Why does the "woke" culture bother so many people?

[Franklin]

What's wrong with the "woke" culture?

[Eskimofo]

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Origineel geplaatst door Eskimofo:

How is parading your values and forcing others who do not have the same values as you to acknowledge that you have opposing views progressing society again? It seems like we are going backwards...

What do you mean?

"forcing others to acknowledge that you have opposing views" ?

That applies to everyone who expresses their opinions. The acknowledgement is inevitable.

Imagine you have your beliefs [which I know you do]. Suddenly, you have a smaller group come to your community and tell you that although their beliefs are the exact opposite of yours, you need to accept it and modify your behavior because of their ideologies. How likely are you to acknowledge and respect this?

[Kiote]

anyway...another very sad flower duet.....

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Origineel geplaatst door Not Big Surprise:

Origineel geplaatst door lankaras:

Umm you do realize you're not talking about anything here? Or maybe you are but I don't know what it is. That's why I said "in most cases", it depends.

i'm trying to explain the idea of "not being allowed to be oneself", since you don't seem to understand figure of speech

I get that. What I mean is that you are speaking in general terms, we are not discussing any specific case. Without that, it isn't very meaningful to say "it is" or "it is not".

Before, I was thinking of Pride for example. When people say "I don't care that you're gay, just don't wave it in my face", they will respond indignantly by saying that they are rejected for who they are. Which is false, it is about behaviour / expression.

[Kiote]

please Steam block me if I do not have right to be acknowledged as 1st and only O'MEN and if I am violating your rules by calling maself O'MEN. Please, reduce my brainstorm and pain for every body

[Dom]

Origineel geplaatst door Eskimofo:

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

What do you mean?

"forcing others to acknowledge that you have opposing views" ?

That applies to everyone who expresses their opinions. The acknowledgement is inevitable.

Imagine you have your beliefs [which I know you do]. Suddenly, you have a smaller group come to your community and tell you that although their beliefs are the exact opposite of yours, you need to accept it and modify your behavior because of their ideologies. How likely are you to acknowledge and respect this?

That's how politics work by a large part. For example, segregation used to be a norm, nowadays it is illegal and punishable offense. There is an expectation to a certain extent that people modify their behavior on the basis of what the majority which votes considers acceptable and what they do not. Many "anti-woke" people think that women shouldn't have access to abortion because it isn't acceptable to those people. Or that people should only be able to marry those they consider acceptable, etc.

So to me the whole complaining about having to modify behavior seems like a huge double standard to begin with because that's how all sides do politics.

But on a more broader, general level, I'm willing to accept that there are opinions that differ from mine. I acknowledge it and I'm willing to respect that, as long as the discussion remains in good faith.

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Origineel geplaatst door Kiote:

please Steam block me if I do not have right to be acknowledged as 1st and only O'MEN and if I am violating your rules by calling myself O'MEN. Please, reduce my brainstorm and pain for every body

What are you even doing here? Go talk to a mirror or something, or ChatGPT, whatever

[Kiote]

Origineel geplaatst door lankaras:

Origineel geplaatst door Kiote:

please Steam block me if I do not have right to be acknowledged as 1st and only O'MEN and if I am violating your rules by calling myself O'MEN. Please, reduce my brainstorm and pain for every body

What are you even doing here? Go talk to a mirror or something, or ChatGPT, whatever

so this is just a picture of a smart man and you are opposite?

[Lupa]

Origineel geplaatst door Lupa:

hi, y'all still on this "woke" sonic op thread?

[Lupa]

Origineel geplaatst door lankaras:

Origineel geplaatst door Kiote:

please Steam block me if I do not have right to be acknowledged as 1st and only O'MEN and if I am violating your rules by calling myself O'MEN. Please, reduce my brainstorm and pain for every body

What are you even doing here? Go talk to a mirror or something, or ChatGPT, whatever

Be nicies to them!

[Kiote]

typical....Iankaras very so-so answer....

[Axe]

Origineel geplaatst door Franklin:

What's wrong with the "woke" culture?

It demeans integrity, morals and weakens society. It's like a religion and I hate religion for its hypocrisy and pious fakery.

[Kiote]

Origineel geplaatst door Lupa:

Origineel geplaatst door lankaras:

What are you even doing here? Go talk to a mirror or something, or ChatGPT, whatever

Be nicies to them!

hi Lupa how are We?
Are We with We new friends...who are "them"?

[Eskimofo]

Origineel geplaatst door Dom:

Origineel geplaatst door Eskimofo:

Imagine you have your beliefs [which I know you do]. Suddenly, you have a smaller group come to your community and tell you that although their beliefs are the exact opposite of yours, you need to accept it and modify your behavior because of their ideologies. How likely are you to acknowledge and respect this?

That's how politics work by a large part. For example, segregation used to be a norm, nowadays it is illegal and punishable offense. There is an expectation to a certain extent that people modify their behavior on the basis of what is acceptable and what isn't. Many "anti-woke" people think that women shouldn't have access to abortion because it isn't acceptable to them. Or that people should only be able to marry those they consider acceptable to them.

So to me the whole complaining about having to modify behavior seems like a huge double standard to begin with because that's how all sides do politics.

But on a more broader, general level, I'm willing to accept that there are opinions that differ from mine.

That's actually a good point. But I would counter that by saying in politics, although everybody might not get exactly what they want, there is something there for everyone to some degree. And that is kind of the point of an election, yeah? The majority of people decide what direction the nation should go. But here, we have a small group that was not voted into power, yet, they want everyone to acknowledge their ideology and be represented REGARDLESS that those they want to acknowledge them are having their values stepped on. So, where do we stop? Can we please every little culture when they arrive on our doorstep?

I would absolutely LOVE to see a smaller culture show up on the "woke" group's doorstep in their community and tell them that they need to acknowledge that there are only 2 genders, and they need to accept that. That should go over real well.

I accept everyone and think everyone should live the life they want. But I have a problem if you go into a majority community as a minority to tell everyone to accept the opposite values they have just for your sake.

[Lupa]

Origineel geplaatst door Kiote:

Origineel geplaatst door Lupa:

Be nicies to them!

hi Lupa how are We?
Are We have new friends...who are "them"?

We are very good! About to make more coffee to go with cherry turnovers. No new friends though

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Origineel geplaatst door Lupa:

Origineel geplaatst door lankaras:

What are you even doing here? Go talk to a mirror or something, or ChatGPT, whatever

Be nicies to them!

Totally not surprised that they are a friend of yours. Although somehow they manage to make even less sense.