How come everyone is quick to blame the right and ignore their own party that does the same stupid crap worse?

[Heatblizzard]

Then make up all sorts of BS how it's all 'their fault' when in reality both sides play a role in it (though even then one side is still worse) but you have to do some deep homework on the other side to find out who has a fighting chance but often those people get kicked off the ballot box when they actually get somewhere and the bozo is always selected.

[ice]

I agree with you, as in Im 200% on your side, but the way you present the issue and why its meaningful to you has a large effect on whether anything is going to change. You're also forgetting you have to prove to those people that its something they already believe would be beneficial, that is, before you're able to convince them of the issue. I'm not a defeatist but you have to know how thousands of us have already tried, there is no sense in repeating the SAME ATTEMPTS many of us have done over TENS OF YEARS which has not only NOT WORKED AT ALL but MADE MANY ISSUES INCONCEIVABLY WORSE. Because the way you just presented it here is how we've been doing it for years and you're not making any changes, in fact you're making it more difficult to convert people by committing a lower level effort. I know it might not seem low effort to you, but to me it is, because if even if you live under a rock you can search and youll see many posts on the internet just like yours and not one thing has ever changed and its only gotten more difficult over time. You need to stop and think about what youre doing, because we're approaching terminal velocity on this rockslide of sewage and you all dont know the reason why is because you keep making the same mistakes when you try to 'fix' common understanding. If you don't agree with me, you are part of the problem. In my opinion, it's already too late. Because you are CLUELESS as to anything I've just said.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

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Majestic Turkey の投稿を引用：

You clearly didn't read because you cannot allow yourself to understand because it would lay bare the fact that you have no foundation to your positions.

The psychological effects are your program, its the intended consequence.

And so you have to pretend not to understand.

Your ruthless trolling is wearing thin, the game is transparent to all who are watching.

Nope.
I don't teach anyone to fear guns by thinking that safety & responsibility are important with guns. If safety and responsibility are embraced, that can and will reduce their fears. People feel safer and less feared when they are in a car with a safe and responsible driver. Or they feel safer and less feared when they board a plane where safety is taken seriously. This applies in every part of life. So yes, also guns.

You know the people who actually teach others to fear guns?
Shooters, mass shooters and school shooters.

The gaslighting that is apparent with phrases such as "guns don't kill people so don't fear guns" or the attempts to downplay the amount of shootings and severity of the issue is truly astonishing.

Gun is a powerful tool, and in some cases deadly. This is a fact.
And I really wonder why does GOP act as if they are just toys?
Why do some people in GOP think that it's okay to give a gun to a very young kid to play with?

This is going to backfire, you know. The vast majority of people don't think that way.

Telling people guns are some danger which must be held back and anyone that doesn't treat them all as a holy object which must be held in reserve lest it cause death incarnate where it lay is what would call paranoia, i.e a form of fear combined with emotional obsession. The thing about a car is that it isn't a simple tool to use. It takes time to learn how a car turns, how to read it's contours from the inside, how to feel it's speed. A gun is like a hammer, only requiring basic hand-eye coordination and functionally no different than swinging your arm. You don't need training to know how to hold your arm straight. the only training you need is reloading and clearing the gun but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that up just means the gun doesnt fire so no danger.

As for matter shooters, allow me to teach you the words of Alma. "Wrong against young contractor, a human can take a life with a sword, a knife, even their bare hands." Someone who wants to kill or maime will use simple fertilizer bombs, light the building on fire, or buy a damn sword. If you fear not the mental illness that lead to this and instead only the tool he used you're not paying attention.

By the by, NO ONE in the GOP or in support of the GOP thinks guns are toys. They advise people to buy cases or practice at shooting ranges before every carrying a gun IRL. I don't know what drugs you were on when you supposadly saw it, but NO ONE wants to give guns to 5 year olds. They only give them to adults or teenagers under strict supervision for learning and coming of age

[Netaris]

