Should we disband the NATO?

[=(^ ^)=]

Since the war in Palestine and Israel happened, Ukraine, who was supported by the EU and the USA, has lost a lot of weapons that were meant to be sold to them, but are being sold to Israel.

All the NATO did were 2 stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because of that war criminal of bush who invocked the article 11 claiming the 9/11 was an attack against a NATO country.

Then they made a disaster war in the ex-Yugoslavia where for months they did nothing but bombing Bosnia.

For the rest, the NATO is nothing but an huge military expense for every country who is part of it.

We spend money, they do nothing.

If Ukraine doesn't get back its lands, and the NATO does nothing, I think we should disband this failure money waster of an alliance.

[Stakanov]

Nato will indeed disappear, I mean now that Russia has won in Ukraine we can clearly say that it's the end of this alliance, imagine almost 40 united countries losing against only one country, such a humiliation...

[=(^ ^)=]

Russia is not winning, but it's not losing too, they have been on the defensive for months. The fact is the EU should invest money for its own Army, also the USA has been pushing for a war against China for decades, and the EU doesn't want any war with China because they are our best economic partner.

This NATO has been benefitting mostly the USA with the money spent also by the EU. The USA has asked help for the first war in Iraq, the second war in Iraq and the Afghanistan, while the EU had no interest in it. The USA has been also in part responsable for the war in Ukraine, worsing the relation between the EU and Russia. An alliance between the EU, Russia and China would benefit most of the world. The USA has done already too many disasters.

[Dom]

NATO cannot and will not disappear because it is the only force against Russia's imperialist plans to expand itself into Europe. The World War 3 deterrence is something which holds Putin back. And NATO isn't a failure - in fact, Putin wanted to see less NATO with the help of his actions but his actions actually did the opposite. He gets to see more NATO, right at his doorstep and that shows that the alliance is well awake, lives with the times and ready to react as needed.

[Stakanov]

Russia is gaining more and more territory every day, Ukraine, which is 100% dependent on American aid, is seeing its support in its war gradually come to an end, Russia has won from the very first days, what is happening is simply the USA willing to finance the sacrifice of the Ukrainian population in order to "weaken Russia".

[=(^ ^)=]

Originally posted by Dom:

NATO cannot and will not disappear because it is the only force against Russia's imperialist plans to expand itself into Europe. The World War 3 deterrence is something which holds Putin back. And NATO isn't a failure - in fact, Putin wanted to see less NATO with the help of his actions but his actions actually did the opposite. He gets to see more NATO, right at his doorstep and that shows that the alliance is well awake, lives with the times and ready to react as needed.

Russia without China is nothing, and it's the EU who is keeping China in peace, while the USA is pushing China into joining the war.

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

Putin is a terrorist. Don't give him what he wants.

[Dom]

Originally posted by =(^ ^)=:

Originally posted by Dom:

NATO cannot and will not disappear because it is the only force against Russia's imperialist plans to expand itself into Europe. The World War 3 deterrence is something which holds Putin back. And NATO isn't a failure - in fact, Putin wanted to see less NATO with the help of his actions but his actions actually did the opposite. He gets to see more NATO, right at his doorstep and that shows that the alliance is well awake, lives with the times and ready to react as needed.

Russia without China is nothing, and it's the EU who is keeping China in peace, while the USA is pushing China into joining the war.

Well, USA is (at least currently) pushing peaceful relations with China and that includes the recent Biden-Xi meeting. Xi said that China wants to be a friend and partner of the US and that China is not going to fight a war against anyone. There are constant diplomatic efforts to strengthen that peace because it is in the interest of everyone - not just China or the US but the entire world.

[=(^ ^)=]

Originally posted by Stakanov:

Russia is gaining more and more territory every day, Ukraine, which is 100% dependent on American aid, is seeing its support in its war gradually come to an end, Russia has won from the very first days, what is happening is simply the USA willing to finance the sacrifice of the Ukrainian population in order to "weaken Russia".

This is according to the USA propaganda that made people think Ukraiine is getting money and weapons for free. The EU is strongly supporting Ukraine too, it's basically a 50% and 50%.

