Why follow Abrahamic faiths?

[apathy]

Are Western people in denial about how absolutely insane they are?

Jesus hated us. He called us gentiles, a bunch of dogs, unfit for anything but the crumbs that fall off the master's table. He didn't come to bring peace, but a sword from his Abba. He wants us all in Hell.

Muhammad hated us. He called us infidels, idolaters, and waged his jihad, his holy war against us. He didn't come for peace, but to force everyone to submit to the will of his Allah. He wants us all in Hell.

Why worship and follow, someone who hates you?
For the West, the choice is an easy one to make: Reject Abraham. Return to Pagan.

[aka]

Jesus Christ is the lord and saviour, he is all authority and requires no approval.

You people might not know it, but that's to be expected .. you are not here in fairness, you are here in condemnation, you stand now in this position moments before your well deserved eternal suffering begins.

Hope this helps save you, but I'm pretty sure it won't.

You're welcome

[< Masterless >]

Postat inițial de Mangelie:

What? the concept of a single God and creator is so basic and fundamental regardless... no religion can claim it or take credit for this very basic interpretation of God... I dont think Sikhism is abrahamic or owes anything to abrahamic religions just cause it shares the monotheism part in common... Just because the monotheistic religions that became influential enough to be documented are mostly Abrahamic doesnt mean its the only one.

We are talking about God's introduction into Europe (the so-called "Western world"), not the Sikhs, as is the subject of the matter. Assuming that you are European, it is the very reason why you have come to believe in a 'God' in the first place, and that is the point of what has been historically established.

I don't care much for your personal belief in Christian mysticism and the "what if's" appeal to ignorance (I am not meaning to be rowdy in saying this); what is most important here is that we have established where these original beliefs have come from when it comes to the monolithic concept of the Abrahamic God (Yahweh) within Europe.

Postat inițial de aka:

You people might not know it, but that's to be expected .. you are not here in fairness, you are here in condemnation

Some of the conversations to be had here can be quite reasonable. If not for your unwillingness to read what has been discussed here and jump to conclusions, you would've viewed it otherwise. Not every criticism is an attack.

[Hobbit XIII]

Postat inițial de 󠀡󠀡:

Postat inițial de Mangelie:

What? the concept of a single God and creator is so basic and fundamental regardless... no religion can claim it or take credit for this very basic interpretation of God... I dont think Sikhism is abrahamic or owes anything to abrahamic religions just cause it shares the monotheism part in common... Just because the monotheistic religions that became influential enough to be documented are mostly Abrahamic doesnt mean its the only one.

We are talking about God's introduction into Europe (the "Western world"), not the Sikhs, as is the subject of the matter.

I don't care much for your personal belief in Christian mysticism and the "what if's" appeal to ignorance (I am not meaning to be rowdy in saying this); what is most important here is that we have established where these original beliefs have come from when it comes to the European monolithic concept of the Abrahamic God (Yahweh).

Assuming that you are European, it is the very reason why you believe in God in the first place, and that is the point of what has been historically established.

Could you list all the religions in Europe before Christianity and say where an Angel or Demon ends and God begins as with spirits, fairies, other creatures and the 'One' in charge or 'group of deities' in charge?

And not just some lazy wiki page link, I'd like to see the reasoning of yours for each.

[Merci]

Postat inițial de 󠀡󠀡:

We are talking about God's introduction into Europe (the "Western world"), not the Sikhs, as is the subject of the matter.

I don't care much for your personal belief in Christian mysticism and the "what if's" appeal to ignorance (I am not meaning to be rowdy in saying this); what is most important here is that we have established where these original beliefs have come from when it comes to the European monolithic concept of the Abrahamic God (Yahweh).

Assuming that you are European, it is the very reason why you believe in God in the first place, and that is the point of what has been historically established.

Still dont know what your point is really, just because monotheism was totally normalized due to abrahamic religions being the most prosperous doesnt mean you can unconditionally say it affected my interpretation of god (it hasn't, I have never believed in religion, just a mysterious creator)

[gza]

If Jesus hated us, why did he die for our sins??? Checkmate atheist.

[< Masterless >]

Postat inițial de Hobbit XIII:

Could you list all the religions in Europe before Christianity and say where an Angel or Demon ends and God begins as with spirits, fairies, other creatures and the 'One' in charge or 'group of deities' in charge?

Europe was Pagan; that is how it was before Abrahamism. No "what if's," and no further appeal to a grand mystical sense to ignorance of history. Also, your idea of "demons and angels" are ironically borrowed concepts from your Abrahamic interpretation of the world, just like the singular God (Yahweh). Such notions further proves my point of its embedded roots in today's influences.

