kinda a bit regret moving from console to pc gaming

[iyFale Edvifin]

Used to be PS4 player, I moved to PC (<130W laptop) to reduce power consumption and have some modding fun, but ended up find out it's easier to buy and play AAA titles on console. Launchers and store exclusives are just annoying... I guess I can only watch gameplay videos for ubisoft games since I don't want to buy games with credit card directly on their store. (I use cash for physicals, prepaid/gift card on Steam and PSN)

[Plaid]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

me looking at my 1500W psu.. and my system that draws easely 500W passive (booted, but noting loaded) and 300W in sleeping mode...and way WAY more under load...

asking myself who in their right mind moves to PC from console "to save power"

the one thing console has going over PC gaming these days is :
you still OWN your games.
-you never have to worry steam abading your windows 7 making your games forever unplayable.
-you can freely secondhand buy and sell your games, pc gamners had that taken from them 20 years ago when this steam drm was launched
-you can easely lend your games to friends and family without restriction.

ofcourse the downside of console :
-it has turd hardware thats more than a decade behind any proper gaming pc
-the good games (strategy) do not apear on console, and when they do run crap.. so your rather genre limited on console.
-console players are on average younger.. and it is noticable in the online servers it's the difference between sitting in a pub with adult friends or having to subervise a class of pubecent 10-12yo's.. hell!
-console gamers have shorter attention span, aka NOOBS, they are the ones who want the instant gratification of plug and plag and handholding, aka dumbing down of games.
What we PC gamers find dumb, we like to spend hours and hours in "getting good" and to spend easely 3 times more times on forums and in manuals than playing the game.

300w while in sleep mode? That's what you call a "power nap". sheesh.

[Xero_Daxter]

You can always move back. Lol.

[Ganger]

iyFale Edvifin a écrit :

Used to be PS4 player, I moved to PC (<130W laptop) to reduce power consumption and have some modding fun, but ended up find out it's easier to buy and play AAA titles on console. Launchers and store exclusives are just annoying... I guess I can only watch gameplay videos for ubisoft games since I don't want to buy games with credit card directly on their store. (I use cash for physicals, prepaid/gift card on Steam and PSN)

So go back to playing on consoles, what is stopping you... first world problems.

[Xero_Daxter]

Ganger a écrit :

iyFale Edvifin a écrit :

Used to be PS4 player, I moved to PC (<130W laptop) to reduce power consumption and have some modding fun, but ended up find out it's easier to buy and play AAA titles on console. Launchers and store exclusives are just annoying... I guess I can only watch gameplay videos for ubisoft games since I don't want to buy games with credit card directly on their store. (I use cash for physicals, prepaid/gift card on Steam and PSN)

So go back to playing on consoles, what is stopping you... first world problems.

People who complain needs to live a 3rd world life for at least a month. Maybe then they’ll stop complaining.

[Ganger]

Xero_Daxter a écrit :

Ganger a écrit :

So go back to playing on consoles, what is stopping you... first world problems.

People who complain needs to live a 3rd world life for at least a month. Maybe then they’ll stop complaining.

I don't follow what the OP is trying to say in this case. As a gamer it shouldn't even be a issue if your a pc gamer or console gamer. You should embrace all forms of gaming.

I get what he is saying about the stores and launchers, can be a pain and I fully understand this.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Ganger a écrit :

Xero_Daxter a écrit :

People who complain needs to live a 3rd world life for at least a month. Maybe then they’ll stop complaining.

I don't follow what the OP is trying to say in this case. As a gamer it shouldn't even be a issue if your a pc gamer or console gamer. You should embrace all forms of gaming.

I get what he is saying about the stores and launchers, can be a pain and I fully understand this.

a person who occational does play a game, does NOT qualify to be called a gamer.

a gamer = on pc
you aint a gamer unless on pc.
those kids on console are called players.

on top of that there are a lot other mindsets and abilities one must have even if you play on a pc, before you earned the title of gamer.

nothing bugs me more than when a magazine states the 20 best GAMES of this year..
and 18 of them are console crap.. THOSE AINT GAMES.. false advertisement!

if OP not wants to be a gamer, but a player.. thats fine to me.
-> I may not like players, but as long as they stay in their own corner with their own made for their platform cardridges.. thats fine for me.

