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Why does the "woke" culture bother so many people?
What's wrong with the "woke" culture?
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👾 2024年1月9日 16時42分 
GloriousZote の投稿を引用:
lankaras の投稿を引用:

Well, it's nice that they do it all so openly at least. I've already said before that this is why BG3 won GOTY as well.
I don't know, aside from the woke crap, and personally I think a bad story, I do think BG3 is decent, even if I personally won't ever play it again.
It's not like there's been a lot of good games in 2023.

Though personally I think TOTK should have won.

You said it, "decent". A far cry from what the fanboys are saying about it. AC6 could also have won for example. But I already saw this coming because it has been happening for a while. If a transgender is in a miss contest, you just know they are going to win. The women are making a fool of themselves by even participating, they should step down to save their dignity.
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Pirate☠️Pocah の投稿を引用:
Also, you really need to just look up the meaning of the words. Any dictionary will tell you that there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is a biological fact, but gender is how you feel and act and is not necessarily linked to biology.

Except unlike what everyone likes to believes both are linked if not the same rather than two separate entities. This distinction been made over baseless statements and failed experiments supported by sociologists and activists rather than actual scientists who instead have to play the doormat to not be labeled as <X>-phobic, that's just politics and ideology.

Feeling like X doesn't mean you're X, that's also why there is a huge contradiction where trans need to alter their body on a biological level to match "the way they feel" while claiming that sex and gender are two separate and unrelated entities.

People can do all the mental gymnastics to deny it but that will be nothing more than mental backflips and activism.

Sex will produce specifics hormones that will rig your brain and body in specifics ways, that why you can observe specific behaviors and caracteristics between males or females in any species.
Then you can stuff yourself with hormones, alter your body and fry your brain if you feel like it, but on a biological scale each cell of your body will do its best to go back to default settings.

Gender disphoria and such are just anomalies like many others, but certainly not the norm.
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Chunk Norris ☯ の投稿を引用:
Except while there might be a definition between the two, the two words are used interchangeably and people gender are being used to circumvent biological systems in place.
Words in English are used interchangeably if they are able to be replaced without changing the meaning. Gender and sex have different meanings as they have different definitions, therefore, they cannot be used interchangeably (correctly, at least).

Lots of people use words interchangeably that are not interchangeable, however this does not imply that the words have the same meaning just because people think they have the same meaning. That would be a causal relationship in the reverse order, i.e. effect leading to cause.
But they are....consider female sports were they created to separate biological men and biological women to give women a chance in their sport and a level of safety in the sports or was the separation created so that people who like to wear dresses and identify as women can have their own category?

Now consider trans-women in female sports. Locker rooms. Bathrooms. Prisons.
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GloriousZote の投稿を引用:
I don't know, aside from the woke crap, and personally I think a bad story, I do think BG3 is decent, even if I personally won't ever play it again.
It's not like there's been a lot of good games in 2023.

Though personally I think TOTK should have won.

You said it, "decent". A far cry from what the fanboys are saying about it. AC6 could also have won for example. But I already saw this coming because it has been happening for a while. If a transgender is in a miss contest, you just know they are going to win. The women are making a fool of themselves by even participating, they should step down to save their dignity.
Gotta agree, people shouting this is a masterpiece... HA!
It looks great, sure, but the story is subpar, the lack of a specific choice at end act 2 doesn't make sense since the same ♥♥♥♥ happens at the end of act 3 without INSTANT consequence, and the game is straight-up unfinished with the lack of the planned act 4 which concluded at least Karlach's story, as well as having plenty of other content cut despite it being promised as late as two weeks before launch.
Parents sue Michigan school district for hiding daughter’s gender transition[www.washingtontimes.com] after a document that was not changed back to the girls real name and had the "school/social" masculine name still on it.

Until school boards, schools and teachers start housing, clothing, feeding, taking care of medical needs and dealing with discipline issues should they engender to usurp a parents rights to know what is going on with their children.

This is the epitome of wokeness.
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Parents sue Michigan school district for hiding daughter’s gender transition[www.washingtontimes.com] after a document that was not changed back to the girls real name and had the "school/social" masculine name still on it.

Until school boards, schools and teachers start housing, clothing, feeding, taking care of medical needs and dealing with discipline issues should they engender to usurp a parents rights to know what is going on with their children.

This is the epitome of wokeness.
That's Communism for you, they're not your children, they're OUR* children!