DJ_ic3 の投稿を引用：

I agree with you, as in Im 200% on your side, but the way you present the issue and why its meaningful to you has a large effect on whether anything is going to change. You're also forgetting you have to prove to those people that its something they already believe would be beneficial, that is, before you're able to convince them of the issue. I'm not a defeatist but you have to know how thousands of us have already tried, there is no sense in repeating the SAME ATTEMPTS many of us have done over TENS OF YEARS which has not only NOT WORKED AT ALL but MADE MANY ISSUES INCONCEIVABLY WORSE. Because the way you just presented it here is how we've been doing it for years and you're not making any changes, in fact you're making it more difficult to convert people by committing a lower level effort. I know it might not seem low effort to you, but to me it is, because if even if you live under a rock you can search and youll see many posts on the internet just like yours and not one thing has ever changed and its only gotten more difficult over time. You need to stop and think about what youre doing, because we're approaching terminal velocity on this rockslide of sewage and you all dont know the reason why is because you keep making the same mistakes when you try to 'fix' common understanding. If you don't agree with me, you are part of the problem. In my opinion, it's already too late. Because you are CLUELESS as to anything I've just said.

How but, I understand what you're saying. It's just that I've choosed not to, because I know History and how these events end most of the time. It's too soon to act and the peoples who don't want to ear you will not, no matter what you may say. Most peoples don't listen to others much, but they react to what they live themselves. Nothing changed the situation in France for decades and now, it change, but why ? Because less and less peoples are able to flee the problems caused by massive immigration and globalism.

The sad but true thing about this is : only pain bring changes, if the peoples suffer from a policy, they'll think about it and will try to get rid of it. So the best solution is to help globalists do as much damages as possible, as fast as possible. The more pain they inflict, the more they'll be fighted. It's as simple as that and in this case problems are already too deep to be solved by peacefull method. We're on the hard path, with harsh consequences no matter what, we just have to accept it will end badly no matter what we do or say and prepare for it.

You know, I've seen some testimonies of ex-djihadist/terrorists who've rejected their past ideology. You know what common point they all have ? It taked them 10+ years of thinking and researchs to get away from it. Today's globalists are the same, they're way too deep in their own BS to be saved and we don't have 10+ years to save their asses. We should focus on those who already see the problems instead and focus on saving ourselves and our families from the mess they've created. Their ideology is self-destructive, there is not even a need to fight it, just protect yourself and your own. That's all you need to do in reality.

[Ulfrinn]

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Imagine when all these millennials are at the social security phase of their lives, and there are so few children in relation to them paying into the system, and since they themselves have paid so much of their earnings paying into the systems themselves for earlier generations, they didn't save up that much themselves going into it. They're going to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥. And it's going to be entirely their own doing.

Nah, that's not their own doing, they're under influence and the only responssibles are the propagandists who manipulate them. I don't blame the weakminded, I blame the puppetmasters.

At some point though, you have to take responsibility for being weak minded. The tools to improve are out there. They choose the path of least resistance, and that's on them. They expect foreign wage slaves to come in and take care of them... There just isn't anything redeeming about them as people, and at some point, that's on them.

[Dom]

videomike_Ultimate_Plushie の投稿を引用：

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Nope.
I don't teach anyone to fear guns by thinking that safety & responsibility are important with guns. If safety and responsibility are embraced, that can and will reduce their fears. People feel safer and less feared when they are in a car with a safe and responsible driver. Or they feel safer and less feared when they board a plane where safety is taken seriously. This applies in every part of life. So yes, also guns.

You know the people who actually teach others to fear guns?
Shooters, mass shooters and school shooters.

The gaslighting that is apparent with phrases such as "guns don't kill people so don't fear guns" or the attempts to downplay the amount of shootings and severity of the issue is truly astonishing.

Gun is a powerful tool, and in some cases deadly. This is a fact.
And I really wonder why does GOP act as if they are just toys?
Why do some people in GOP think that it's okay to give a gun to a very young kid to play with?

This is going to backfire, you know. The vast majority of people don't think that way.

Telling people guns are some danger which must be held back and anyone that doesn't treat them all as a holy object which must be held in reserve lest it cause death incarnate where it lay is what would call paranoia, i.e a form of fear combined with emotional obsession. The thing about a car is that it isn't a simple tool to use. It takes time to learn how a car turns, how to read it's contours from the inside, how to feel it's speed. A gun is like a hammer, only requiring basic hand-eye coordination and functionally no different than swinging your arm. You don't need training to know how to hold your arm straight. the only training you need is reloading and clearing the gun but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that up just means the gun doesnt fire so no danger.

As for matter shooters, allow me to teach you the words of Alma. "Wrong against young contractor, a human can take a life with a sword, a knife, even their bare hands." Someone who wants to kill or maime will use simple fertilizer bombs, light the building on fire, or buy a damn sword. If you fear not the mental illness that lead to this and instead only the tool he used you're not paying attention.