It's not true Russia won from the first day, they sieged Kyiv trying to annex the whole of Ukraine, but they failed, and now they are defending the lands they did invade. Their plan failed. But with the war in Palestine, the weapons sold to Ukraine will be less.

Originally posted by Abaddon the Despoiler:

Putin is a terrorist. Don't give him what he wants.

He is also an old man with few years left to live. Before the war the relation between the EU and Russia were very good, up to the point we were importing most of the oil from them, and Russians were granted to enter the EU with special passports.

Originally posted by Dom:

Originally posted by =(^ ^)=:

Russia without China is nothing, and it's the EU who is keeping China in peace, while the USA is pushing China into joining the war.

Well, USA is (at least currently) pushing peaceful relations with China and that includes the recent Biden-Xi meeting. Xi said that China wants to be a friend and partner of the US and that China is not going to fight a war against anyone. There are constant diplomatic efforts to strengthen that peace because it is in the interest of everyone - not just China or the US but the entire world.

Yes, these are the nice words, but this is what I see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYLHLsbW5xs

[secuda]

That would be Russias and Chinas dream move without doing anything.

[[N]ebsun]

Originally posted by =(^ ^)=:

All the NATO did were 2 stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because of that war criminal of bush who invocked the article 11 claiming the 9/11 was an attack against a NATO country.

NATO exists to prevent wars, not win them.

[Scorpion]

Just putting an end to its aggressive expansion, scheming and meddling in foreign affairs, suffices.

One does not need necessarily destroy; merely curating, is enough. Just oust the warmongering "vultures" and the thieving hyenas, that's more than enough!

[=(^ ^)=]

Originally posted by akismitrop:

Just putting an end to its aggressive expansion, scheming and meddling in foreign affairs, suffices.

One does not need necessarily destroy; merely curating, is enough. Just oust the warmongering "vultures" and the thieving hyenas, that's more than enough!

The NATO has already changed since the falled of the Soviet Union, right now the HQ is located in Bruxels, the next leader from the NATO might be Ursula, who is the president of the European Commission, while the next president of the European Commission might be Draghi, former president of the BCE, who is already talking about turning the EU in a nation.

However, at this point the NATO is nothing but an alliance between the EU and the USA, and if the interests of the 2 countries, the EU does not want any war with Russia or China, not to mention the middle east, the NATO might actually fail.

[Pocahawtness]

Originally posted by =(^ ^)=:

Since the war in Palestine and Israel happened, Ukraine, who was supported by the EU and the USA, has lost a lot of weapons that were meant to be sold to them, but are being sold to Israel.

All the NATO did were 2 stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because of that war criminal of bush who invocked the article 11 claiming the 9/11 was an attack against a NATO country.

Then they made a disaster war in the ex-Yugoslavia where for months they did nothing but bombing Bosnia.

For the rest, the NATO is nothing but an huge military expense for every country who is part of it.

We spend money, they do nothing.

If Ukraine doesn't get back its lands, and the NATO does nothing, I think we should disband this failure money waster of an alliance.

NATO is like a nuclear deterrent. It does not do "nothing".

And this is just another anti-American post.

[=(^ ^)=]

Originally posted by Pirate☠️Pocah:

Originally posted by =(^ ^)=:

Since the war in Palestine and Israel happened, Ukraine, who was supported by the EU and the USA, has lost a lot of weapons that were meant to be sold to them, but are being sold to Israel.

All the NATO did were 2 stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because of that war criminal of bush who invocked the article 11 claiming the 9/11 was an attack against a NATO country.

Then they made a disaster war in the ex-Yugoslavia where for months they did nothing but bombing Bosnia.

For the rest, the NATO is nothing but an huge military expense for every country who is part of it.

We spend money, they do nothing.

If Ukraine doesn't get back its lands, and the NATO does nothing, I think we should disband this failure money waster of an alliance.

NATO is like a nuclear deterrent. It does not do "nothing".

And this is just another anti-American post.

Also France and UK have nukes, and we don't neek 1k nukes to wipe down a city of 10 milion of people. And stop the victismis with this is another anti-American post because we are clearly talking about the NATO. And the NATO is not the USA.

[Hobbit XIII]

And the OP is allowed to vote, this is what is wrong with democracy.