Is consensual incest a crime? Should it be a crime, or not?

[SmudgyRotter]

Hey, I’ve seen too many political threads on here lately, so I want something interesting. I want answers mainly from liberals, leftists, democrats, etc. or whatever side that is considered hating other side, in this off topic; because I think that those people have very “interesting” moral concept or whatever. I wanna listen.

Anyway, what do you think?

Oh you all should check movie out. Good, educational film for entire family that is 18+.

https://youtu.be/EM4aTFO_ML0?si=ksMGAZEZpPWsX5NU

[RRW359]

Origineel geplaatst door Thadeus:

It's frowned upon because any children resulted from incest are likely to be...defective in some way, meaning their life will be horrible AND they will be a burden on society as well.

If I have autism, which is considered by many to be a "defect" that a lot of people thing causes me to be a burden on society, and I go out of my way to meet someone Autistic and have an Autistic kid should that be illegal the same way incest is? Who determines what a defect is?

Origineel geplaatst door Thadeus:

Origineel geplaatst door ZZZZZ:

means a woman who cant give birth should be allowed?

Incest is not illegal. So sure.

It absolutely is in many countries with or without kids.

[SmudgyRotter]

Origineel geplaatst door Groogo:

I find it humorous that after all of the "inbred" jokes that the woke have leveled at country folks over the years that they have now swung around to advocating for inbreeding and they think that it is hot. Porn is doing it's job influencing some of it's users. Whatever the oligarchs want, they can produce enough propaganda to sway it their way. Legalized pedophilia is likely their main goal and it's probably only a few more years, maybe a decade before that campaign fulfills it's purpose.

I did call out hypocrisy of the other very progressive guy in much earlier thread. He is still denying it. I mean, the other side wants to go as far as banning porn, but he would never. So, he would be ok with porn and homosexuals, but he calls incest a “taboo”.

I rolled my eyes. I was expecting much support from progressive people, but nope. So, it was like I say, if something is convenient to them, they say yes, if it is not, then they say no, and they just say “science”, even if they say that abortion is healthcare.

Hey progressive people. People that do incest are people too, they are very minority and they need your help!!?…”nope. I don’t care, just go die.” *sigh*

[Belle Delphine Targaryen!]

I'm paraplegic and have never had a girlfriend. If my sister agreed to be my first, I would think long about it.

It's like the episode from The Sinner when Jessica Biel's character consented to be her sister's first because she had a terminal illness.

[L1qu1dator]

Origineel geplaatst door Belle Delphine Targaryen!:

It's like the episode from The Sinner when Jessica Biel's character consented to be her sister's first because she had a terminal illness.

*makes a mental note to remember to watch "The Sinner"*

[Affronter]

Incest was a necessity during the Great Plague of 2020/2021 and the isolate-in-house restrictions.

[Belle Delphine Targaryen!]

Origineel geplaatst door L1qu1dator:

Origineel geplaatst door Belle Delphine Targaryen!:

It's like the episode from The Sinner when Jessica Biel's character consented to be her sister's first because she had a terminal illness.

*makes a mental note to remember to watch "The Sinner"*

Mighty good show!

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

One needs to consent to be able to have sex with themselves.

[Not Big Surprise]

consent is dubious at best when incest is involved

so your premise might be flawed from the get-go

[Sidakte]

Origineel geplaatst door SmudgyRotter:

I did call out hypocrisy of the other very progressive guy in much earlier thread. He is still denying it. I mean, the other side wants to go as far as banning porn, but he would never. So, he would be ok with porn and homosexuals, but he calls incest a “taboo”.

I rolled my eyes. I was expecting much support from progressive people, but nope. So, it was like I say, if something is convenient to them, they say yes, if it is not, then they say no, and they just say “science”, even if they say that abortion is healthcare.

Hey progressive people. People that do incest are people too, they are very minority and they need your help!!?…”nope. I don’t care, just go die.” *sigh*

yes you meant me from our little convo earlier on.
yes i still deny it. and i will keep denying it. like i said, there's no change of minds here.
just discussion. and you may keep rolling those cute little eyes as much as you like, nothing is gonna change. we'll just keep exchanging our opinions till this thread ultimately ends.

yes, incest is a taboo socially speaking. do i find it individually as a taboo? nope. because i don't feel the need to do it myself. but even besides that i consider it something that can be overlooked as activity without the taboo influence on it. simply because it is not something i would do.

yes, the same science that says that abortion is healthcare (which is) says that if you keep doing the chacha dance with your fam long enough you'll end up with 3 hands, a leg and a half and look like something out of the Alien Resurrection movie (hint: check the failed clones in the laboratory that Ripley burns with her flamethrower. no, the flamethrower solution is not something i would adhere to morally speaking. i'm a pacifist.)