By the by, NO ONE in the GOP or in support of the GOP thinks guns are toys. They advise people to buy cases or practice at shooting ranges before every carrying a gun IRL. I don't know what drugs you were on when you supposadly saw it, but NO ONE wants to give guns to 5 year olds. They only give them to adults or teenagers under strict supervision for learning and coming of age

Speaking of public carrying the Missouri GOP blocked attempts to prohibit kids from carrying in public. What was that all about? Under strict supervision? Kids walking on streets with guns with no supervision. So no matter what you try to claim, that is deeply integrated into the GOP ideology. Remember that actions speak louder than words, always.

As for guns, it's crazy to suggest that it's in any way equivalent to hammer. A kid wouldn't smash their own hands with a hammer. They recognize that this would harm them. However, the kid doesn't know how gun actually functions. And for this reason, there have been cases where children have shot themselves. This is exactly the kind of downplaying that I'm talking about. This needs to end. Full stop.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

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videomike_Ultimate_Plushie の投稿を引用：

Telling people guns are some danger which must be held back and anyone that doesn't treat them all as a holy object which must be held in reserve lest it cause death incarnate where it lay is what would call paranoia, i.e a form of fear combined with emotional obsession. The thing about a car is that it isn't a simple tool to use. It takes time to learn how a car turns, how to read it's contours from the inside, how to feel it's speed. A gun is like a hammer, only requiring basic hand-eye coordination and functionally no different than swinging your arm. You don't need training to know how to hold your arm straight. the only training you need is reloading and clearing the gun but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that up just means the gun doesnt fire so no danger.

As for matter shooters, allow me to teach you the words of Alma. "Wrong against young contractor, a human can take a life with a sword, a knife, even their bare hands." Someone who wants to kill or maime will use simple fertilizer bombs, light the building on fire, or buy a damn sword. If you fear not the mental illness that lead to this and instead only the tool he used you're not paying attention.

By the by, NO ONE in the GOP or in support of the GOP thinks guns are toys. They advise people to buy cases or practice at shooting ranges before every carrying a gun IRL. I don't know what drugs you were on when you supposadly saw it, but NO ONE wants to give guns to 5 year olds. They only give them to adults or teenagers under strict supervision for learning and coming of age

Speaking of public carrying the Missouri GOP blocked attempts to prohibit kids from carrying in public. What was that all about? Under strict supervision? Kids walking on streets with guns with no supervision. So no matter what you try to claim, that is deeply integrated into the GOP ideology. Remember that actions speak louder than words, always.

As for guns, it's crazy to suggest that it's in any way equivalent to hammer. A kid wouldn't smash their own hands with a hammer. They recognize that this would harm them. However, the kid doesn't know how gun actually functions. And for this reason, there have been cases where children have shot themselves. This is exactly the kind of downplaying that I'm talking about. This needs to end. Full stop.

Man it's almost like any laws restricting people's right to carry is a problem and there's no reason to believe for a second giving legal precedent to banning people from owning their guns directly or indirectly would be bad thing. Did you read this bill? Because I suspect it hit more than children.

As for my comparison, my dude, do you know how a gun works? It's like a hammer because they're both handheld devices designed to be extension of the use and reach of your arm. The only thing you need to operate a hammer is to use your hand-eye coordination to aim that arm. It's functionally just an extension of your hand with a blunt heavy end on it. Same applies with guns, its an extension of your arm that makes an object go through another object. And good sir, if you think a child should be given a full on hammer and won't hurt themselves, then you've never worked with children.

Speaking of, is it so hard to think past the simpsons "think of the children," joke that you cant recognize and discuss the details of the tool itself? Because the obsession with bringing up children every 5 seconds is ridiculous.

[Dom]

videomike_Ultimate_Plushie の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

Speaking of public carrying the Missouri GOP blocked attempts to prohibit kids from carrying in public. What was that all about? Under strict supervision? Kids walking on streets with guns with no supervision. So no matter what you try to claim, that is deeply integrated into the GOP ideology. Remember that actions speak louder than words, always.

