Vegan diet is ultimately healthier

[Holografix]

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-vegan-cardiovascular.html

[WhiteKnight77]

What I don't understand about vegans and their thought train of meat being murder is that they are eating plants that have to be killed, but also convert carbon dioxide to oxygen, which is ultimately a good thing in looking at climate change.

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There are studies that show a vegan diet is healthier, but there's an equal number of studies that show the opposite.

If you look at meta-analyses of these studies, it quite clearly points to the two main factors being a high intake of fibre and a low intake of saturated fats.

When it comes to general nutritional health, whether or not you consume animal products is more or less irrelevant. Fibre and saturated fats are what matter. You also have to consider that, on average, vegans are much more health conscious. The average omnivore puts little thought into what they're consuming.

Source: I'm a pathologist working in food safety. I study this kind of stuff for a living.

I believe there is health merit to cutting some kinds of meat, particularly red meat and certain organs like liver, but I also agree there is likely more correlation than causation for the reason you mentioned that vegans are simply more conscious of their eating habits in general. Eat an Impossible Whopper every day and you'll be just as unhealthy if not more so as you would be if you consumed the real thing.

[Azza ☠]

My little cousin is a vegan, due to being a hardcore pet lover (he also has like 12 pets).

Sure, he's slim and fit.

Yet he also requires at least iron supplements daily to stay healthy.

Almost all vegan diets will need a supplement boost of:
- Vitamin B12
- Vitamin D
- Long-chain omega-3s
- Iron (highest missing requirement lacking in vegan diets for human health)
- Calcium
- Zinc
- Iodine
- Selenium (optional: small amount)

It's pretty much essential for all vegans.

[Lokaror]

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Hmm.. Maybe so, but isn't it like.. Two times or three times as expensive in the end?
Meaning, only the rich people can truly afford such a diet..

I see this confusion about price all the time... not sure where it comes from... but, 2 pounds of beans is like what, a few dollars (same goes for rice/pasta)? Whereas a couple of pounds of beef is what, 20?

Sure, if you have time to cook every single meal your self. Buying pre-packaged anything is loads cheaper and often will have animal products of some kind. Alot of people live in places/lives where if they wanted to actually do a healthy vegan diet they would spent a significantly larger amount of time (that they don't often have) to eat a healthy vegan diet. Its why i mentioned food deserts, among other factors. Thats not something inherently wrong with veganism, just the world in general. Modern conveniences like prepackaged foods create new modern problems.

[Talby]

İlk olarak mf tom tarafından gönderildi:

There are studies that show a vegan diet is healthier, but there's an equal number of studies that show the opposite.

If you look at meta-analyses of these studies, it quite clearly points to the two main factors being a high intake of fibre and a low intake of saturated fats.

When it comes to general nutritional health, whether or not you consume animal products is more or less irrelevant. Fibre and saturated fats are what matter. You also have to consider that, on average, vegans are much more health conscious. The average omnivore puts little thought into what they're consuming.

Source: I'm a pathologist working in food safety. I study this kind of stuff for a living.

this is good, common sense. We must endure the "scientific facts" pushed by state-sanctioned agencies disguised as health orgs that say meat will be bad for us

[Azza ☠]

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My little cousin is a vegan, due to being a hardcore pet lover (he also has like 12 pets).

Sure, he's slim and fit.

Yet he also requires at least iron supplements daily to stay healthy.

Almost all vegan diets will need a supplement boost of:
- Vitamin B12
- Vitamin D
- Long-chain omega-3s
- Iron
- Calcium
- Zinc
- Iodine

It's pretty much essential for all vegans.

Like a person can't get any of those nutrients, minerals or vitamins from plants or fruits.

Most iron is from Meat, poultry and fish. Next highest source of iron is from Eggs. Vegans don't eat...

There's lower levels available in beans, peas, and tofu. Vegatables like spinach and beets. Nuts... but the amount you would need to eat each day to insane and pretty gross for a young teenager at least. Nuts have a ton of 'healthy' fats but you shouldn't eat massive amounts to just get enough iron, for example.

[Χάρης]

İlk olarak Holografix tarafından gönderildi:

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-vegan-cardiovascular.html

People who aren't vegan could just do the same, how about you come up with some arguements yourself? I mean it's easy to say that " x diet is healthier ", post a link and never reply.

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İlk olarak mf tom tarafından gönderildi:

There are studies that show a vegan diet is healthier, but there's an equal number of studies that show the opposite.

If you look at meta-analyses of these studies, it quite clearly points to the two main factors being a high intake of fibre and a low intake of saturated fats.

