why is mecha anime all done terribly?

[Kyle Nuva]

eureka 7

no one is likable at all

i dont think anything was explained

gun x sword

van and ray are both extremely despicable

Gurren Lagann

kamina is also despicable and a pervert, the others know that

he dies but they all miss him as if he was a great guy and a hero. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

dumb mechs too

darling in the franx

simp, hornball bait, extremely weeb and sexual

dumb mech and dumber enemies

code gease

amazing powers, can only be used once.. wtf

C.C is useless

pizza is forced, who do you think your show is? are you trying to rip off the tmnt? they didnt force it but this anime does

leouch doesnt do much

in season 2 hes nerfed and lost his awesome anubis mech that he magically found

after he and others were teleported mid battle to an island

knights and magic

jesus as a kid lives his dream in being a wizard expert in magic and mecha

somehow makes all the upgrades that no one in the kingdom could only dream of and btw, a teenager is borrowing the kids body

and all those monsters? ignored

the anime comes to a cliff hanger. lame

most of gundam

boring as ♥♥♥♥

power levels everywhere

bad plot and writing

annoying characters

bokurano

also pretty boring and you die just from piloting the mecha...

Dennou Boukenki Webdiver

boring and boring fights

friendship saved the day

nothing made sense

Yuusha Might Gaine

boring and quick boring fights

same final attack

hero always won and had cheated in some fights

friendship ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ won the day

only like four villains over and over again

thats ten mecha animes, maybe more all with the same problems.

not one thats really worth watching and thats terrible

[Goldias]

It's good but don't suit your taste.
And about half of that rant is not limit to mecha anime but usual Japanese anime.

You should try american made like transformers.

[Birds]

Originally posted by Goldias:

It's good but don't suit your taste.
And about half of that rant is not limit to mecha anime but usual Japanese anime.

You should try american made like transformers.

Transformers was scripted and plotted by a japanese studio then outsourced to the us for production and for sale in the american market. It was a Japanese creative product, bereft of the typical controls on intellectual output.

[Acetyl]

Originally posted by Birds:

Originally posted by Acetyl:

What's your take on Despera? Nakamura died of course, but other than this. It's been said Lain was shortened and obfuscated vs original intent as well, but I've never looked into it.

It seemed they sort of had a body (Texhnolyze), mind (SEL), and perhaps spirit (Despera) thing in formation.

The promotional image is very From Up on Poppy Hill meets Spirited Away, so from that I'm poised against what its visual language represents historically. The re-use of the Ain/Ein Bebop dog is another nail in its coffin as a no doubt highly derivative work of questionable purpose and merit. Otherwise I know nothing; details seem scant. As if on purpose, like it could have its entire essence altered to counter fan perception. As if there was hardly anything to edit. No meaningful narrative that needed to be maintained, or would be maintained.

I'd be skeptical of any instance of trinitarianism in Japanese media. It's like when they use the triangle tine as a dogwhistle thematic key in FLCL. It's a strange symbol to bring up.

Lain's original vision may have been more comprehensible in the modern era. Which given its subject matter, and some of the stuff coming to light today, is rather suspect. One wonders if it would have been as confusing as it is if it was left untouched.

I suspect that the best way to understand Lain, other than by adding "The Nightmare of Fabrication" and the game, is as a medium for Ericksonian hypnosis and to gradually construct and lead the viewer into a sort of ritual space. This ritual template is apparent from the opening sequence. It starts out with the overt material world, you're shown crows and so on. The line is blurred, a certain indirection and diffusion takes place, Lain is present everywhere and "reality" is distorted with the visuals. It puts a lot of text in the background, "inconvenient body" "Close the world, Open the nExt", these become anchors. Next it shows shots of the city, Lain walks through it and dissolves it all away. It ends with her climbing stairs (ascending), crossing a bridge, and then the beginning meets the end as a crow flies over and blows her bear hat off. She freezes the hat and the crow in midair. Bear representing life and the material world (maybe). Crow representing death. She finishes crossing the bridge. ie she realizes and leaves the world of life and death. It finishes with the green background and her I suppose analogizing, or digitizing, and dissolving away completely.

I would say that has all the elements of a certain gateway space, hypnosis, and a ritual. The ritual is repeated at the start of every episode. The bear suit and bear hat are linked and they fade away as it progresses. For people with a psych profile that uses clothing as anchor this is physically felt. It was well constructed. You can see this by the strong effect it had on certain people.