*:The state.
Franklin の投稿を引用:
What's wrong with the "woke" culture?
it's nothing wrong like any ideology

it's once people start implementing it into society and dictating that it becomes a problem
Titus 2024年1月9日 18時09分 
GloriousZote の投稿を引用:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUDLHXe5R_4

But no, keep telling yourselves that the woke isn't forcing anything.
The person in this video said the reason for the rules was because "These poor people have no rights or privileges whatsoever. Which is why we are creating special rules that give them special advantages over everybody else."

I think this is incorrect, because the academy never claimed that they have no rights or privileges. The academy's claim is: "The [inclusion standards] are designed to encourage equitable representation on and off screen to better reflect the diverse global population." https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards

This youtuber is using strawmen to attack the academy's inclusion standards. Instead of forming the argument based on the academy's claims, he forms an argument based on a hypothetical character that believes "these poor people have no rights or privileges whatsoever."

At 5:23, he even stumbles upon the reasoning for why the academy made this decision. As listed in the claim above, the academy hopes "to better reflect the diverse global population." Here the youtuber states the following: "Interestingly enough, this would make this underrepresented group the overwhelmingly majority of earth's population, mind you." So here he is pointing out that the underrepresented groups are the majority of earth's population, which fits in line with the academy's goal to reflect the diverse population of humans.

If we make the assumption that the US is the world's leader in the production of media, such that an American movie can be viewed in countries around the world, then why shouldn't the cast and production represent these diverse viewers?

At 6:56 he says "I am starting to see the point they are making about white supremacy. I mean, if such a clear minority manages to so thoroughly oppress such an overwhelming majority, there's something impressive about it." This statement betrays the youtuber's claim that they want equality (as they echoed the words of Martin Luther King Jr. at the start of the video). And this isn't because whites dominate the world, it is because the US dominates the world, at least in terms of media production as assumed in my previous paragraph.

He also leaves off the fact that the underrepresented group includes people with physical disabilities. Or that this entire thing only applies to Best Picture, not the entire academy. This is only 1 out of 23 of the current awards given by the academy.

According to Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/best-picture-oscar-winners-fail-new-on-screen-rules-representation-2020-9), only 25 of the last 60 winners would fail to meet these requirements. Out of the last 10 years (2013-2022), only 2 (20%) would fail to meet these requirements. Out of the last 20 years (2003-2022), only 5 (25%) would fail to meet these requirements. The new standards would have a noticeable effect, but not a drastic one as portrayed in the video.
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Titus の投稿を引用:
strawmen

That's your word of the moment isn't it? You just loooove saying it, makes you look smart (but not really).
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GloriousZote の投稿を引用:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUDLHXe5R_4

But no, keep telling yourselves that the woke isn't forcing anything.
The person in this video said the reason for the rules was because "These poor people have no rights or privileges whatsoever. Which is why we are creating special rules that give them special advantages over everybody else."

I think this is incorrect, because the academy never claimed that they have no rights or privileges. The academy's claim is: "The [inclusion standards] are designed to encourage equitable representation on and off screen to better reflect the diverse global population." https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards

This youtuber is using strawmen to attack the academy's inclusion standards. Instead of forming the argument based on the academy's claims, he forms an argument based on a hypothetical character that believes "these poor people have no rights or privileges whatsoever."

At 5:23, he even stumbles upon the reasoning for why the academy made this decision. As listed in the claim above, the academy hopes "to better reflect the diverse global population." Here the youtuber states the following: "Interestingly enough, this would make this underrepresented group the overwhelmingly majority of earth's population, mind you." So here he is pointing out that the underrepresented groups are the majority of earth's population, which fits in line with the academy's goal to reflect the diverse population of humans.

If we make the assumption that the US is the world's leader in the production of media, such that an American movie can be viewed in countries around the world, then why shouldn't the cast and production represent these diverse viewers?

At 6:56 he says "I am starting to see the point they are making about white supremacy. I mean, if such a clear minority manages to so thoroughly oppress such an overwhelming majority, there's something impressive about it." This statement betrays the youtuber's claim that they want equality (as they echoed the words of Martin Luther King Jr. at the start of the video). And this isn't because whites dominate the world, it is because the US dominates the world, at least in terms of media production as assumed in my previous paragraph.

He also leaves off the fact that the underrepresented group includes people with physical disabilities. Or that this entire thing only applies to Best Picture, not the entire academy. This is only 1 out of 23 of the current awards given by the academy.

