are like hydra you cut one head 100 bosses will rise because is organized crime and not at local level where is bunch of chumps.

Guzman was arrested you have Garcia, Guzman sons Lopez, Salazar ect in sinaloa with billions in founds and thousands ready to die for them which is why when they get arrested they go into war with the state out of no where

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc9uYnxvxZA

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

Pirate☠️Pocah lähetti viestin:

Stakanov lähetti viestin:

I ask this question because I see some people talking about it here and there.

Personally, I live in Europe in a country where it is illegal to carry a gun, or a bladed weapon, or tear gas, or to respond to an attack with my fists.
In the United States, if I understood correctly, everyone has a gun on them. And it's ok to go outside with it.

What is the difference in the event of an attack in a European country or in the United States?

The difference is that in the United States the criminal is armed to the teeth and can literally massacre anyone...
In Europe we certainly have nothing to defend ourselves except calling the police but the advantage we have and which in my opinion demonstrates that the right to have a weapon should be prohibited is that the criminal in Europe is armed up to 'to the teeth and can literally massacre anyone...

The very simple fact is that somehow (who cares how?) it all got very out of control in the USA, and now it's a problem that is very difficult to fix. You can't really take the guns off the people when the criminals are armed to the teeth.

It's not the same at all in Europe, so there is no point in comparing the two. In the UK, for example, gun control was introduced slowly over a hundred years, so guns never became a problem. The criminals don't have guns so the public don't need them. The UK has some of the toughest gun laws in the world, and most of the population are perfectly fine about that.

I am not exactly sure why there are so many mass shootings in America. This seems to be a particularly American thing. It seems to me that this is just a part of the division the country is suffering at the moment.

Well wer're a very different country then the UK, first the UK isn't a very diverse place, and diversity isn't really a strength if the various people don't have common values or culture, and in America the Democrats strive to erase culture and they have no values.

It was previously brought up that the vast majority of the mass shootings in America come from black people and gang violence....well gang violence typically happens in bigger cities...most bigger cities are controlled by Democrats and Democrats encourage this type of behavior. So is it really a problem? Or is this the desired outcome? It's like BLM burning down buildings and mass violence, Democrat cities tend to support and even reward BLM types, why should we assume that their destruction in the name of 2-3 billion dollars in just the Summer of Love was anything more then 100% by design.

Mass shootings and high crime/gang activity are left-wing Democrat Party platforms.

It's also important to note the geography of the UK compared to the US...the UK is an island...America shared a border with a 3rd world country that has a highly corrupt government that works with the Drug Cartels.

And finally the population is another huge factor. The UK is 63 million, we're 350 million plus...heck there's a thought that there might be near 50 million illegal immigrants in our country.

Also the UK does have mass shootings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

[Dracoco OwO]

Ulfrinn lähetti viestin:

Ad Victoriam ! lähetti viestin:

It work better than doing nothing and letting gangs do as they want.

That's what they do in US cities and when gangs have a shootout they call it a mass shooting so people will think another crazy person just randomly started shooting a crowd of people again, despite that not being what the vast majority of media reported "mass shootings" actually are. They're gangs, shooting at each other, and nobody really does anything about it because that'd be admitting the people running those cities have destroyed those communities.

Which is exactly why I'll never take a gun control topic seriously if one side can't even be honest about the facts.

The difference in Haiti is all peoples are already black so there isn't those racism allegations ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ going on.

[Ulfrinn]

Dracoco OwO lähetti viestin:

Ulfrinn lähetti viestin:

That's what they do in US cities and when gangs have a shootout they call it a mass shooting so people will think another crazy person just randomly started shooting a crowd of people again, despite that not being what the vast majority of media reported "mass shootings" actually are. They're gangs, shooting at each other, and nobody really does anything about it because that'd be admitting the people running those cities have destroyed those communities.

Which is exactly why I'll never take a gun control topic seriously if one side can't even be honest about the facts.

The difference in Haiti is all peoples are already black so there isn't those racism allegations ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ going on.

Nobody has made any racist allegations though.

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

Dracoco OwO lähetti viestin:

Ulfrinn lähetti viestin:

That's what they do in US cities and when gangs have a shootout they call it a mass shooting so people will think another crazy person just randomly started shooting a crowd of people again, despite that not being what the vast majority of media reported "mass shootings" actually are. They're gangs, shooting at each other, and nobody really does anything about it because that'd be admitting the people running those cities have destroyed those communities.

Which is exactly why I'll never take a gun control topic seriously if one side can't even be honest about the facts.

The difference in Haiti is all peoples are already black so there isn't those racism allegations ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ going on.

It also comes down to attitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSmiZCQP58o&t=214s

[Eli]

We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.