As for guns, it's crazy to suggest that it's in any way equivalent to hammer. A kid wouldn't smash their own hands with a hammer. They recognize that this would harm them. However, the kid doesn't know how gun actually functions. And for this reason, there have been cases where children have shot themselves. This is exactly the kind of downplaying that I'm talking about. This needs to end. Full stop.

Man it's almost like any laws restricting people's right to carry is a problem and there's no reason to believe for a second giving legal precedent to banning people from owning their guns directly or indirectly would be bad thing. Did you read this bill? Because I suspect it hit more than children.

As for my comparison, my dude, do you know how a gun works? It's like a hammer because they're both handheld devices designed to be extension of the use and reach of your arm. The only thing you need to operate a hammer is to use your hand-eye coordination to aim that arm. It's functionally just an extension of your hand with a blunt heavy end on it. Same applies with guns, its an extension of your arm that makes an object go through another object. And good sir, if you think a child should be given a full on hammer and won't hurt themselves, then you've never worked with children.

Speaking of, is it so hard to think past the simpsons "think of the children," joke that you cant recognize and discuss the details of the tool itself? Because the obsession with bringing up children every 5 seconds is ridiculous.

You can zigzag if you want but the fact to the matter is, GOP would not introduce or be favor of a bill that prohibits public carrying from children. They think everything should be left to the individuals to decide. Pretty much all of these restrictions and efforts have been from the Dems; even ones that are focused solely on children's safety, so not just in general, and not just the ones that apply to adults.

You're drawing false conclusions here. I don't think very small children should be given hammers toy with but I also don't think a child is going to kill themselves with a hammer as much as with a gun. Because the child learns how the hammer functions based on the features of the physical object (which the child can fully see/recognize unlike the gun) and the likeliness that they are going to smash their own hand is very minimal. Accidents would happen because children are careless but that's another matter.

As for guns, giving a child anything that could kill them with a simple press is in no way comparable to object that cannot do that, be it hammer or anything else. Gun is definitely in its own league. If 7-8 year olds are given hammers in a supervised classroom to do woodwork with, and everything goes fine, that does not mean it's okay to give all of them guns in a supervised classroom. Do you think this is in any way comparable? You probably do not. So quit the hammer comparison.

[Ulfrinn]

videomike_Ultimate_Plushie の投稿を引用：

Dom の投稿を引用：

Speaking of public carrying the Missouri GOP blocked attempts to prohibit kids from carrying in public. What was that all about? Under strict supervision? Kids walking on streets with guns with no supervision. So no matter what you try to claim, that is deeply integrated into the GOP ideology. Remember that actions speak louder than words, always.

As for guns, it's crazy to suggest that it's in any way equivalent to hammer. A kid wouldn't smash their own hands with a hammer. They recognize that this would harm them. However, the kid doesn't know how gun actually functions. And for this reason, there have been cases where children have shot themselves. This is exactly the kind of downplaying that I'm talking about. This needs to end. Full stop.

Man it's almost like any laws restricting people's right to carry is a problem and there's no reason to believe for a second giving legal precedent to banning people from owning their guns directly or indirectly would be bad thing. Did you read this bill? Because I suspect it hit more than children.

As for my comparison, my dude, do you know how a gun works? It's like a hammer because they're both handheld devices designed to be extension of the use and reach of your arm. The only thing you need to operate a hammer is to use your hand-eye coordination to aim that arm. It's functionally just an extension of your hand with a blunt heavy end on it. Same applies with guns, its an extension of your arm that makes an object go through another object. And good sir, if you think a child should be given a full on hammer and won't hurt themselves, then you've never worked with children.

Speaking of, is it so hard to think past the simpsons "think of the children," joke that you cant recognize and discuss the details of the tool itself? Because the obsession with bringing up children every 5 seconds is ridiculous.

Well, in most bill's language, children carrying firearms = hunting. So a prohibition on children carrying firearms would be a ban on them hunting or shooting at all which is just silly.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

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videomike_Ultimate_Plushie の投稿を引用：

Man it's almost like any laws restricting people's right to carry is a problem and there's no reason to believe for a second giving legal precedent to banning people from owning their guns directly or indirectly would be bad thing. Did you read this bill? Because I suspect it hit more than children.

As for my comparison, my dude, do you know how a gun works? It's like a hammer because they're both handheld devices designed to be extension of the use and reach of your arm. The only thing you need to operate a hammer is to use your hand-eye coordination to aim that arm. It's functionally just an extension of your hand with a blunt heavy end on it. Same applies with guns, its an extension of your arm that makes an object go through another object. And good sir, if you think a child should be given a full on hammer and won't hurt themselves, then you've never worked with children.