Origineel geplaatst door permanent name:

Origineel geplaatst door Sidakte:

2. upon which degeneration barrier we will find ourselves sooner rather than much much later if incest becomes legalized and normalized through the legality of it. i would argue that the taboo was merely a social safety mechanism to avoid incest at all costs, besides our very own hardwired safety mechanisms that prevent us from feeling attraction to our own family members.
3. i wouldn't say it's that common tbh. it can be a fetish for some. but without the kink shaming aspect on it on which a couple may roleplay for instance, it has real historical and scientific grounds to be forbidden beyond roleplaying. but as far as royalty goes we could say that it consisted a form of eugenics, to which i also disagree.
4. if we go that much back yes ♥♥♥♥ sapiens is genetically incompatible with anything but their own family bloodline. but that doesn't mean that we must act on it now thousands of years since that time. we overcame incest for a reason.
5. doesn't always produce kids but we can't leave out the error factor. errors will be made. children will be born accidentally. what will happen to them? just throw them away as a byproduct of humanitys particular enjoyments? not an argument against abortion. yes abortion is a choice. but then it stops being optional for the woman and it becomes enforced onto her if the fetus must go in order for her to live due to birth complications.

2. baseless assumption, sounds like a fantasy.
3. again, taking your own point for granted.
4. so you admit that humanity is capable of outbreeding incest, even in a societyless state where we experienced no centralized cooperative forces in our development. so this 'swirling drain' theory is again something people need to create just to fetishize their incest better.
5. Gay incest.

2. nope, how is it baseless? the taboo barrier is there for a reason. regardless if the individual chooses to adhere to the social narrative of the taboo, it's there for a reason for the rest of the society.
3. no, i don't take my own point for granted. i am simply discussing my point with your individuality.
4. no, i take this hypothesis and i examine it even if i disagree with it. it's the same thing Nietzsche would do. examine theories and hypotheses even if i disagree with them. you can't take the models of that societyless state back then and apply them on the society of the 21st century. our society changed throughout the millenia and evolved. for this same reason we abandoned incest.
5. lol.

[SmudgyRotter]

Origineel geplaatst door Sidakte:

Origineel geplaatst door SmudgyRotter:

I did call out hypocrisy of the other very progressive guy in much earlier thread. He is still denying it. I mean, the other side wants to go as far as banning porn, but he would never. So, he would be ok with porn and homosexuals, but he calls incest a “taboo”.

I rolled my eyes. I was expecting much support from progressive people, but nope. So, it was like I say, if something is convenient to them, they say yes, if it is not, then they say no, and they just say “science”, even if they say that abortion is healthcare.

Hey progressive people. People that do incest are people too, they are very minority and they need your help!!?…”nope. I don’t care, just go die.” *sigh*

yes you meant me from our little convo earlier on.
yes i still deny it. and i will keep denying it. like i said, there's no change of minds here.
just discussion. and you may keep rolling those cute little eyes as much as you like, nothing is gonna change. we'll just keep exchanging our opinions till this thread ultimately ends.

yes, incest is a taboo socially speaking. do i find it individually as a taboo? nope. because i don't feel the need to do it myself. but even besides that i consider it something that can be overlooked as activity without the taboo influence on it. simply because it is not something i would do.

yes, the same science that says that abortion is healthcare (which is) says that if you keep doing the chacha dance with your fam long enough you'll end up with 3 hands, a leg and a half and look like something out of the Alien Resurrection movie (hint: check the failed clones in the laboratory that Ripley burns with her flamethrower. no, the flamethrower solution is not something i would adhere to morally speaking. i'm a pacifist.)

My good sir, it’s why you are a very good hypocrite. If it is convenient to you, then you ignore, if it is not convenient for you, then you force your science on others just like you are claiming others forcing religion on others.
Problem with you is that you have never had good sets of values in first place, but then when it comes to something that you don’t like (in your opinion), you start trying to draw a line that you don’t cross. You are ok with homosexuals, abortion but you don’t like consensual incest. I can understand if you are like “oh I just don’t go there”, but when you are like “oh I consider to use the word “taboo”, even I don’t think it is taboo, but whatever, it is a crime, it should be enforced on others”. Let’s not even touch on rape, pedo topic, because I know that some progressive people are soft on rapists, defending pedo (calling it attraction to minors, and it’s ok to do so). Let’s not even talk about those, let’s all agree that you, as a progressive person, are against those too. But when you are against 2 related, consensual adults having an affair, and want to force a law on everyone else. You are a good hypocrite.
You said that you don’t want to change others mind, but you are working hard to try to convince me. I feel that you are going to respond a strong defense again. It will be just the same thing. If nothing is new, I won’t respond.

