Law for digital ownership?

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

We don't actually own our digital games. That's the issue with digital goods. Some kind of law needs to be made for digital products. Sony and Nintendo have already proven that digital goods can be taken away from us. If a law was to be made, what would you want it to look like?

[potato]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

If a law was to be made, what would you want it to look like?

like potato

[fnv]

we need to start a war

[Siluva]

I feel like it's quite impossible.

Thanks to the dematerialized market your only way to get games is to go trough providers such as Steam, GoG, EGS, ect ect ect. This allow them to force you to sign abusive EULA where they can pull the rug under your feet whenever they feel like it and for whatever reasons.
You would talk about DRM free games and platform such as GoG, but the day GoG disappear, your games disappear too unless you saved them somewhere.

The only way to truly own games would be to get back to physical copies, unfortunately I wouldn't count on it because devs don't bother anymore and throw at you over 100gb of nothing burgers and the industry don't seem interested in developing a physical support for those games either.

Plus going back to physical copies would be an assle to publishers, that would mean they have to release a working game + they can't mess with DLCs and pricing anymore, in other words, they wouldn't be able to screw you that easily, what a bore for them.

Now a law about punishing those who deliver a faulty product would be welcome, broken games (especially AAA) on release is unacceptable.

[gugnihr]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

We don't actually own our digital games. That's the issue with digital goods. Some kind of law needs to be made for digital products. Sony and Nintendo have already proven that digital goods can be taken away from us. If a law was to be made, what would you want it to look like?

Listen, I hate Nintendo, Scumtaro Furukawa is scum, but if I had to pick an example I would have picked Ubisoft not Nintendo nor Sony in that regard. Nintendo with Scumtaro Furukawa has become horrible but Ubisoft I think is worse at least in that regard (digital ownership)

Anyway I do not care anymore about that stuff too much simply because most recent games suck and basically I already own almost every game that I really want. I should check if I can play NaissanceE without Steam but 1) I trust Steam enough 2) I'm too lazy to do that and 3) sadly NaissanceE replayability is not that high so... I'm not in a hurry to check that. Other than that and maybe a few other similar cases believe me I own every game that I really like and really want and modern games don't give me good enough reasons to care about ownership... I'm not even sad about that anymore I just started to buy toys instead of new games. Toys are great and I like to keep playing older games so I have nothing to complain.

[Ganger]

Come the 31st December, Sony is removing/deleting contain people have purchased over licencing issues. This has upset quite a number of people.

What we need to find out is, do we has consumers have any legal rights in regards to this ? We agree to all the terms, ToS's and Eula's, so we know this is always a possibility.

Even in gaming, valve will remove your rights to trade the items you have legit purchased if your account is caught cheating.

[Lilim]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

We don't actually own our digital games.

We didn't own our physical copies either.

You just didn't read the fine print back then .

[Ganger]

Originally posted by Lilim:

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

We don't actually own our digital games.

We didn't own our physical copies either.

You just didn't read the fine print back then :hp_kyu:.

Well your wrong and your also right. You own the media the game, music or movie comes on. So you free to do what you wish with the media. It's just the data on said media you don't own as it still belongs to the IP holder.

Im a collector of old games and some of the titles are worth some money to other collectors.

[Ganger]

People have championed digital distribution for years now and know no better. I no longer believe in digital distribution and yearn for physical media again to take control of my entertainment again. Younger gamer's don't even know a time when we could trade-in, lead or simply sell our games. We are all warped on digital and convenience, we are prepared to throw away our rights to the highest bidder.

[Bing Chilling]

honestly it does worry me that if steam were to go under
i would loose thousands of dollars of games or dlc

there should be a law that allows people to own these digital licenses
even if a company goes under or just decides to close a certain shop

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

Originally posted by Ganger:

Well your wrong and your also right. You own the media the game, music or movie comes on. So you free to do what you wish with the media. M

Not true, there have always been laws about showing media in public places to people who haven't paid for it.

You have never been able to make copies of it and sell it, because it's not yours.

[Ganger]

Originally posted by Abaddon the Despoiler:

Originally posted by Ganger:

Well your wrong and your also right. You own the media the game, music or movie comes on. So you free to do what you wish with the media. M

Not true, there have always been laws about showing media in public places to people who haven't paid for it.

You have never been able to make copies of it and sell it, because it's not yours.

I never said you can show it in public or even make copies. All I said over two posts was that you can do what you wish with the media be it sell, trade or give it away.

[Le fishe au chocolat]

Just buy stuffs, then find way to keep them yourself.
As long as you don't share the modded files, you are safe from lawsuits.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

honestly it does worry me that if steam were to go under
i would loose thousands of dollars of games or dlc

there should be a law that allows people to own these digital licenses
even if a company goes under or just decides to close a certain shop

Yeah, or there should be something where a company has to reimburse the customer if they were to remove a game that they had already paid for.

[Ganger]

Originally posted by ω猫:

Just buy stuffs, then find way to keep them yourself.
As long as you don't share the modded files, you are safe from lawsuits.

We shouldn't have to do that. Once you purchase a something, you should be able to replay, watch or listen to it forever if you wish to do so. And gamer should be in 100% agreement with this statement.

For example.... what if valve went bust one day and closed up shop ? if this was to happen we would lose access to all our games and content we have purchase. I know valve once stated they would release a patch but would 3rd parties developers even agree to this, I think not.

This is why when I purchase digital stuff now, I see it as basically renting.

It's just me and my thoughts on this matter.

[Ganger]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

honestly it does worry me that if steam were to go under
i would loose thousands of dollars of games or dlc

there should be a law that allows people to own these digital licenses
even if a company goes under or just decides to close a certain shop

Yeah, or there should be something where a company has to reimburse the customer if they were to remove a game that they had already paid for.

These business have lawyers 24/7 on hand to advice them in regards to this. This is why they have have terms, ToS's and Eula's that we all must agree too. So we can't turn round and say, we didn't know.... but honestly who reads Eula's and ToS's