-> I do oppose games being multiplatform these days and what that to end.. but thats not something OP or any consolegamer can change.. thats upto the industry.
I think each being cathered their own custom made games.. each for their own platform.. will give us all a better experience without needing to get anoyed by eachother.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Plaid a écrit :

300w while in sleep mode? That's what you call a "power nap". sheesh.

aye:)
to be fair.. in the months electricity was 1.20 euro per kwh.. I did leave my pc off..
that war with russia my goverment had to get involved in against my will I paid BADLY for..
and at current 40 cent per kwh.. it still aint fun..

my next pc I will give powerdraw a bit more mindfullness..
but still expect a hefty draw under load.

sleepmode is something I have learned not to use... I now just turn it off when I'm not using it.

[Ganger]

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

a person who occational does play a game, does NOT qualify to be called a gamer.

a gamer = on pc
you aint a gamer unless on pc.
those kids on console are called players.

on top of that there are a lot other mindsets and abilities one must have even if you play on a pc, before you earned the title of gamer.

nothing bugs me more than when a magazine states the 20 best GAMES of this year..
and 18 of them are console crap.. THOSE AINT GAMES.. false advertisement!

if OP not wants to be a gamer, but a player.. thats fine to me.
-> I may not like players, but as long as they stay in their own corner with their own made for their platform cardridges.. thats fine for me.

-> I do oppose games being multiplatform these days and what that to end..

Sorry dude, but I really need to call this out as nonsense. A gamer is someone who plays games, period. I though we steam users were past this PC elite mentality.

And in regards to me not playing games much... your correct there. I don't play much these days either on the PC or consoles, due to lack of time and other real life commitments and most importantly, im bored of most games.

[iyFale Edvifin]

GhostyOsty a écrit :

Majority of triple A games are on Steam though.

I guess I just missed some ubisoft games. The publisher is terrible but the developer often make some fun games (not necessary mean great game) from time to time.

Pieshaman a écrit :

laptop = not pc gaming
it is pain for your neck thats all.

if playing at high/ultra setting in 1440p at 60p without upscaling is a neck pain then I don't know what pc gaming is. PS4 consume somewhere around 200W and it still managed to made my room warm, so I thought it would be better play game with something more efficiency. My current gaming laptop can run games at 60fps under 80W (103W if I uncap framerate & some other stuffs) but I want it consume less power.

Crazy Tiger a écrit :

Why the move anyway? You can easily use both PC/laptop and consoles, it's not mutually exclusive.

The time I moved to PC gaming is around PS5 debut.

Dutchgamer1982 a écrit :

-> only cash bought prepaycards.. thats indeed very childlike.

I simply don't trust game company internet security and avoid using credit card as much as possible in daily life.

[kilésengati]

Unless you need a tax-deductible gaming rig for school or work, gaming laptops are not a good choice for gaming to begin with. But that doesn't seem to be your main issue anyway.

Exclusives, third-party launchers, non-transferable (even expiring) licences and multiple layers of DRM are always annoying and anti-consumer, no matter on which platform. But Ubisoft is particularly bad at this.
However, I don't think games are more difficult to buy on PC than they are on consoles. A fair bunch of games (particularly Ubisoft's "triple-A" titles) are still peddled by electronics and media stores, even if it's just a box with a key.

For online purchases one thing is pretty important though: When you are buying online, sooner or later you will need online banking because gift cards and guest purchases have their limitations. Thankfully, Steam accepts escrow now where I live, but only since fairly recently and most sites still only do take mainstream credit and debit cards, having the escrow stuff handled via PayPal.
For refunds alone I stopped using prepaid and gift cards and got a bank account with PayPal instead. Alternatives to PayPal are available, but they are not as widely accepted. And if you are using your PayPal only as a consumer cheque account strictly for trusted sites and do proper opsec, chances are low you'll get screwed. PayPal isn't perfect, I wish there was a widely accepted alternative by cooperative banks to it, but such is our corporate dystopia.

The only issues I see people could have with online banking are if they are gullible and don't do proper opsec; or if they simply can't handle it, but need to hold physical money in their hands to understand what they can afford.
If you are either kind of person and can live without refunds, maybe better stick to gift cards and just don't buy games from publishers that don't accept e-cash as currency.

