Sex with the same gender is observed in animals. But it is a natural phenomenon in Mammals to kill their offspring who are unfit.

[Capt Spack Jarrow]

I stumbled across a video tonight out of the blue after watching a video named "Logan Paul is the most Evil man on the internet".


Here is this video, for some this is a very strong subject, but it is truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2qn2Akp6jg

What I have gathered from this is just reality.

The lead singer of The Lost Prophets is known as a paedophile and child destroyer.
This occurs also in other mammals, where a female will kill her young or have them set as below as they find a new mate so that then the connection to the father is not unclean.
Essentially they eat or kill the babies, often times the female will also eat all of her young just for survival, need for food. Step parents always treat children not their own below their own, in all humans.

Now what does this have to do with non straight people?

Nature is being held back by the delusion of being in a society (It is a delusion because it only occurs with humans), this is because we have no competition in the animal kingdom, so making sure our kids don't come out less than expected we would kill them, this is recorded in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

It still goes on to this day in other places, babies found in bins... abortions.. people now not wanting to have kids at all, it's all a natural response to the living factors around them.

The people who do bore children and they have defects and they try their best for them are miserable and often seated with deep regret later in life, they often too are delusional in many aspects of intelligence and are what we call "followers of whatever law or trend occurs".


There have been warnings and wise people telling us for decades, the downfall of society yet everyone seems to be ignorant to the facts.

All I know is, if ever this world that we are in today, comes close to being in survival mode again, queers, trans, defective people will be killed and no one will bat an eye lid.

It is our true nature just like the animal kingdom, a complete reflection of living on Earth.

I sincerely hope us humans don't screw it for the rest.

[The nameless Gamer]

Messaggio originale di ZZZZZ:

Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:

Then you should by all means read "Sapiens" by Yuval Noa Harari. The average human is far less capable of survival than an average house cat.

the average house cat easily ranks above 95% of all species so its not a fair comparison but besides that there were many cultures in the past where isolation was a common practise.. lets also not forget that the humans survived long enough to form societies to begin with

Not going to dispute that. But how many of us do you think would survive naked and isolated without a single tool? I doubt people practicing isolation do so without thick, all-round clothing and a myriad of tools. Without a secure shelter, source of fresh water (humans can drink only HIGHLY pristine water, can't exactly drink from a random puddle) and something to cook food on? Even a small cut carries the hazard of sepsis. Even something as basic as BREAD requires dozens of people involved to be made. You might say we survived because we formed societies.

[ZZZZZ]

Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:

Messaggio originale di ZZZZZ:

the average house cat easily ranks above 95% of all species so its not a fair comparison but besides that there were many cultures in the past where isolation was a common practise.. lets also not forget that the humans survived long enough to form societies to begin with

Not going to dispute that. But how many of us do you think would survive naked and isolated without a single tool? I doubt people practicing isolation do so without thick, all-round clothing and a myriad of tools. Without a secure shelter, source of fresh water (humans can drink only HIGHLY pristine water, can't exactly drink from a random puddle) and something to cook food on? Even a small cut carries the hazard of sepsis. Even something as basic as BREAD requires dozens of people involved to be made. You might say we survived because we formed societies.

I think u underestimate human advantages, our hands are made to craft even without big tools, we can also craft our own tools.. the naked skin is a massive advantage cause it allows us to adjust to any kind of temperature, any kind of gear can be aligned to the human body thanks to the smooth skin and the precise fingers..
we can see that tons of people can survive dirty water in poor countries.. while some people die the vast majority survives, not to forget that many humans survived the massive plague outbreaks.. and in remote areas u still see people making their own bread

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Humans do the same, its called filicide

[Dracoco OwO]

First off Lions are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ so is many cats ofc they kill their own offsprings.

[The nameless Gamer]

Messaggio originale di ZZZZZ:

Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:

Not going to dispute that. But how many of us do you think would survive naked and isolated without a single tool? I doubt people practicing isolation do so without thick, all-round clothing and a myriad of tools. Without a secure shelter, source of fresh water (humans can drink only HIGHLY pristine water, can't exactly drink from a random puddle) and something to cook food on? Even a small cut carries the hazard of sepsis. Even something as basic as BREAD requires dozens of people involved to be made. You might say we survived because we formed societies.

