Should we disband the NATO?

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Since the war in Palestine and Israel happened, Ukraine, who was supported by the EU and the USA, has lost a lot of weapons that were meant to be sold to them, but are being sold to Israel.

All the NATO did were 2 stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because of that war criminal of bush who invocked the article 11 claiming the 9/11 was an attack against a NATO country.

Then they made a disaster war in the ex-Yugoslavia where for months they did nothing but bombing Bosnia.

For the rest, the NATO is nothing but an huge military expense for every country who is part of it.

We spend money, they do nothing.

If Ukraine doesn't get back its lands, and the NATO does nothing, I think we should disband this failure money waster of an alliance.

[Grimmz]

are you sure its Ukraine's lands?

because last time i checked Ukraine has been pushing their borders on Russia, not the other way around. thats the whole reason why they invaded. them joining NATO was the last nail to the coffin, Ukraine basicly pushed Russia to do what they did.

the invasion didn't just fall from a clear sky. Ukraine joining NATO meant that they would put a bunch of NATO weapons on Russia's border. try doing that for US and see what happens, see if theres gona be an invasion or something worse.

Putin gave them 2 very clear options. either join hands and unite OR you put those weapons on the border and you're going to regret it.

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

are you sure its Ukraine's lands?

because last time i checked Ukraine has been pushing their borders on Russia, not the other way around. thats the whole reason why they invaded. them joining NATO was the last nail to the coffin, Ukraine basicly pushed Russia to do what they did.

the invasion didn't just fall from a clear sky. Ukraine joining NATO meant that they would put a bunch of NATO weapons on Russia's border. try doing that for US and see what happens, see if theres gona be an invasion or something worse.

Ukraine was not going to join NATO, it would have needed to clear up a lot of its act.
the Russian invasion has sped up the process of Ukraine joining NATO if anything.

-Russian propaganda states otherwise as it states Ukraine was going to take over its crop through GM seed flying over from Ukraine into Russian soil so Ukraine could claim rights - Russia Today some years ago.

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Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

are you sure its Ukraine's lands?

because last time i checked Ukraine has been pushing their borders on Russia, not the other way around. thats the whole reason why they invaded. them joining NATO was the last nail to the coffin, Ukraine basicly pushed Russia to do what they did.

the invasion didn't just fall from a clear sky. Ukraine joining NATO meant that they would put a bunch of NATO weapons on Russia's border. try doing that for US and see what happens, see if theres gona be an invasion or something worse.

Ukraine was not going to join NATO, it would have needed to clear up a lot of its act.
the Russian invasion has sped up the process of Ukraine joining NATO if anything.

Ukraine egged them on, they didn't just simply ''exist'' to get invaded.

for every action, there is reaction.

[Hobbit XIII]

Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

Ukraine was not going to join NATO, it would have needed to clear up a lot of its act.
the Russian invasion has sped up the process of Ukraine joining NATO if anything.

Ukraine egged them on, they didn't just simply ''exist'' to get invaded.

for every action, there is reaction.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

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Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

are you sure its Ukraine's lands?

because last time i checked Ukraine has been pushing their borders on Russia, not the other way around. thats the whole reason why they invaded. them joining NATO was the last nail to the coffin, Ukraine basicly pushed Russia to do what they did.

the invasion didn't just fall from a clear sky. Ukraine joining NATO meant that they would put a bunch of NATO weapons on Russia's border. try doing that for US and see what happens, see if theres gona be an invasion or something worse.

Putin gave them 2 very clear options. either join hands and unite OR you put those weapons on the border and you're going to regret it.

Yes, what about Finland. What about Kaliningrad where Russians have nukes 45 seconds away from Berlin? That's not a provocation itself?

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

And the OP is allowed to vote, this is what is wrong with democracy.

What is wrong with Democracy, just to name one, is people like you who believe whatever they say is right and anybody who doesn't agree with that should not vote. This is called fascist mentality.

[Grimmz]

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

Ukraine egged them on, they didn't just simply ''exist'' to get invaded.

for every action, there is reaction.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

i recommend you to read back 50 years of their conflict and heck talk to some Russians personally. stop following media, they're leaving a ton of ♥♥♥♥ out.

[Grimmz]

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Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

are you sure its Ukraine's lands?

because last time i checked Ukraine has been pushing their borders on Russia, not the other way around. thats the whole reason why they invaded. them joining NATO was the last nail to the coffin, Ukraine basicly pushed Russia to do what they did.

the invasion didn't just fall from a clear sky. Ukraine joining NATO meant that they would put a bunch of NATO weapons on Russia's border. try doing that for US and see what happens, see if theres gona be an invasion or something worse.