Last thing I'd say is "Serial Experiments Lain" gives 248 ordinal gematria. One other phrase that matches this is "human sacrifice" with reverse ordinal order. Via Agrippa's key it gives 999, fitting for closing one world and opening the next. The Japanese also seem fond of mathematical ciphers when dealing with the English alphabet, such as using the primes or triangular numbers. It gives 2022 with triangular numbers. Not sure if that means anything. From Texhnolyze though I know someone on the staff definitely encoded things with primes and polygonal numbers. I watched Lain a long time ago though, so there's probably a lot I didn't notice. I think Protocol 7 is referring to 7G though, not some sort of IPv7. Knights of the Eastern Calculus I'm not quite sure about.

edit: Also "Close the world, Open the nExt" gives 607 with a caps added cipher, 111th prime.

Originally posted by Birds:

Originally posted by Acetyl:

Hence the name. I don't disagree a case could be made for it, but I'd say it brings the ontological space a bit too close to the mundane. A person could view the body and mind as vehicles for the "spirit" right now, without cybernetic overtly networked consciousness with replaceable parts.

I think they massively undershot the degree of 'otherization' Matoko and Batou and others experience, and this has always been a sticking point in retrospectives from the production team. It didn't really go far enough with its subject matter and thus ruins most of the effort it spent building those forms.

This is part of why I liked GITS 2 Innocence. I recall being somewhat surprised when a certain person way back said they disliked it due to its "excessive quotes and name dropping". I thought this was the most fitting format possible for it. The entirety of existence was blurred and in between, "othered" to the individual themselves, the external environment, memory, time, others. It was dead, on the human layer. Not a dream and not reality. Even with cyberization the human concept, the Earth concept, was all tapped out. They had nothing left but memory, same old works, and the same old unresolved questions. This state of things had been made closer than ever, and all of them could see it and feel it down to the core. So much that they became aware they were trying to thwart it. Batou seeing Togusa give his daughter the doll at the end grounded that overarching theme.

[D. Flame]

Speaking of isekais, my favorite Mech anime is Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure.

[Rendezvous 9]

Well, basically any animes are crap.
Reason? 'cause they are overworked and underpaid.

[Grimmz]

try this one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GC5R_v-CFs

[Birds]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Speaking of isekais, my favorite Mech anime is Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure.

Underrated but I'm not sure what to think of the ending.

It kinda trashes isekai imo, which I think is the strength of the Muyoverse. Reality comes to you, you just need to deal with it either way.

Ofc the entire wave of anime saying stuff like this, such as Shingu: Secret of the Stellar Wars (original name is kind of bland,) was canned and flanderized to the point of complete nonsense. People are supposed to look outwards, for conquest. Apparently.

Originally posted by Grimmz:

try this one too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GC5R_v-CFs

Is this a RaveMaster reboot? RaveMaster was kinda like an early Ueki.

Also are those Ultimate Muscle Roller sound effects I hear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-UKrvYDUk

[Sigma957]

GUNDAM, bad mecha? Are you high?

Origin and Thunderbolt are one of the best stories to come out since 08th MS Team.

Unfortunately both are incomplete but that's on Bandai and Kadokawa.

[Stranger]

yes gundam is not very good anymore, and frankly it was always kind of bad.

it had heart though, once.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Stranger:

yes gundam is not very good anymore, and frankly it was always kind of bad.

it had heart though, once.

Gundam Wing was awesome though.

[Kyle Nuva]

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Ghost in the Shell had some great mecha stuff

Evangelion is classic

Robotech had F14's <not interested in the stories but the mecha was good>

just off the top of my head

Deca Dence was different but definitely interesting

that ♥♥♥♥ is NOT a classic

[Stranger]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Stranger:

yes gundam is not very good anymore, and frankly it was always kind of bad.

it had heart though, once.

Gundam Wing was awesome though.

it was depressing garbage about why nothing is good.

Endless Waltz was cool because he finally found and nuked the fascists at the end; despite their pleas that someone else will rise to replace them.

Someone might, but not those people.

Also he got to be with the lady, always a nice part of a good ending.

[Dracoco OwO]

Cause it's a dead genre and they no longer put any effort in it.

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Silver~Tail♠:

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Ghost in the Shell had some great mecha stuff

Evangelion is classic

Robotech had F14's <not interested in the stories but the mecha was good>

just off the top of my head

Deca Dence was different but definitely interesting

that ♥♥♥♥ is NOT a classic

Eva and GitS are classics for their era, and GitS 1+2 has quality narrative and thematic components to it regarding the complexity of identity and the difficult in establishing inherent meaning centered around identity.

Even if they're not exactly great.

Deca can't be a classic because it just came out 3 years ago.

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Dracoco OwO:

Cause it's a dead genre and they no longer put any effort in it.

But they've been killing it on purpose for no reason!