According to Insider (https://www.businessinsider.com/best-picture-oscar-winners-fail-new-on-screen-rules-representation-2020-9), only 25 of the last 60 winners would fail to meet these requirements. Out of the last 10 years (2013-2022), only 2 (20%) would fail to meet these requirements. Out of the last 20 years (2003-2022), only 5 (25%) would fail to meet these requirements. The new standards would have a noticeable effect, but not a drastic one as portrayed in the video.
Always with the paragraphs just to mislead, none of what you said here matters, what matters is that including minorities as a lead role, whether actor or character, will be a requirement...
Titus 2024年1月9日 18時25分 
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Words in English are used interchangeably if they are able to be replaced without changing the meaning. Gender and sex have different meanings as they have different definitions, therefore, they cannot be used interchangeably (correctly, at least).

Lots of people use words interchangeably that are not interchangeable, however this does not imply that the words have the same meaning just because people think they have the same meaning. That would be a causal relationship in the reverse order, i.e. effect leading to cause.
But they are....consider female sports were they created to separate biological men and biological women to give women a chance in their sport and a level of safety in the sports or was the separation created so that people who like to wear dresses and identify as women can have their own category?

Now consider trans-women in female sports. Locker rooms. Bathrooms. Prisons.
I only say that gender and sex have different meanings, not that they used to have different meanings. Women have been playing sports since ancient Egypt (women depicted on temple walls playing ball games and exercising) and ancient Greece (Heraean games). I can agree that at this time, there was no distinction between the English words gender and sex or their corresponding words in the languages of ancient Egypt and ancient Greece.

Therefore I have made no claim about the difference between gender and sex when it comes to sports. In fact I don't have an opinion on transwomen in sports, because sports have never been fair. Basketball and volleyball players have to be tall. Michael Phelps has abnormally long arms and double-jointedness, putting him in a class above his male competitors. If you discriminate by sex, i.e. a transgender woman cannot compete in women sports, would you also discriminate by keeping Michael Phelps out of a swimming competition where his competitors did not have longer arms or double-jointedness?

I don't like the bathrooms issue because sexual assault can happen anywhere. Or if a woman is sexually attracted to women, she can still use the women's restroom, despite having the same attraction a man pretending to be a transwoman would have.

Someone else already mentioned how men rape other men frequently in prisons. I looked into it and found that one survey conducted in Nebraska in 1996 found that 22% of male inmates were pressured or forced to have sexual contact against their will while incarcerated: https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2001/prison/report7.html#_1_48
So rape is a significant issues in prisons regardless of the sex or gender of the inmates allowed or grouped together in a prison.
Many reasons too many to list.
How the world has made people soft and weak or pathetic and complacent.
I own what I write and speak. None of it is for sale nor rent and the recipient can take it or leave it.
Nearing sixty years of age and growing up in a coal mining village in England knowing 'want' and hardships were my best friends.
Today I live in Tasmania.
We had the attitude of 'getting on with it' and taking sole responsibility for our lot.
We were hardy capable people and we managed with that once collective mindset.

Whilst to portray this here today it is without the complexities of why this irks me and others.
People have lost the ability to be critical or applaud based on the common agenda or direction of opinion and giving in to that pressure.
Woke is not to be misaligned with evolving culturally in expectations of equality of which I totally uphold.
It is the cornerstone of how we live our lives. Owning our opinions but capable of understanding a different perception and perspective.

Calling something what it is because that is what it is not un-woke.

Woke has already merged into multiple definitions depending on geographical and political debate.
What I consider 'pathetic' or weak or plainly wrong will always be of that label irrespective of the collective or uniformed political or cultural expectation to 'not'.

People that shout out they're hard done by or fiscally bereft.
With exceptions of the third world this is pathetic for me to read. They or at least most ( few exceptions do happen) have literally no concept of what true want and need are.

What was once our normal is today seemingly great hardship.

I refuse to acknowledge it in that context for it is media punditry and nonsense.

Times are indeed tough for all of us, but relative to growing up the times today are of luxury of the abject kind.
Stand up and 'get on with it'.

Please do understand I am not forwarding a fixed or dogmatic opinion to cure all ills, but a general example of what truly irks those that have indeed walked the walk in 'relative' hardships in so called first world conditions.

This is not to suggest hardships are not real and damaging for countless people.
Yet in this modern world what are today essentials were once luxuries.

I ask with sincerity my posit of having no choice but to wash my hair with coal tar soap when little.