I think u underestimate human advantages, our hands are made to craft even without big tools, we can also craft our own tools.. the naked skin is a massive advantage cause it allows us to adjust to any kind of temperature, any kind of gear can be aligned to the human body thanks to the smooth skin and the precise fingers..
we can see that tons of people can survive dirty water in poor countries.. while some people die the vast majority survives, not to forget that many humans survived the massive plague outbreaks.. and in remote areas u still see people making their own bread

Maybe society isn't necessary for survival. But it is necessary for our species to thrive. Not the least because of how varied our more specific capabilities are. Without society our knowledge accumulation and progress wouldn't have happened. Maybe we wouldn't even have developed the ability to speak. We would just have remained bare-skinned apes who can craft simple tools. Would that have been for the better? I don't know. Our species took the path of cognitive and societal revolution instead of the wilderness path. So that remains in the realm of thought experiments. Many of us, as we are, would not survive the collapse of society. Would that define us as weak? Not necessarily. It's just that our current model of life requires a variety of "strengths". A more individualistic, more feral model of life is completely unknown to most of us. We're all a product of our environment and 200.000+ years of evolution.

[The nameless Gamer]

Messaggio originale di Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

The best option for survival at the moment is an ironic twist of : "living in a society yet trying to stay as isolated and anonymous as possible ...and constantly ready to uproot and flee in the face of destabilization." I hate this option...

While I loved your reply as a whole, this specific part is what had the most impact. And it's actually not as ironic as you may think. I'd break it down into two stations
1) Never show everyone your entire deck of cards. Always have a part of yourself you don't show to anyone.
2) Common well-being stops where personal well-being begins. Unless it's family or someone who'd do the same for you NEVER sacrifice your well-being for the common good.

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Messaggio originale di gugnihr:

I really hate when people use comparison with nature to defend their arguments because nature is cruel, evil, perverted... all the worst words you can think about they probably are fit to describe nature.
I don't know for sure and I absolutely do not care uf sex with the same gender is observed in animals or not because this is an awful arguments.
Go eat random mushrooms, berries and herbs you find around and let's see how good and nice nature is.
I hate this mindset I hate when people talk like that.
The only valid argument is that sex with the same gender don'0t harm anyone and it just makes some people happy so why not let those people be happy the only way that works for them?
^ thiis is a valid argument, not "it happens in wild nature too"... nature is awful, cruel, filthy, despicable, who cares what happens in nature? For sure I don't. We would still live inside caves if what happens in nature was so good.

I think "it happens in nature" is a good counter to those who say its unnatural, which is obviously isnt if it occurs in nature.

But I get your point. Nature doesnt care about morals, so it should not be considered a moral authority.

[Not Big Surprise]

tbf, people don't usually bring up the fact that gay animals exist in nature as a point in itself, but more so as a rebuttal to the idea that being gay is somehow "unnatural"
and similar things apply to gender nonconformity

with that out of the way... why the ♥♥♥♥ do you lump queerness with "defects"

[The nameless Gamer]

Messaggio originale di Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:

While I loved your reply as a whole, this specific part is what had the most impact. And it's actually not as ironic as you may think. I'd break it down into two stations
1) Never show everyone your entire deck of cards. Always have a part of yourself you don't show to anyone.
2) Common well-being stops where personal well-being begins. Unless it's family or someone who'd do the same for you NEVER sacrifice your well-being for the common good.

It was basically a summary of the rest of the parts, but on its own, it doesn't actually explain WHY that is the best option for survival.

There can be many different types of societies and unfortunately, right now the biggest and most powerful ones in the world are deeply flawed. Oh... they might be doing the right things in international politics... maybe... but they allow horrendous injustices to be perpetrated by their own systems of society (the government) to their own lowly citizens and from citizens to each other, which in-turn becomes the public opinion and works its way back up the structure and threatens to overtake any fairness that is happening in international interactions... if that fairness hasn't already been usurped.

Your "bullet points" ( "1)" & "2)" ) are noble, but they aren't quite good enough.
Your cards don't actually matter when someone with millions or billions of followers on social media can just lie about you and send a mob after you - a mob that is a subset of the followers who won't question those lies. For the most part, the government considers these people irrelevant - but to it (the "social mob") you are all irrelevant; victim or perpetrator, you stand in their way. :pmfoe:

As the world slides closer and closer to the dystopia that is the episode "Majority Rule" from The Orville, it becomes increasingly more irrelevant which cards you show or even hold, and it becomes more important to convince others that you have "the right cards" to be allowed to stay in the game.
When the angry mob shows up at someone's house, "common well-being" does not actually stop at "personal well-being" because no matter how much you assert your own boundaries or your own rights, they will not respect them. ...and there will be no one around to stop them from violating your boundaries and rights.

