Ebay…

[kilésengati]

Why do people place bids days before an auction ends. Like, wth. That bid ain't gonna win anyway and is only hyping up the auction, leading to more competitors.

Do you place yours bids early in an auction?

[kilésengati]

ZZZZZ님이 먼저 게시:

kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, but why then give it away in your first bid instead of waiting until the end.

some ppl dont want to stalk something for 7days

Don't need to. Just mark the end of the auction down and come back later.

De Hollandse Ezel님이 먼저 게시:

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kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

Is that so. Here in Germany, Ebay offers practically all common payment methods through various payment processors (mainly PayPal and Klarna, but good grief, I hate Klarna)
The rest is up to the seller. Obviously, since Ebay used to own Paypal, lots of buyers and sellers still prefer that.

Unfortunately, for trading vintage computer gear and synthesizers, Kleinanzeigen (Germany's Marktplaats) has established itself as the main platform when it was still under Ebay ownership - which was fine at the time.
But after they got bought by this investor group it turned to ♥♥♥♥, like everything that gets bought by investors.
They are pushing their own payment processor now and try to fearmonger people into using it instead of the old tried-and-true methods. Plus, moderation is worse than it ever was. Lots of shady stuff that stays online despite reporting, but flags people for even mentioning Paypal or bankwire during a sales chat.
It makes buying and selling there more of a pita than it was before. I only use it if I absolutely have to.

So, for me, reverse situation.

In Netherlands we mostly use IDEAL one of the world safest online payment methods that sadly never is used other than in netherlands and belgium
(mostly due higher transactionfees to sellers..IDEAL charges per transaction between 0.5 and 10 eurocent to the seller the payer never pays anything.
credit cards charge the buyer 0.5% but the seller pays nothing. the fact that IDEAL is much safer is also more of interest to buyers tham sellers..

What makes it safer though? And what warrants these transaction fees?

[Vince ✟]

I looked on there yesterday. Technics SL1200s MK2, MK3, MK5, MK7, etc all expensive as hell and literally the same price they were 15 years ago. I really wish I could find a cheap set.

eBay is ok. I sold a lot of stuff in the past on there.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

ZZZZZ님이 먼저 게시:

some ppl dont want to stalk something for 7days

Don't need to. Just mark the end of the auction down and come back later.

De Hollandse Ezel님이 먼저 게시:

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In Netherlands we mostly use IDEAL one of the world safest online payment methods that sadly never is used other than in netherlands and belgium
(mostly due higher transactionfees to sellers..IDEAL charges per transaction between 0.5 and 10 eurocent to the seller the payer never pays anything.
credit cards charge the buyer 0.5% but the seller pays nothing. the fact that IDEAL is much safer is also more of interest to buyers tham sellers..

What makes it safer though? And what warrants these transaction fees?

there are much more layers of incryption amd suthenfication in between.
making it impossible to havk into the datastrwam.. which woth leak as a sieve paypall is really easy.

users neef also multiple layers to log in.. not just name and password.. but the device you use get logged if you use a new device all transactions are blocked.. you het a call fron your bank yes a real person on the phonenummber you registrated with your bank in person.. to confirm you do this..
like any trabsaction on a new decice or in abother nation gets blocked. ias vomplex sodtware monitors?all transactikns and blocks the syspiciously ones..
99.99999% of any fraudulent transactions gey blocked
where visa has obly a 99.8% block ratio and paypalks is 93%..

this all already staets by more layers to log in than kust type in namr and password but to get a qr code send to your phone you must scan with a fusical device your bank provided that will turn thid into a code that obly works for 15 seconds..

as well as bank account numbers with build in checks.. so that typing a number wrong will just lead to error.. and not a wrong booking.

and 0.5 eurocent per transaction (for over 1 million transactions a month to 10 cent (for under 10000 trabsactions a month)

is less than 0.5% of total amount credit cards charge.. the difference is who is charged.

we prefer charging the seller not the buyer for the transaction.

but IDEAL transactions are instant and checked.. you cannot pay without saldo.. so seller never has a bounced payment at all. He will have the money ibstant instead of the 3-5 days in hangs in the air with other payment systenms.