Putin gave them 2 very clear options. either join hands and unite OR you put those weapons on the border and you're going to regret it.

Yes, what about Finland. What about Kaliningrad where Russians have nukes 45 seconds away from Berlin? That's not a provocation itself?

i don't care i don't live in Finland, was only born there.

i don't know the history there, i've only been following and researching that one conflict..

[TWPanda77]

The military counter balance to China and Russia is NATO (with the USA) it is not the EU.

[gugnihr]

Yes nato sucks

[Hobbit XIII]

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Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

are you sure its Ukraine's lands?

because last time i checked Ukraine has been pushing their borders on Russia, not the other way around. thats the whole reason why they invaded. them joining NATO was the last nail to the coffin, Ukraine basicly pushed Russia to do what they did.

the invasion didn't just fall from a clear sky. Ukraine joining NATO meant that they would put a bunch of NATO weapons on Russia's border. try doing that for US and see what happens, see if theres gona be an invasion or something worse.

Putin gave them 2 very clear options. either join hands and unite OR you put those weapons on the border and you're going to regret it.

Yes, what about Finland. What about Kaliningrad where Russians have nukes 45 seconds away from Berlin? That's not a provocation itself?

Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

And the OP is allowed to vote, this is what is wrong with democracy.

What is wrong with Democracy, just to name one, is people like you who believe whatever they say is right and anybody who doesn't agree with that should not vote. This is called fascist mentality.

your a spreader of bs.

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Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

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Yes, what about Finland. What about Kaliningrad where Russians have nukes 45 seconds away from Berlin? That's not a provocation itself?

i don't care i don't live in Finland, was only born there.

i don't know the history there, i've only been following and researching that one conflict..

I'm talking about the fact Finland has just joined the NATO and Russia did nothing, so the CASUS BELLI is not the wish of Ukraine to join the NATO, expecially because before the war happened they stated they could give up the idea to join NATO. Now because of the war they don't have any reason for not joining it.

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Messaggio originale di Hobbit XIII:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

i recommend you to read back 50 years of their conflict and heck talk to some Russians personally. stop following media, they're leaving a ton of ♥♥♥♥ out.

I reccomend you to study some history, because Kyiv is much older than Moscow and the RUS of Kyiv are those who moved to modern Russia even before Moscow was founded. They have their own language also if the Soviet Union has forbidden it.

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Yes, what about Finland. What about Kaliningrad where Russians have nukes 45 seconds away from Berlin? That's not a provocation itself?


What is wrong with Democracy, just to name one, is people like you who believe whatever they say is right and anybody who doesn't agree with that should not vote. This is called fascist mentality.

your a spreader of bs.

I bet you don't even know where Kaliningrad is located.

[kilésengati]

Eh, Germany can't afford it anymore anyway.

[Pocahawtness]

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Messaggio originale di Pirate☠️Pocah:

NATO is like a nuclear deterrent. It does not do "nothing".

And this is just another anti-American post.

Also France and UK have nukes, and we don't neek 1k nukes to wipe down a city of 10 milion of people. And stop the victismis with this is another anti-American post because we are clearly talking about the NATO. And the NATO is not the USA.

A nuclear deterrent is completely different.

NATO is a first response in the case of attack, nuclear is a last response.

NATO is not the USA. But I am tired of these anti-american and anti-West propaganda posts, that people keep making, in which they very often imply that NATO is driven by America, which it is not.

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Messaggio originale di gugnihr:

Yes nato sucks

i agree. heck even EU sucks. (the union)

if i could decide for finland, i would leave nato and eu, and try to get russia back on my side.

they're members of both now and things are getting worse and worse for the citizens. government keeps taking loan after loan, our course is just getting weaker, jobs are leaving to overseas and even the food price hasn't been this high since like 30 years ago.

finland should never had to help Ukraine. because they were supposed to be a neutral country.
but thanks to the massive liberal ran government, they want to save the whole planet, they just couldn't stay away. yes yes lets send resources to other countries while our own people are already suffering from major homelessness and unemployment.

lets also make russia our enemy because we definitely need more trouble.

socialism and liberalism is destroying finland. they're not far behind from sweden...

out with the nato and the union. take back independency.

nato was actually the reason i left finland in the first place. officials were so scared of russia they rushed to beg nato to take em in. neutral country my ass. it made us look like cowards.

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Messaggio originale di Grimmz:

Messaggio originale di gugnihr:

Yes nato sucks

i agree. heck even EU sucks. (the union)

if i could decide for finland, i would leave nato and eu, and try to get russia back on my side.

Mate, I hope nobody from Finland reads your statement.