It does not matter how generous or selfish you have been, once a lie gets successfully propagated and disseminated, which turns... not even the majority but rather just ...enough others... against you. Enough others who can get away with whatever they choose to do.

We live in a society that does not currently prioritize truth and fairness above all, and until we do, your boundaries for personal well-being are irrelevant due to those boundaries being like weak assertions made by a child standing up against a full-grown robber. It is far more useful for that child to know how to run away and hide (and maybe lay traps and fool the robbers into thinking that there actually are other adults in the house) than to say, "you're not allowed in!"
:Poppo: :dice1: :dice6: :ojseagull:

The only way to disappear is to appear; hiding our true identities in seemingly ordinary lives. :delete_diagonal: ...or in some cases, seemingly extraordinary lives, if you need to fool others into thinking that you're more powerful than they are so that they back off.
Again, I hate this option, and I'm not even very good at it due to certain conditions that will stand out no matter how hard I try to hide them.

I still think the world's swaying between two dystopian futures: the Orwellian and the Huxley one. They are mutually exclusive, so it'll end up with one. So far, I think the Huxley one seems more likely to me, as semi-content people are the easiest to govern/rule over, rather than those in perpetual fear and perpetually oppressed. Basically, keeping people over-saturated with stimuli and information while painting the intellectuals and free thinkers as "madmen" and locking them up in gilded cages far away from society. Oppression would eventually result in open revolt, history showed us that time after time. So I'm afraid that what comes next is a careful brainwashing followed by a make-believe utopia which the masses don't see a reason to defy. Why would a person who is well fed, entertained and kept busy with daily work need to revolt?

[Dracoco OwO]

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

tbf, people don't usually bring up the fact that gay animals exist in nature as a point in itself, but more so as a rebuttal to the idea that being gay is somehow "unnatural"
and similar things apply to gender nonconformity

with that out of the way... why the ♥♥♥♥ do you lump queerness with "defects"

Literally most Giraffe males are gay because the females are picky, if that doesn't reflect the reality some humans may be facing then idk. They are just too horny i guess but so are many monkeys and other animals, they just are just very gay.

[The nameless Gamer]

Bonobo ape females are largely bisexual and mate with males only for the sake of procreation.

[Dracoco OwO]

Messaggio originale di The nameless Commander:

Bonobo ape females are largely bisexual and mate with males only for the sake of procreation.

There is one of these lizards in Mexico that can only be females and reproduce by parthenogenesis but they still have sex with other females because it stimulate their egg production, like there's thousands of ways to demonstrate that in Nature being gay is like a normal occurence however weird it may be.

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Dracoco OwO:

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

tbf, people don't usually bring up the fact that gay animals exist in nature as a point in itself, but more so as a rebuttal to the idea that being gay is somehow "unnatural"
and similar things apply to gender nonconformity

with that out of the way... why the ♥♥♥♥ do you lump queerness with "defects"

Literally most Giraffe males are gay because the females are picky, if that doesn't reflect the reality some humans may be facing then idk. They are just too horny i guess but so are many monkeys and other animals, they just are just very gay.

i don't think you're giving enough credit to humans if you're implying what you're implying

[Dracoco OwO]

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

Messaggio originale di Dracoco OwO:

Literally most Giraffe males are gay because the females are picky, if that doesn't reflect the reality some humans may be facing then idk. They are just too horny i guess but so are many monkeys and other animals, they just are just very gay.

i don't think you're giving enough credit to humans if you're implying what you're implying

I said it kinda as a joke but i can see it be a reality really loosely, i wouldn't personally do this, cause i actually want kids and don't really care about the sexual aspects of things. But not everyone has the same priorities and no i don't give credit to humans in general for anything really.

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Dracoco OwO:

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

i don't think you're giving enough credit to humans if you're implying what you're implying

I said it kinda as a joke but i can see it be a reality really loosely, i wouldn't personally do this, cause i actually want kids and don't really care about the sexual aspects of things. But not everyone has the same priorities and no i don't give credit to humans in general for anything really.

fair

guess anything can happen with seven, eight billion people