Speaking of, is it so hard to think past the simpsons "think of the children," joke that you cant recognize and discuss the details of the tool itself? Because the obsession with bringing up children every 5 seconds is ridiculous.

You can zigzag if you want but the fact to the matter is, GOP would not introduce or be favor of a bill that prohibits public carrying from children. They think everything should be left to the individuals to decide. Pretty much all of these restrictions and efforts have been from the Dems; even ones that are focused solely on children's safety, so not just in general, and not just the ones that apply to adults.

You're drawing false conclusions here. I don't think very small children should be given hammers toy with but I also don't think a child is going to kill themselves with a hammer as much as with a gun. Because the child learns how the hammer functions based on the features of the physical object (which the child can fully see/recognize unlike the gun) and the likeliness that they are going to smash their own hand is very minimal. Accidents would happen because children are careless but that's another matter.

As for guns, giving a child anything that could kill them with a simple press is in no way comparable to object that cannot do that, be it hammer or anything else. Gun is definitely in its own league. If 7-8 year olds are given hammers in a supervised classroom to do woodwork with, and everything goes fine, that does not mean it's okay to give all of them guns in a supervised classroom. Do you think this is in any way comparable? You probably do not. So quit the hammer comparison.

Okay can we drop the child ♥♥♥♥? We're talking about the operation of a tool not the mismanagment of present it to children. You seem to not know anything about children when you say they recognize the harm a hammer can do. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's well known children don't know how their own hands or arms hurt people without being taught that. So can we drop this parody conversation of "won't someone think of the children!" and focus on the issue at hand please, the mechanics and use of guns. You dont even know enough about child psychology to even grasp the conversation about children so let's stop wasting time when it isn't anything btu a tangent.

And look, if you think "the democrats only want to prevent children from getting guns," then you are lying to yourself. That isn't true and we both know it. Let's not try to gaslight the whole world when the lie is so obvious you might as well have yelled the sky is made of pink elephants. The American Democrat party wants all guns restricted from the general populace as a matter of cause, that is well known and they admit it publicly. And you seem to be locks step and barrel with them demanding it's in the same class of thing as a jet engine plane just for the sake of making the tool seem far more unwieldy and uncontrolled than it ever was. You act like guns are some heretical artifact which will spawn a demon is not handled flawlessly.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

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Well, in most bill's language, children carrying firearms = hunting. So a prohibition on children carrying firearms would be a ban on them hunting or shooting at all which is just silly.

Good point, considering the secondary consequences of the law is what I expect of a politician. Killing a pastime and right of passage for many rural communities and families alike would be quite stupid. If the law failed to that into account then it should have been blocked for being a poorly written law.

[Dom]

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Dom の投稿を引用：

You can zigzag if you want but the fact to the matter is, GOP would not introduce or be favor of a bill that prohibits public carrying from children. They think everything should be left to the individuals to decide. Pretty much all of these restrictions and efforts have been from the Dems; even ones that are focused solely on children's safety, so not just in general, and not just the ones that apply to adults.

You're drawing false conclusions here. I don't think very small children should be given hammers toy with but I also don't think a child is going to kill themselves with a hammer as much as with a gun. Because the child learns how the hammer functions based on the features of the physical object (which the child can fully see/recognize unlike the gun) and the likeliness that they are going to smash their own hand is very minimal. Accidents would happen because children are careless but that's another matter.

As for guns, giving a child anything that could kill them with a simple press is in no way comparable to object that cannot do that, be it hammer or anything else. Gun is definitely in its own league. If 7-8 year olds are given hammers in a supervised classroom to do woodwork with, and everything goes fine, that does not mean it's okay to give all of them guns in a supervised classroom. Do you think this is in any way comparable? You probably do not. So quit the hammer comparison.

Okay can we drop the child ♥♥♥♥? We're talking about the operation of a tool not the mismanagment of present it to children. You seem to not know anything about children when you say they recognize the harm a hammer can do. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's well known children don't know how their own hands or arms hurt people without being taught that. So can we drop this parody conversation of "won't someone think of the children!" and focus on the issue at hand please, the mechanics and use of guns. You dont even know enough about child psychology to even grasp the conversation about children so let's stop wasting time when it isn't anything btu a tangent.