So did everyone else. Conditioners and indeed shampoos came in little sachets back then and relative to circumstance were expensive.
I shall not further personal hygiene or period care but to say pads were then another luxury. Women reading may know what I am writing.

The list of contemporary hardships were once our normal. In fact our normal and devoid of exclaiming with embroidered embellishment were far worse!

To end , this is not to suggest that in 2023 everyone ought revert to the past for that is not my message.
It is to measure genuinely how quite bloody fortunate most today are.

And so 'wokism' was borne relatively recently out of Neo faux bewilderment of so called equality.
Equality is of course paramount in our human expedition of life. Yet the reality is equality has and will never be a truth.


Example being transgender people ( of which I have a friend that is under that umbrella term).

They look walk move live and talk that has any woman would. She's a woman. She's not a 'trans-woman' and yet 'some' people exclaim they are trans women or men. Adding to this complexity are all kinds of labels both self induced and given by colloquial wording.

In other words no one person is under any terminology nor do they all share the same terms.
She is a woman.
No prefixes to satisfy the ignorant or pedantic are needed for she lives her life for herself and not others.

This list is scratching the surface and is nigh impossible to frame even in mass pages of it.

Just be who and what you are and demand the respect you deserve and be unbothered about any opinion to the contrary.
Labels they come and go, as will so called woke. Just give it several more decades in life's oven.
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R-S!N 2024年1月9日 18時54分 
They say its corrupt (morally wrong / sinful / self centered, etc..).. it tends to provoke hatred/violence.. it doesn't properly benefit humankind.. and its abnormal, thus disrupts the natural balance of a decent(high-moral & orderly) civilization.

IF it were a good thing it certainly wouldn't cause such big problems and there wouldn't be so many people opposing it. Minority (aka "abnormality") doesn't rule.

Seems that woke is just another "sign of the times".

Nature always balances out what gets out of control.
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Not Big Surprise の投稿を引用:
oh, my bad

tbf, it has become less socially accepted to be overtly homophobic, and people tend to be at least a bit more aware of covert homophobia
transphobia is not quite at that stage— it's the same process, and the "reasonings" are practically the same, but they're offset in time
...and besides, you do know that the rates for cis queer people are still much higher than the average?


of course, and obviously you know better than all trans people, and all the people who have been actively studying trans people and dysphoria for decades /s


i have been pushed back in the closet by my environment
i have been told not to come out to the rest of my family, for instance, "for my own good, and the good of my grandparents"
i have been practically conditioned, even if unintentionally i presume, to carry a false identity, to the point where coming out irl often requires more willpower than i have
i've lived a lie for nineteen years— nineteen years of things i have to unlearn

these are a few things i can think of, off the top of my head
so don't go "erm akshually", you know full well what i mean


how does it affect cis people at large, actually?
Ah yes, your "research", by people like John Money...
Truly fascinating results.
90% sure i already talked about that piece of ♥♥♥♥ in this thread
tldr he actively thought you could mold someone's gender identity and insisted that should be done with intersex kids

money is simply not even close to what we know today, and may his grave serve as a gender neutral public urinal

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i have been pushed back in the closet by my environment
i have been told not to come out to the rest of my family, for instance, "for my own good, and the good of my grandparents"
i have been practically conditioned, even if unintentionally i presume, to carry a false identity, to the point where coming out irl often requires more willpower than i have
i've lived a lie for nineteen years— nineteen years of things i have to unlearn

these are a few things i can think of, off the top of my head
so don't go "erm akshually", you know full well what i mean

But you don't understand what I mean. Either these things impose on your identity, which means it is malleable and defined by others, or it is not, which means your identity has been the same all the time and you just felt restricted in expressing it. So which one is it?
for the record identity does evolve over time

that being said, yes, "being forced to be someone else" was figure of speech
it's not a matter of being literally brainwashed into thinking i'm someone else, but more so a matter of not being able to openly be myself, and a matter of actively being pushed to be something else
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Not Big Surprise の投稿を引用:
that being said, yes, "being forced to be someone else" was figure of speech
it's not a matter of being literally brainwashed into thinking i'm someone else, but more so a matter of not being able to openly be myself, and a matter of actively being pushed to be something else

Yes. So it is about expression. It matters because people often seem to confuse those. They will say they are rejected for "being who they are", which is overly dramatic and simply wrong in most cases. Nobody can just express their sexuality everywhere, and being gay does not suddenly give you that privilege.
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