[Xero_Daxter]

Bidding is kinda stupid. They always wait for the last second to try to snipe but 9 times out of 10 it never works out because there is always that 2 party pooper who would overbid to the point where buying it outright would be cheaper.

[kilésengati]

"MD"님이 먼저 게시:

I looked on there yesterday. Technics SL1200s MK2, MK3, MK5, MK7, etc all expensive as hell and literally the same price they were 15 years ago. I really wish I could find a cheap set.

eBay is ok. I sold a lot of stuff in the past on there.

Yeah, unless it's a big retailer selling, audio equipment is often overpriced on there.

I mean, there's someone selling a completely trashed Polivoks for over 1k right now. With some luck you could get a serviced one on Kleinanzeigen for that.

[xDDD]

Sometimes nobody is interested and you get lucky
Or you can also set a "high bid" so somebody might come along and keep getting outbid by your automatic bidding and get dejected really fast.

[kilésengati]

De Hollandse Ezel님이 먼저 게시:

kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

Don't need to. Just mark the end of the auction down and come back later.




What makes it safer though? And what warrants these transaction fees?

there are much more layers of incryption amd suthenfication in between.
making it impossible to havk into the datastrwam.. which woth leak as a sieve paypall is really easy.

users neef also multiple layers to log in.. not just name and password.. but the device you use get logged if you use a new device all transactions are blocked.. you het a call fron your bank yes a real person on the phonenummber you registrated with your bank in person.. to confirm you do this..
like any trabsaction on a new decice or in abother nation gets blocked. ias vomplex sodtware monitors?all transactikns and blocks the syspiciously ones..
99.99999% of any fraudulent transactions gey blocked
where visa has obly a 99.8% block ratio and paypalks is 93%..

this all already staets by more layers to log in than kust type in namr and password but to get a qr code send to your phone you must scan with a fusical device your bank provided that will turn thid into a code that obly works for 15 seconds..

as well as bank account numbers with build in checks.. so that typing a number wrong will just lead to error.. and not a wrong booking.

Both my house bank and PayPal require MFA. After you got your identity confirmed once or every now-and-then, there's usually some kind of TAN or mTAN. Fast, simple, secure.
To connect your house bank account to your Paypal bank account (yes, in Europe PayPal is a proper bank), you need to confirm your identity as well.
And should something happen still, there's insurance.

Ideal doesn't seem special in that regard, just marketing to inflate transaction fees. These extra layers of phone calls seem more like a hindrance to legitimate users and even an additional attack vector actually.

[Basho]

Xero_Daxter님이 먼저 게시:

Bidding is kinda stupid. They always wait for the last second to try to snipe but 9 times out of 10 it never works out because there is always that 2 party pooper who would overbid to the point where buying it outright would be cheaper.

i heard about the "dutch auction system" (i think its called?) in the context of some fish market i saw in a documentary.
it went the opposite way, with items rolling in on a conveyor belt and a digital price tag that kept lowering as it went.
so under that system you have to gauge how low you want to risk going instead.
you can buy immediately but then you end up paying more than you would if you wait.
but wait too long and someone else might nab it.

i thought that was kinda interesting, and i assume the reason for its use is to expedite the bidding process to get it over with quickly since in that particular context it is more of a running process rather than a special occasion.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Basho님이 먼저 게시:

Xero_Daxter님이 먼저 게시:

Bidding is kinda stupid. They always wait for the last second to try to snipe but 9 times out of 10 it never works out because there is always that 2 party pooper who would overbid to the point where buying it outright would be cheaper.

i heard about the "dutch auction system" (i think its called?) in the context of some fish market i saw in a documentary.
it went the opposite way, with items rolling in on a conveyor belt and a digital price tag that kept lowering as it went.
so under that system you have to gauge how low you want to risk going instead.
you can buy immediately but then you end up paying more than you would if you wait.
but wait too long and someone else might nab it.

i thought that was kinda interesting, and i assume the reason for its use is to expedite the bidding process to get it over with quickly since in that particular context it is more of a running process rather than a special occasion.

it is still done just oblibe now.