[iyFale Edvifin]

kilésengati a écrit :

However, I don't think games are more difficult to buy on PC than they are on consoles. A fair bunch of games (particularly Ubisoft's "triple-A" titles) are still peddled by electronics and media stores, even if it's just a box with a key.

Games made for console can be purchase at the console-specific game store without requiring downloading another app or storefront... at least that is what I experienced while I was still gaming on console...

Never thought about refunding but there's only 1 game in 20 years that I wished I could refund

[kilésengati]

iyFale Edvifin a écrit :

kilésengati a écrit :

However, I don't think games are more difficult to buy on PC than they are on consoles. A fair bunch of games (particularly Ubisoft's "triple-A" titles) are still peddled by electronics and media stores, even if it's just a box with a key.

Games made for console can be purchase at the console-specific store without requiring downloading another app or storefront... at least that is what I experienced while I was still gaming on console...

Never thought about refunding but there's only 1 game in 20 years that I wished I could refund

Well, with great choice and powers comes great work and responsibility.

Consoles are walled-gardens and most manufacturers don't allow other stores on there, which is an anti-competitive practice.
Windows comes with the Windows Store pre-installed, which has some games on offer, but thankfully nobody is forced to sell their software through it. Also, games bought there will never work with another operating system like Linux.

If you want to buy and download something from a different storefront other than what Windows ships with, you gotta open the browser and get the software required to do so from official and trusted sources.

If installing these programs manually like a cavemen, by downloading it through the browser, isn't for you, you can also use package managers like the pre-installed winget. Just open the PowerShell and DO NOT mindlessly copy-paste these prompts into it, but first find out what they do, then if you decide they are good, proceed with each prompt individually and with care.

WinGet tutorial: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/package-manager/
WinGet Installer (if not already installed): https://aka.ms/getwinget
Unofficial WinGet package search engine: https://winget.run/

Steam:

winget install -e --id Valve.Steam

GOG Galaxy:

winget install -e --id GOG.Galaxy

Minecraft Launcher:

winget install -e --id Mojang.MinecraftLauncher

Ubisoft Connect (formerly Uplay):

winget install -e --id Ubisoft.Connect

EA App (formerly Origin):

winget install -e --id ElectronicArts.EADesktop

Epic Games Launcher:

winget install -e --id EpicGames.EpicGamesLauncher

It could be that the PowerShell must be run with elevated privileges do install programs for all users.

For Linux, there are pretty decent library managers like Lutris that take care of that install process for the most part, but are not capable of running all Windows games.

If installing additional software at all isn't for you, then computing isn't for you.
There's no shame in that, many people prefer taking the blue pill.

And never forget: Always use software at your own discretion and always make backups!

[talemore]

Hobbit XIII a écrit :

Birds a écrit :

in the 90s governments were directly subsidizing games in order to protect studios from foreign powers attempting hostile takeovers.

I'll take your word for it.

There were many games I played in the 90s none of them got funds from the government, couple got tax breaks but that is a us thing and I am not an accountant.

EA is on the stock market.

Try tell the government to not by EA stocks.

The takeover is that companies dies because the tax laws make it an impossible task. The government make sure that the chosen ones survive and why the rest of the companies are told to flee.

Tax is given to tell people we don't need you. Tax is given to companies when the government need them.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

>laptop
Not a pc gaming

[Morkonan]

Birds a écrit :

...
in the 90s governments were directly subsidizing games in order to protect studios from foreign powers attempting hostile takeovers...

While I'm sure "Protectionism" exists, a lot of governments do things like this to support their Tech Sector development and to encourage growth in that industrial sector. Grants and government funding allow companies to grow, hire and train new tech workers, support internships, transfer tech applications from government/other to commercial industries to strengthen the sector, etc.

iyFale Edvifin a écrit :

kinda a bit regret moving from console to pc gaming

Why not... both? With the higher tier of Xbox's Gamepass, you can also use it for some PC games. (I don't know how that works, but it's offered. /shrug)

IMO - The biggest differences are availability, price, and modding. Console versions just don't go on sale like PC versions, they may not be available on PC/Console/vice-versa, and... console games can't normally be modded. (The last is a big deal for me.)

PC Gaming is better and cheaper, all around, on a per-game basis. Console sure is easy, though. You do you, 'cause there really shouldn't be any war among gamers about "who" is better. It should just be about the actual titles people are playing and which one is better on what platform that a player has access to.