[Insomniac Jack]

Keep the bloodline pure, keep it in the...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hoEYaLuDdc

[Sidakte]

Origineel geplaatst door SmudgyRotter:

Origineel geplaatst door Sidakte:

yes you meant me from our little convo earlier on.
yes i still deny it. and i will keep denying it. like i said, there's no change of minds here.
just discussion. and you may keep rolling those cute little eyes as much as you like, nothing is gonna change. we'll just keep exchanging our opinions till this thread ultimately ends.

yes, incest is a taboo socially speaking. do i find it individually as a taboo? nope. because i don't feel the need to do it myself. but even besides that i consider it something that can be overlooked as activity without the taboo influence on it. simply because it is not something i would do.

yes, the same science that says that abortion is healthcare (which is) says that if you keep doing the chacha dance with your fam long enough you'll end up with 3 hands, a leg and a half and look like something out of the Alien Resurrection movie (hint: check the failed clones in the laboratory that Ripley burns with her flamethrower. no, the flamethrower solution is not something i would adhere to morally speaking. i'm a pacifist.)

My good sir, it’s why you are a very good hypocrite. If it is convenient to you, then you ignore, if it is not convenient for you, then you force your science on others just like you are claiming others forcing religion on others.
Problem with you is that you have never had good sets of values in first place, but then when it comes to something that you don’t like (in your opinion), you start trying to draw a line that you don’t cross. You are ok with homosexuals, abortion but you don’t like consensual incest. I can understand if you are like “oh I just don’t go there”, but when you are like “oh I consider to use the word “taboo”, even I don’t think it is taboo, but whatever, it is a crime, it should be enforced on others”. Let’s not even touch on rape, pedo topic, because I know that some progressive people are soft on rapists, defending pedo (calling it attraction to minors, and it’s ok to do so). Let’s not even talk about those, let’s all agree that you, as a progressive person, are against those too. But when you are against 2 related, consensual adults having an affair, and want to force a law on everyone else. You are a good hypocrite.
You said that you don’t want to change others mind, but you are working hard to try to convince me. I feel that you are going to respond a strong defense again. It will be just the same thing. If nothing is new, I won’t respond.

forcing. big words i am afraid. there is no forcing. it's not the scientism that says so. it's the recorded data so far which consists science up to a point.
everybody has some lines. some personal lines. perhaps the word "crime" hits big to you. then you shouldn't have included in the post i am afraid as some people would actually agree with it.
the only reason i don't like it its based purely on the data we have so far from its practice, consensual or not. that's not my issue. taboo or not.

besides we already touched the pedo/rapist couple pages ago and we both came to a conclusion that consensual affairs are a must and that staying away from kids is a staple.
laws (and rules) in general exist for a reason. and i don't feel any particular need to convince you either, like i said earlier you do you. want to do it? do it. i can't stop you. but yes i disagree wholeheartedly with the practice and it must remain a crime i'm afraid like you yourself posted.

and i don't see any particular defense on this post either. i only defend myself if i see personal references about me when we talk about something else. could mean that you felt attacked as well because i said it must be a crime.

[Not Big Surprise]

listen

you know how the issue with pedophilia is that kids can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ consent


well, it's similar here
parents always carry some level of authority assigned a priori
as such, that authority is easy to abuse, and difficult to break because you've been conditioned since childhood to follow it

likewise, siblings carry a level of trust, not built through time, but expected to have by virtue of being siblings
you're just supposed to trust your siblings
therefore, that trust can be easily abused, while being very difficult to break because you've been conditioned since childhood to have that trust


that's why incest is deemed illegal
or at least why it should be; the actual reason is probably more related to what amounts to eugenics

[ZZZZZ]

Origineel geplaatst door Not Big Surprise:

listen

you know how the issue with pedophilia is that kids can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ consent


well, it's similar here
parents always carry some level of authority assigned a priori
as such, that authority is easy to abuse, and difficult to break because you've been conditioned since childhood to follow it

likewise, siblings carry a level of trust, not built through time, but expected to have by virtue of being siblings
you're just supposed to trust your siblings
therefore, that trust can be easily abused, while being very difficult to break because you've been conditioned since childhood to have that trust


that's why incest is deemed illegal
or at least why it should be; the actual reason is probably more related to what amounts to eugenics

but those "bonds" are not a given.. some people see their family members as strangers or have a completely different relationship to them

[Not Big Surprise]

Origineel geplaatst door ZZZZZ:

Origineel geplaatst door Not Big Surprise:

listen

you know how the issue with pedophilia is that kids can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ consent


well, it's similar here
parents always carry some level of authority assigned a priori
as such, that authority is easy to abuse, and difficult to break because you've been conditioned since childhood to follow it

likewise, siblings carry a level of trust, not built through time, but expected to have by virtue of being siblings
you're just supposed to trust your siblings
therefore, that trust can be easily abused, while being very difficult to break because you've been conditioned since childhood to have that trust


that's why incest is deemed illegal
or at least why it should be; the actual reason is probably more related to what amounts to eugenics

but those "bonds" are not a given.. some people see their family members as strangers or have a completely different relationship to them

the fact remains that it's difficult to break them, even when you actively try