When it comes to general nutritional health, whether or not you consume animal products is more or less irrelevant. Fibre and saturated fats are what matter. You also have to consider that, on average, vegans are much more health conscious. The average omnivore puts little thought into what they're consuming.

Source: I'm a pathologist working in food safety. I study this kind of stuff for a living.

Great! Then, could you provide citations for the "equal number of studies that show the opposite?"

I'm not a vegan and won't ever be and I don't have a dog in this fight... I stay out of such arguments of "absolutes."

For "pure" veganism, I might agree with you just as a matter of practical sense - Most people couldn't find the few rare foods needed to provide all of the nutritional requirements of a pure vegan diet. Not everyone has a "Vegan Whole Foods" next door. My grocery store sucks, so I'd quickly be B12 deficient without supplements if I was a vegan. Which I never plan on being. I also only eat a limited amount of certain meats just by preference. /shrug

But, that they're actually "the opposite" in some other way isn't something I've read about. So... "citation please?" :)

PS: Pardon, but couldn't resist - "Dietary Pathologist"... read a certain way sounds like you study "poop." :)

I'm not sure why he'd make the claim 'at the end of the day only things that matter is upping your fiber intake and lowering your saturated fat intake' and then in the same breath state that 'meat is irrelevant', when meat/dairy is basically the highest source of saturated fats out there... so it's like... if you eat less of it and substitute with plants... lo and behold, your sat fat intake reduces and your fiber increases... lol.

Also, I doubt there are many 'studies' out there showing a vegan diet is unhealthy, if there are, they're probably mainly centered around deficiencies (which can be fixed, if you're careful), and not the actual vegan food being bad for you (such as the case with processed meats in studies, for example).

[Azza ☠]

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Most iron is from Meat, poultry and fish. Next highest source of iron is from Eggs. Vegans don't eat...

There's lower levels available in beans, peas, and tofu. Vegatables like spinach and beets. Nuts... but the amount you would need to eat each day to insane and pretty gross for a young teenager.

Funny how broccoli has plenty of iron for survival. And a person really doesn't need that much of amount either to get on to the next day.

I would agree, it's still possible, even getting higher levels than a meat eater, but yeah all depends on your meals and the amount. He doesn't personally eat that much. Plus if you have taste buds.

I personally wouldn't mind cooked broccoli with a white cheese sauce, as a side, not an entire plate. Vegans don't even eat cheese... so even my skills at cooking are a bit limited for taste. Still I have no issues with cooking him up a vegan meal. He has no issues with me eating meat either. I can respect that.

[Morkonan]

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and not the actual vegan food being bad for you (such as the case with processed meats in studies, for example).

I agree.

But, I'm not an expert, so I'm interested to see what could support such claims. /shrug

[Auckes]

Yes, we should support vegans with all our might, till their end! Love and support those nature-defying saints; MOAR MEAT FOR US! Resources are scarce and precious, overpopulation really is a thing!

[Tsubame ⭐]

Correlation does not imply causation.

Health studies involving humans are rarely true experiments and hence should be taken with a grain of salt.

Just because meats are associated with - slight - increased risk of health issues does not mean they are the reason of such problems.

1 - People that eat meats may be prone to eating other foods that are not as healthy.
2 - People that eat meats may be prone to being less physically active.
3 - People that eat veggies alone may be prone to being more health consciencious as a whole.
4 - Meats are often cooked using methods that can increase health risks - i.e. grilling. High temperatures do generate carcinogens. Veggies are often eaten raw.

Etc. etc.

[Your_White_Knight]

İlk olarak Holografix tarafından gönderildi:

Vegan diet is ultimately healthier

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/11/twin-diet-vegan-cardiovascular.html

From "Biden 2024" to "Vegan"... just anything for attention eh OP?

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I see this confusion about price all the time... not sure where it comes from... but, 2 pounds of beans is like what, a few dollars (same goes for rice/pasta)? Whereas a couple of pounds of beef is what, 20?

That's just one thing, but the variety is what's supposed to be and shall be considered.. Not just a few things that are way too easy to nitpick, because that's not how people do eat.
They don't eat the same meat every single day, but different kinds of meats, sometimes even pass on the meat from time to time and go for something different.

See, again, I'm not sure where you're coming from. When I tried to go vegan for a little while, I instantly saw cost-saving benefits.

Yeah, you eat a variet of plants, there's tofu, beans, pasta, legumes, rice, frozen veggies. Literally all of them cost a couple of dollars for a couple of pounds.

And yeah, you eat a variety of meat, there's chicken, beef, lamb, and let's say, some cheeses. And literally all of them, cost 20$ or so for a couple of pounds.

[S22]

I grill meat in the morning, midday and evening (and sometimes at nights). Do you got a problem with that? Cause if you do, I'll brodown for sure.