People are not purchasing EVs at the rate desired by the government.

[Groogo]

Electric cars and trucks are piling up on dealer lots, causing auto companies to reassess their investment plans. General Motors recently had to buy out almost half of the Buick dealerships nationwide as they refused to re-tool their service departments for EVs.

Ford Motor Company faced similar issues as almost half of Ford dealerships said that they do not want to sell electric vehicles. The flagship Ford F-100 Lighting is not selling and the CEO said that trying to drive an F-150 cross-country forced him to experience a reality check as they are just not selling.

Like wind and solar power the advertising (propaganda) has far out stretched the actual capabilities of these so called "Green" products.

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nullpo eredeti hozzászólása:

Fake eredeti hozzászólása:

Fun Fact - Cars can be repaired

One day the damage will eventually stack on. Your engine starts becoming inefficient, etc. and then when you see your neighbor shiny car you might just change it instead of fixing your 10 years old car.

Speak for yourself. I speak as the proud owner of a 1997 Toyota Corolla. 🚗

You do have a point though. Eventually something will go wrong that isn't worth repairing, which with gas cars is usually one of either the engine, transmission, or excessive rust. The issue I have with electric cars as they are now is that the point where that too expensive to repair problem happens is uncomfortably soon after buying it. We would all essentially be downgrading to the same lifespan as Nissan's crappy CVTs.

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No I like gas powered cars easier and cheaper to fix.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

How much gas does the electric save b4 the battery is no good? Is it more for the gas for 5 years or is the new battery plus electric to charge it for 5 years cheaper
Let's say 30 miles per day 5 days a week at 4 dollars a gallon at 30 mpg
So that's 20 gallons a month times 4 equal 80 dollars a month

That is 960 dollars a year to drive gas times 5 equals 5000 dollars for 5 years

[Pocahawtness]

Apparently the problem is range. People are "afraid" of the range of electric, despite the fact that most people don't exceed the available range.

However, range will improve with time. People will stop fearing these things.

It could well be that the car is about to fundamentally change over the next 20 years anyway. It may eventually become unfashionable to own one. People may just hire them as needed. Who knows?

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Ah, but the question is, can you charge it?

Newsome in the same week that they announced a ban of future gas powered cars, also told people to not charge their cars.

I'm seeing power stations be shut down...specifically hydro power plants in the name of Salmon.

[Xero_Daxter]

Instead of trying to make newer and newer cars; let's find ways to make repairing cars cheaper and affordable.

[xDDD]

Xmas🎅Pocah eredeti hozzászólása:

Apparently the problem is range. People are "afraid" of the range of electric, despite the fact that most people don't exceed the available range.

However, range will improve with time. People will stop fearing these things.

It could well be that the car is about to fundamentally change over the next 20 years anyway. It may eventually become unfashionable to own one. People may just hire them as needed. Who knows?

The range isn't even THAT bad tbh. There are many EVs now with 300-350 mile ranges, which is pretty in-line with a lot of gas vehicles.
For those people who really don't like cars or driving and basically never plan to travel/drive much then I can see the appeal of an EV. Drive it to work, possibly charge at work, drive it home, plug it in overnight, and repeat. Never caring about gas prices or any of that.

There's a myriad of other reasons why EVs are terrible, though. Even in the most optimistic of scenarios they are NOT a permanent or sustainable solution. Barring some major breakthroughs in battery recycling, EVs will simply be a phase or a transitional period if they ever really get the widespread adoption
Which tbh I can virtually guarantee that they won't ever get adopted in a widespread manner.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

ev are bad.
-I wont repeat the whole list of why they are more poluting and dangerous than regulair cars.
*not needing a car at all thats usefull but again made arguments for that repeatingly too


fact is in the eu they press on this idiotic plan than only ev cars and vans are allowed to be sold starting 1-1-2030.
the sale of 2d hand by dealers will be banned 1-1-2035

those who still own petrol cars can still use them but logically will find ever harder to find a gasstation, parts flr repair and a knowledhable mechanic to do the repairs.

many cities in my country ban cars older than 5 years from entering.. so eventually you can only drive on very few roads past 2035 with a petrolcar anyway.
other european countries have similair zones.

cars sold before 1-1-1982 are seen as oldtimers.. they are and will remain except from vehicle owners tax.
all cars sold after will never become excemt from this tax even if they age past the 40 year oldtimer mark in the future instead the tax on them will only keep going up.

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i find this idiotic. all it will do is polute the earth eay more, and drive up car and resoureprices.. princing a large chunk of population out of owning a car.. and making costs of living for all vastly higher, lowerimg living standards by a third.. hitting those in the porrest 20% who dont ecen own cars right now especially hard.

[Enigmatic]

Maybe if they weren't putting surveillance technology in the vehicles people would actually use hard earned money for them.

[Ulfrinn]

nullpo eredeti hozzászólása:

Fake eredeti hozzászólása:

Fun Fact - Cars can be repaired

One day the damage will eventually stack on. Your engine starts becoming inefficient, etc. and then when you see your neighbor shiny car you might just change it instead of fixing your 10 years old car.

Your $20,000 battery pack won't even make it to 10 years.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

You know how scary it would be to get in car accident in evie and have the battery pack under your seat ready to go off.

[emcarlsen (she/her)]

Electric cars are not the solution for climate change; walkable cities with affordable, convenient mass transit are.

[Ulfrinn]

Yup, this is what happens when a lithium battery cell ruptures. Imagine hundreds of these getting set off in a chain reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oieH2wwDGzo

[Ulfrinn]

emcarlsen (she/her) eredeti hozzászólása:

Electric cars are not the solution for climate change; walkable cities with affordable, convenient mass transit are.

It doesn't even need to be walkable. Just more accommodations of PEVs would get the job done. That's the only realm where electric has real value.

[emcarlsen (she/her)]

Ulfrinn eredeti hozzászólása:

emcarlsen (she/her) eredeti hozzászólása:

Electric cars are not the solution for climate change; walkable cities with affordable, convenient mass transit are.

It doesn't even need to be walkable. Just more accommodations of PEVs would get the job done. That's the only realm where electric has real value.

Yes, it needs to be walkable. We need cities that are communities and gathering places for public interaction, full of public spaces.