why is mecha anime all done terribly?

[Kyle Nuva]

eureka 7

no one is likable at all

i dont think anything was explained

gun x sword

van and ray are both extremely despicable

Gurren Lagann

kamina is also despicable and a pervert, the others know that

he dies but they all miss him as if he was a great guy and a hero. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

dumb mechs too

darling in the franx

simp, hornball bait, extremely weeb and sexual

dumb mech and dumber enemies

code gease

amazing powers, can only be used once.. wtf

C.C is useless

pizza is forced, who do you think your show is? are you trying to rip off the tmnt? they didnt force it but this anime does

leouch doesnt do much

in season 2 hes nerfed and lost his awesome anubis mech that he magically found

after he and others were teleported mid battle to an island

knights and magic

jesus as a kid lives his dream in being a wizard expert in magic and mecha

somehow makes all the upgrades that no one in the kingdom could only dream of and btw, a teenager is borrowing the kids body

and all those monsters? ignored

the anime comes to a cliff hanger. lame

most of gundam

boring as ♥♥♥♥

power levels everywhere

bad plot and writing

annoying characters

bokurano

also pretty boring and you die just from piloting the mecha...

Dennou Boukenki Webdiver

boring and boring fights

friendship saved the day

nothing made sense

Yuusha Might Gaine

boring and quick boring fights

same final attack

hero always won and had cheated in some fights

friendship ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ won the day

only like four villains over and over again

thats ten mecha animes, maybe more all with the same problems.

not one thats really worth watching and thats terrible

[Acetyl]

I wouldn't consider GITS SAC a mecha. It has tachikomas, that's about it. Cyborgs and androids are more cyberpunk.

[Birds]

Escrito originalmente por Acetyl:

I wouldn't consider GITS SAC a mecha. It has tachikomas, that's about it. Cyborgs and androids are more cyberpunk.

it presents the cyborgs as machines people inhabit, and builds on the 'machine self-perception' ethos of Takahashi's works.

[Yew Nough]

Voltron and IGPX were and are great.

[D. Flame]

Just watch better mech anime.

[Birds]

Escrito originalmente por Yew Nough:

Voltron and IGPX were and are great.

Doesn't IGPX have a Lyoko-esque cliffhanger?

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

Just watch better mech anime.

the ultimate thematic point of s-CRY-ed is that anime is being made to be genres it doesn't want to be in order to sell, and as a result only a very small portion of studios can thrive. this is done intentionally to cap competition, and results in series that are clearly supposed to be mecha instead being some kind of psychic creature battler. Kind of like what production kept pushing Jojo towards, at the expense of the plot as well as its own identity as one of the genre originators.

[Acetyl]

Escrito originalmente por Birds:

Escrito originalmente por Acetyl:

I wouldn't consider GITS SAC a mecha. It has tachikomas, that's about it. Cyborgs and androids are more cyberpunk.

it presents the cyborgs as machines people inhabit, and builds on the 'machine self-perception' ethos of Takahashi's works.

Hence the name. I don't disagree a case could be made for it, but I'd say it brings the ontological space a bit too close to the mundane. A person could view the body and mind as vehicles for the "spirit" right now, without cybernetic overtly networked consciousness with replaceable parts.

[Chronocide]

Escrito originalmente por Acetyl:

I wouldn't consider GITS SAC a mecha. It has tachikomas, that's about it. Cyborgs and androids are more cyberpunk.

Definitely some crossover between mecha and cyberpunk, but I recall some of the Ghost in the Shell villains having access to the larger mechanized suits at various points in the anime. That show isn't really mecha focused, since the scale is smaller (they're local police, so they don't really have access to warmachines).

[Birds]

Escrito originalmente por Acetyl:

Escrito originalmente por Birds:

it presents the cyborgs as machines people inhabit, and builds on the 'machine self-perception' ethos of Takahashi's works.

Hence the name. I don't disagree a case could be made for it, but I'd say it brings the ontological space a bit too close to the mundane. A person could view the body and mind as vehicles for the "spirit" right now, without cybernetic overtly networked consciousness with replaceable parts.