I always liked the idea of an american auction.
if you bid 100 you pay 100 even if you loose.
so ALL that bid pay what they had bid but only winner gets item.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Azza ☠님이 먼저 게시:

It's called sniper bidding, with the concept that they won't be fighting against each other to drive up the price.

However, these day an auction detects sniper bids and auto-extends the closing time accordingly to allow that price drive fight anyways.

The only way it would logically work these days, is depending on who's still online around the closing time without auto-bidding enabled too. If the auction closes at an odd time of the day, such as when most people are asleep or at work, there might be a chance, otherwise it's just wasting more time.

it's why amazon and other delivery / shopping services are doing better

you get the price cheap for what it is.

[kilésengati]

:D님이 먼저 게시:

Sometimes nobody is interested and you get lucky
Or you can also set a "high bid" so somebody might come along and keep getting outbid by your automatic bidding and get dejected really fast.

In which case, you might have a change of mind and don't want to buy anymore. But bidding on a product (at least on German Ebay) is a binding purchase. Withdrawing (at least from a private sale) is totally on goodwill of the seller.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

"MD"님이 먼저 게시:

I looked on there yesterday. Technics SL1200s MK2, MK3, MK5, MK7, etc all expensive as hell and literally the same price they were 15 years ago. I really wish I could find a cheap set.

eBay is ok. I sold a lot of stuff in the past on there.

Yeah, unless it's a big retailer selling, audio equipment is often overpriced on there.

I mean, there's someone selling a completely trashed Polivoks for over 1k right now. With some luck you could get a serviced one on Kleinanzeigen for that.

I havr not seen even one 21 inch 1600x1200 crt on our markplaats in 5 years.. its all crappy 15 and 17 inch models..

let alone a 120hz trinitron 21.5" 1600x1200 as I used to own in 2000 and want too again.

[kilésengati]

De Hollandse Ezel님이 먼저 게시:

kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, unless it's a big retailer selling, audio equipment is often overpriced on there.

I mean, there's someone selling a completely trashed Polivoks for over 1k right now. With some luck you could get a serviced one on Kleinanzeigen for that.

I havr not seen even one 21 inch 1600x1200 crt on our markplaats in 5 years.. its all crappy 15 and 17 inch models..

let alone a 120hz trinitron 21.5" 1600x1200 as I used to own in 2000 and want too again.

An HD CRT is pretty niche though. Moreso in Europe, since people here jumped straight to plasma and LCD right away. The main issue I have with finding stuff on Kleinanzeigen ist that most stuff isn't labelled properly, only with generic titles and sloppy descriptions.

[BlackBloodGhost]

I have no idea. I got banned from eBay for using a VPN, so I don't care either.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

kilésengati님이 먼저 게시:

De Hollandse Ezel님이 먼저 게시:

I havr not seen even one 21 inch 1600x1200 crt on our markplaats in 5 years.. its all crappy 15 and 17 inch models..

let alone a 120hz trinitron 21.5" 1600x1200 as I used to own in 2000 and want too again.

An HD CRT is pretty niche though. Moreso in Europe, since people here jumped straight to plasma and LCD right away. The main issue I have with finding stuff on Kleinanzeigen ist that most stuff isn't labelled properly, only with generic titles and sloppy descriptions.

gamets I knew did not.
early crt were crap smaller and worse resolytion than last gen 19 and 21 imch crt.

it was not until pnelsgot 1440p and 25 inch and laarger people switched away from crt.
I nust wish I never had given my old crt away back than.. it was heavy as a fridge weighing over 60kg.. it wss big..
but I regret giving it away till this day.
ahole used un 2 years than tossed in in garbadge so getting it back no option.
ahole as indeef screens lile thar aee rare now and likely will coat thousands used.

it was a 4500 guilder (2200euro)creen that came out in 2001 I got
made in europe. with good parts.
I got it 2d hand in 2002 from a compagny that went bust.. my luck gor 500 euro
so yeah pretty niche

if I find one for sale and working they likely charge 5000 for it.

even on ebay one does not see those.
the 21inch crt on ebay are just 1080p not 1200x1600.
and are only 60hz models not 120hz

but I know they exvist as I used to own one.