Atheism requires just as much faith as Religion.

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chewbachman 29 DIC 2023 a las 11:11

So, you can definitively prove that the universe, which has a “manufacture date” so to speak, spontaneously occurred with a functional and logically functioning physics system despite the fact that if our universe’s parameters were slightly off our understanding of physics (and the building blocks required to create intelligence) would cease to function?

Wouldn’t the belief that the entirety of the universe burst forth out of nothing with stable enough physical interactions to produce life that could contemplate such things require a little bit of something called… faith?

I understand the agnostic position but Atheism requires as much faith as having a religion does.

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Bomb Shot 29 DIC 2023 a las 11:33

I don't have faith in one thing. I do anything I want.

You have faith in a religion or do research in the universe.

Truth and real life are the different things.

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mai72 29 DIC 2023 a las 11:34

Atheism isn't a religion and doesn't require faith.

Faith is the excuse people give when they don't know the actual answer.

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Grendalcat 29 DIC 2023 a las 11:35

I have a dyslexic relative who doesn't believe in Dog.

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mai72 29 DIC 2023 a las 12:13

And, in fact you can be an agnostic atheist.

For example, lets break it down.

Agnostic; Not sure what started everything. Or what happens after death.
Atheist: Reject every religion that has been presented to me, because they all fail to prove that they are true. Hence, the reason for faith.

Agnostic Atheist: I'm not sure what started the universe, and the HONEST answer is always I DON'T KNOW. But, I do under stand that every major current religion with a god head that has been presented to me (Islam, Christianity, Hinduism) has failed to show the truth because there are HUGE issues with every one.

Also, there are hard and soft atheist. A soft atheist is the agnostic atheist. The hard atheist is someone who believes that there are no gods. Nothing. And nothing happens after death. But,. the issue here is by declaring that you are a hard atheist the burden of proof shifts to you. And now its on the hard atheist to prove that there is nothing, and no god. Unlikely, because the afterlife, and god are currently unfalsifiable. It current can't be proven true or false. Maybe science one day will be able to show that there is no god? Probably won't happen in our life time, or tbh may never happen.

The actual answer I like to give is I DON'T KNOW. What happens after death? I DON'T KNOW. Maybe our souls are harvested by aliens. Maybe there is truly a Christian, Hindu or Muslim heaven and hell. Maybe reincarnation is real. Or, the probability of nothingness is the truth. You don't get to interject YOUR god into the mix which I see so many religious people do. That is your ego talking. Its also quite ignorant.

Finally, what I do know is the many things we thought were attributed by god or gods has been proven wrong by science. The weather, storms, earthquakes, disease, mental illnesses, etc.. Were all thought to be from the creator. Ancient people thought the sun, and moon were god. But as science has matured and proven j=how these events come to be naturally, god has gotten smaller and small. We now have actual proof that meteorites contain the building blocks of life. The Miller–Urey experiment has been able to replicate the beginning stages of life. Also, evolution is true and we have ABUNDANT proof that its true. No matter what youth earth Christians or Muslims say. Noah/s Ark, Adam and Eve, the tower of babel, Sodom and Gomorrah, the mass exodus of Jews, etc.. They have been shown to have serious issues by very well respected archaeologist. And, Ron Wyatt is a joke. he is not an archaeologist and has been debunked countless times.

The god of the gaps keeps getting smaller and smaller. If we take the numbers 0-10 in regard to proof of how the universe happened, came to be. We have proof of 0, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10. The only ones missing are numbers 4 and 7 when we are able to answer 4 and 7? This is the dilemma religion is in. IMO, religion was used as a tool by ancient civilizations to understand life and what happens after death. Today, religion is fading fast. The top countries in regard to the greatest quality of life are non religious. Japan, Norway, Czech Republic. Even in America, I live a much better quality of life in NJ than bible worshiping Americans in Mississippi, Alabama, and Oklahoma where high rates of poverty, crime, low education, and teenage birth rates are very high.

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chewbachman 29 DIC 2023 a las 12:34

Publicado originalmente por Voroff:
Publicado originalmente por chewbachman:
I understand the agnostic position but Atheism requires as much faith as having a religion does.
No, you dont understand a thing. It's ok. Shuuush, it's OK. Just dont make any public declarations, as you should not use big words that you dont have the definition of.

Sorry, if any big words you may have found overwhelmed you. I tried to keep it simple for a wide audience.

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chewbachman 29 DIC 2023 a las 13:45

Publicado originalmente por mai72:
Atheism isn't a religion and doesn't require faith.

Faith is the excuse people give when they don't know the actual answer.

I know off topic is probably not the best sample, but with the amount of zealous religion bashing here in off topic from self professed atheists, you sure coulda fooled me.

I think most self professed atheists hanging around here are just proud hedonists.

At least mai72 can articulate why he believes what he believes. Or lack thereof… whatever.

Última edición por chewbachman; 29 DIC 2023 a las 14:08

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steven1mac 29 DIC 2023 a las 13:48

As much as atheist preach about their ideology, the more it sounds like a religion.

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Xero_Daxter 29 DIC 2023 a las 13:49

Publicado originalmente por steven1mac:
As much as atheist preach about their ideology, the more it sounds like a religion.

Preach? When has any atheist said "Man.... I'm proud that I'm an atheist."???

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steven1mac 29 DIC 2023 a las 13:50

Publicado originalmente por Xero_Daxter:
Publicado originalmente por steven1mac:
As much as atheist preach about their ideology, the more it sounds like a religion.
Preach? When has any atheist said "Man.... I'm proud that I'm an atheist."???

Several just on OT.

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xDDD 29 DIC 2023 a las 13:52

Publicado originalmente por steven1mac:
As much as atheist preach about their ideology, the more it sounds like a religion.

Facts.
How often does an OP make a thread saying everyone has to follow Christianity/Islam/Buddhism/etc or else they go to He77/etc? Not very often. In fact I don't think I've seen it a single time.
How often does an atheist OP make a thread whining about how religions are so bad and evil and wrong? At least every few days if not every day.

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Neurotic Panda 29 DIC 2023 a las 13:56

I tend to find that most atheists are in fact just anti-christian.

They tend to have no issue or cause no issues for pagans, Buddhists, Hindu, etc. From my experience its a non issue. i knew an atheist who would make fun of anyone who opened a bible or told someone to have a blessed day, etc.. he would berate them with his atheist knowledge and jokes. When though he came across Muslims in hijabs, or saw a Muslim praying, etc.. not a word. complete silence. no jokes. nothing.

I have had many encounters like this. i find it interesting.

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