I think they massively undershot the degree of 'otherization' Matoko and Batou and others experience, and this has always been a sticking point in retrospectives from the production team. It didn't really go far enough with its subject matter and thus ruins most of the effort it spent building those forms.

[Tonepoet]

What about Big O?

[Birds]

Escrito originalmente por Tonepoet:

What about Big O?

Chameleon ending, purposefully knecapped due to risingg popularity. Wasn't finished the way the authors wanted, instead reworked into a kind of divisive conclusion.

Its best moments were treading in the footsteps of its predecessors, but I wouldn't call it terrible. it's pretty old at this point though.

[D. Flame]

knights and magic

jesus as a kid lives his dream in being a wizard expert in magic and mecha

somehow makes all the upgrades that no one in the kingdom could only dream of and

He is reincarnated from our world. He has a perspective on robots that they don't. He is not so much coming up with new ideas as he is introducing them to ideas from our world.

He is also an expert because he finds out that magic works similar to computer programming and he was a professional computer programmer in his previous life.

[Birds]

Escrito originalmente por D. Flame:

knights and magic

jesus as a kid lives his dream in being a wizard expert in magic and mecha

somehow makes all the upgrades that no one in the kingdom could only dream of and

He is reincarnated from our world. He has a perspective on robots that they don't. He is not so much coming up with new ideas as he is introducing them to ideas from our world.

He is also an expert because he finds out that magic works similar to computer programming and he was a professional computer programmer in his previous life.

It's vamping Escaflowne and Tsukaima no Zero's Gundalf aptitude simultaneously.

Little bit of steins;gate isekai too.

[Acetyl]

Escrito originalmente por Birds:

Escrito originalmente por Tonepoet:

What about Big O?

Chameleon ending, purposefully knecapped due to risingg popularity. Wasn't finished the way the authors wanted, instead reworked into a kind of divisive conclusion.

Its best moments were treading in the footsteps of its predecessors, but I wouldn't call it terrible. it's pretty old at this point though.

What's your take on Despera? Nakamura died of course, but other than this. It's been said Lain was shortened and obfuscated vs original intent as well, but I've never looked into it.

It seemed they sort of had a body (Texhnolyze), mind (SEL), and perhaps spirit (Despera) thing in formation.

[Birds]

Escrito originalmente por Acetyl:

Escrito originalmente por Birds:

Chameleon ending, purposefully knecapped due to risingg popularity. Wasn't finished the way the authors wanted, instead reworked into a kind of divisive conclusion.

Its best moments were treading in the footsteps of its predecessors, but I wouldn't call it terrible. it's pretty old at this point though.

What's your take on Despera? Nakamura died of course, but other than this. It's been said Lain was shortened and obfuscated vs original intent as well, but I've never looked into it.

It seemed they sort of had a body (Texhnolyze), mind (SEL), and perhaps spirit (Despera) thing in formation.

The promotional image is very From Up on Poppy Hill meets Spirited Away, so from that I'm poised against what its visual language represents historically. The re-use of the Ain/Ein Bebop dog is another nail in its coffin as a no doubt highly derivative work of questionable purpose and merit. Otherwise I know nothing; details seem scant. As if on purpose, like it could have its entire essence altered to counter fan perception. As if there was hardly anything to edit. No meaningful narrative that needed to be maintained, or would be maintained.

I'd be skeptical of any instance of trinitarianism in Japanese media. It's like when they use the triangle tine as a dogwhistle thematic key in FLCL. It's a strange symbol to bring up as multilateralism is the assumed mode, and fitting that into the hyper-christian 3-part system goes against close to a thousand years of cultural development. As FLCL suggests, it's kind of a dogwhistle, especially as a marker for Japanese Christianity which is a whole nother can of worms.

Lain's original vision may have been more comprehensible in the modern era. Which given its subject matter, and some of the stuff coming to light today, is rather suspect. One wonders if it would have been as confusing as it is if it was left untouched.

[ともり]

code Geass was good but it's the only one I've watched,not really into mechas tbf