And look, if you think "the democrats only want to prevent children from getting guns," then you are lying to yourself. That isn't true and we both know it. Let's not try to gaslight the whole world when the lie is so obvious you might as well have yelled the sky is made of pink elephants. The American Democrat party wants all guns restricted from the general populace as a matter of cause, that is well known and they admit it publicly. And you seem to be locks step and barrel with them demanding it's in the same class of thing as a jet engine plane just for the sake of making the tool seem far more unwieldy and uncontrolled than it ever was. You act like guns are some heretical artifact which will spawn a demon is not handled flawlessly.

It's easier for a child to recognize the features of a hammer than a gun where its capabilities and features are inside the object, hidden from the sight. I feel like I'm stating very obvious facts here. That still doesn't make hammers safe objects for children but there are so many clear differences that it is fair to draw a big distinction between a gun and a hammer.

The plane example was just to demonstrate that people are more at ease when safety, security and responsibility are taken into account. And yes, this applies generally in life. You fear when your safety and security are endangered, by whatever they are endangered.

The accusations about gaslighting are hilarious. Dems have always upheld the second amendment. Biden was asked this as well and he said loud and clear that he is supportive of second amendment. In addition, if you look at the gun sales data in the US, you may discover record sales during the dem terms - the terms when they are in power. Now, what party would have record sales of firearms if they are wanting to "take them away" like the GOP is fearmongering its base to believe? The stats don't correlate with any of these accusations. Btw, that's also because the established safety precautions don't restrict sales. The only reason to be concerned about the safety precautions is if you are a criminal or you have a severe mental health problem. Then you, well, may not get a gun.

[videomike_Ultimate_Plushie]

I'm not even going to quote you Dom. You don't know anything about child psychology if you believe what you said about the hammer example. You are plainly either lying or ignorant beyond all measure(and I know you aren't that ignorant you're well research and know better,) if you're trying to defend the American Democrat party is anything but antagaonistic to the second amendment. ♥♥♥♥ sake you were just told a law was so badly written it would stop teenagers from going on supervised hunting trips and pretended it wasn't said. If you're going to just try to gaslight everyone around you then I'm calling you either in need of serious mental help for narcissistic delusions, or plainly abusive. Either way I have no interest in feeding either.

[Dom]

videomike_Ultimate_Plushie の投稿を引用：

I'm not even going to quote you Dom. You don't know anything about child psychology if you believe what you said about the hammer example. You are plainly either lying or ignorant beyond all measure(and I know you aren't that ignorant you're well research and know better,) if you're trying to defend the American Democrat party is anything but antagaonistic to the second amendment. ♥♥♥♥ sake you were just told a law was so badly written it would stop teenagers from going on supervised hunting trips and pretended it wasn't said. If you're going to just try to gaslight everyone around you then I'm calling you either in need of serious mental help for narcissistic delusions, or plainly abusive. Either way I have no interest in feeding either.

What do you think I said about the hammer example? Because all I said is that there are clear differences between a gun and a hammer and for that reason I wouldn't compare. Lots of people, me included, would without hesitation think and say that gun is more dangerous to a child than hammer. I don't know why you would then try to draw conclusions that I think hammer is totally safe for children. I don't - but I also don't think the two are comparable. I can explain why I don't think so, as well.

I'm the kind of person who believes in actions, I look at the numbers. If gun sales under dem terms are sky-high, it's getting hard to swallow everything GOP says about them, without applying any critical thinking. This isn't gaslighting - this isn't me being narcissistic (very rude accusation by the way), this is just me pointing out something that I thought is very interesting if we are going to discuss second amendment and dems.

[Ulfrinn]

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Well, in most bill's language, children carrying firearms = hunting. So a prohibition on children carrying firearms would be a ban on them hunting or shooting at all which is just silly.

Good point, considering the secondary consequences of the law is what I expect of a politician. Killing a pastime and right of passage for many rural communities and families alike would be quite stupid. If the law failed to that into account then it should have been blocked for being a poorly written law.

Yup, makes perfect sense to people who live in the US, have seen these kind of bills first hand, and knows these communities. Easily obfuscated by someone looking to mislead people who has no clue about any of this and just reads ♥♥♥♥ online. No point in trying to discuss any of it with the latter group.

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bro got ban hammered by clintons.