Now if you are authentically interested in pre-Christian mythology, then I would strongly encourage that you act on your 'own initiative' to do 'your own' research, for I will not make the time to personally tutor and go off-topic on the subject to personally satisfy your request for an analysis per the individual Paganic deities of Europe.

If you want a head start, I would recommend looking into the cultural documentation of the European tribes from the Romans (try the book 'Tacitus Germania') and the 'Poetic Edda' (translated by Henry Adams Bellows, 1936) of the folklore and a better understanding of the mythology. I have highlighted some resources in this post for you to follow up on; I hope you enjoy reading them and taking 'your own' initiative to learn more about it.

Postat inițial de Mangelie:

you can't unconditionally say it affected my interpretation of god (it hasn't, I have never believed in religion, just a mysterious creator)

The concept is what birthed the belief; you cannot deny its influences on this society, regardless of your personal interpretations of monolithic Abrahamism. You were born in this society, and you are very much still a product of it. As am I.

[Kobs]

OP, uou had your answer in your initial question

Why worship and follow, someone.... It should've been only that part loll

[aqua star]

One of the many reasons I became deist.

[Hobbit XIII]

Postat inițial de 󠀡󠀡:

Postat inițial de Hobbit XIII:

Could you list all the religions in Europe before Christianity and say where an Angel or Demon ends and God begins as with spirits, fairies, other creatures and the 'One' in charge or 'group of deities' in charge?

Europe was Pagan; that is how it was before Abrahamism. No "what if's," and no further appeal to a grand mystical sense to ignorance of history. Also, your idea of "demons and angels" are ironically borrowed concepts from your Abrahamic interpretation of the world, just like the singular God (Yahweh). Such notions further proves my point of its embedded roots in today's influences.

Now if you are authentically interested in pre-Christian mythology, then I would strongly encourage that you act on your 'own initiative' to do 'your own' research, for I will not make the time to personally tutor and go off-topic on the subject to personally satisfy your request for an analysis per the individual Paganic deities of Europe.

If you want a head start, I would recommend looking into the cultural documentation of the European tribes from the Romans (try the book 'Tacitus Germania') and the 'Poetic Edda' (translated by Henry Adams Bellows, 1936) of the folklore and a better understanding of the mythology. I have highlighted some resources in this post for you to follow up on; I hope you enjoy reading them and taking 'your own' initiative to learn more about it.

Postat inițial de Mangelie:

you can't unconditionally say it affected my interpretation of god (it hasn't, I have never believed in religion, just a mysterious creator)

The concept is what birthed the belief; you cannot deny its influences on this society, regardless of your personal interpretations of monolithic Abrahamism. You were born in this society, and you are very much still a product of it. As am I.

Ok straight away im not reading further you are assuming who I am of 'your idea of' every time on these forums someone goes like that it's always them just dictating what everybody should be or should think and then it gets more personal and it becomes an irritating by product of what could be an interesting conversation.

Maybe you explain this or maybe you don't but Pagan just means not Christian.

[sleeps]

i feel like some people failed theology hard which is ironic because i myself failed islamic teaching

[Dracoco OwO]

Postat inițial de mori:

i feel like some people failed theology hard which is ironic because i myself failed islamic teaching

You really couldn't fail Christian class at my school because we were talking nothing about Christianity.

[The nameless Gamer]

I don't get any kind of faith in the 21st century with information and knowledge as accessible as never before.

[Sidakte]

Postat inițial de Hobbit XIII:

Anubis never got this much Attention.

well, he is one of the most frequently depicted and mentioned gods of the said pantheon.
however with that being said, no relevant myth involved him.
but other than the Weighing of the Heart he was also an embalmer and later on became the lord of the Underworld. but Egyptians as a whole had a fascination with death and afterlife.

[Not Big Surprise]

Postat inițial de 󠀡󠀡:

Postat inițial de itSINyou:

My GOD is NOT your GOD.

Strongly deny it all you want; the Abrahamic levant God known as 'Yahweh' (YHWH) is what introduced the very monolithic concept into Europe of what you now know and worship as the anglicised "God".

yahweh, like that caanite god

[Not Big Surprise]

Postat inițial de aka:

Jesus Christ is the lord and saviour, he is all authority and requires no approval.

You people might not know it, but that's to be expected .. you are not here in fairness, you are here in condemnation, you stand now in this position moments before your well deserved eternal suffering begins.

Hope this helps save you, but I'm pretty sure it won't.

You're welcome :KneelingBow:

ultimate authority requires ultimate scrutiny