Is consensual incest a crime? Should it be a crime, or not?

[SmudgyRotter]

Hey, I’ve seen too many political threads on here lately, so I want something interesting. I want answers mainly from liberals, leftists, democrats, etc. or whatever side that is considered hating other side, in this off topic; because I think that those people have very “interesting” moral concept or whatever. I wanna listen.

Anyway, what do you think?

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[Mensis]

GloriousZote の投稿を引用：

I don't think it should be a crime, but inbreeding should remain a crime.
-Libertarian.

Oh, you're libertarian? Oh man, that explains so much about you.

GloriousZote の投稿を引用：

permanent name の投稿を引用：

wait why are you all against incest again?

look let me just present a few simple points.

1. it's hot.

1: True

Oh, the guy who's anti-woke also openly shares his questionable fetishes? Colour me surprised...not.

[Tex]

Incest is a crime against nature, even in the wild.

[ZZZZZ]

Tex の投稿を引用：

Incest is a crime against nature, even in the wild.

I mean staying single is also a crime against nature

[Adversary]

Tex の投稿を引用：

Incest is a crime against nature, even in the wild.

Hence why it is a taboo across multiple cultures throughout history. Even without an understanding of the biological sciences, primitive man understood that inbreeding was unhelpful for the continued survival of the species.

Course there are certain segments of the population that are so abhorrently inbred that the laundry list of genetic conditions they experience could be construed as being a mile long. Most notably that one demographic who is descended from the same ten Canaanite women and also the Whitakers of Appalachia. And don't even get me started on the monarchy of jolly old England.

Especially after last night. I like chip butty as much as the next bloke but come on, don't send it through the post. That is something I would like to forget if I were the kind of person who didn't do that enough already.

What were we talking about?

[Morkonan]

SmudgyRotter の投稿を引用：

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Anyway, what do you think?
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Honestly?

watithink...

It's edgelord pop-culture anime memery.


EVERY human culture has "incest laws." Each cuiture defines the conditions for illegal marriage/etc and they may differ, wildly. But, they all have something that prevents/punishes illegal/unethical/etc familial relationships.

So, should it be "illegal?"

Yes.

BUT... there are certainly conditions that vary and may not include actual prosecution of an incestuous act, just prevent any formal recognition of a potentially procreating.. coupling.

So, innocent adolescent experimentation/exploration, which is not uncommon, wouldn't be grounds for jail-time outside of already defined statutes. (Abuse laws) And, even adult relationships may not be prosecuted as the only "victim" would be society's outrage. (Which is still a reason for many other sorts of convictions.) But, most Western societies, AFAIK, have laws that would prevent close relatives from being issued a Marriage Certificate to be "Legally Married."

For "inbred" reasoning, it'd likely take a bit more than just one couple to start that process without specific genetic issues. But, it's still a reason used by many. Without testing, it'd still be a significant enough risk of those other issues.


To sum: Yes, and it seems to be one of the few "Universal Mores" of human culture if there was such a viable list

[Tonepoet]

Ickiness isn't really a reason to outlaw something if you don't have to participate it, so there are only a couple of objective moral grounds that might justify such a law.

The first is the risk of genetic defect. One of the things that must be noted is that even if neither of the participants plan to have children, most birth control methods have a failure rate, and something which has incredibly low odds of happening will happen in a large enough population. Even vasectomy and tubal litigation have failure rates ordering somewhere around 1 in 1000 or 2000, because some surviving residual fertile cells might have made it past the point of incision. A child that is born with a genetic defect as the result of consensual incest is somewhat of a victim, and if these people had chosen genetically diverse partners instead this outcome could be averted.

However, the results of Obegefell vs. Hodges (legalizing homosexual marriage) suggests that reproductive concerns are an inadequate grounds of discrimination when it comes to the matter of marriage, so as long as that ruling stands I am inclined to say no on these grounds.

The second is the family power dynamic rendering the consent questionable. However, any familial power dynamics that would prevent a person from reporting outright rape or sexual assault would likely remain in effect regardless of whether or not incest is illegal. That means the law effectively protects nobody. It may even do more harm than good, because the victim is just as guilty of incest as the perpetrator, and granting indemnification to the first reporter can potentially be abused by the assailant.

Moreover, there are jurisdictions in the world where incest is legal, or at least was legal up until recently. France is an example of a country where incest is or was legal[inews.co.uk], although they started making moves to ban it just last year. Similarly there is no federal law against incest in the U.S.A., since sexual matters are usually considered outside of the federal government's preview, all of the bans are state level laws, and two U.S. states have no laws on the books against incest. No, as much as people like to joke, one of them is not Alabama. There are some real ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in New Jersy and Rhode Island though.

So as things stand I'm inclined to say no really. It's really nobody's business if it's consensual, and the penalty is likely a greater evil than the actual crime.

[Groogo]

I find it humorous that after all of the "inbred" jokes that the woke have leveled at country folks over the years that they have now swung around to advocating for inbreeding and they think that it is hot. Porn is doing it's job influencing some of it's users. Whatever the oligarchs want, they can produce enough propaganda to sway it their way. Legalized pedophilia is likely their main goal and it's probably only a few more years, maybe a decade before that campaign fulfills it's purpose.

[Lupa]

Groogo の投稿を引用：

I find it humorous that after all of the "inbred" jokes that the woke have leveled at country folks over the years that they have now swung around to advocating for inbreeding and they think that it is hot. Porn is doing it's job influencing some of it's users. Whatever the oligarchs want, they can produce enough propaganda to sway it their way. Legalized pedophilia is likely their main goal and it's probably only a few more years, maybe a decade before that campaign fulfills it's purpose.

Funny how "woke" just means "city-folk" now.

[Groogo]

Lupa の投稿を引用：

Groogo の投稿を引用：

I find it humorous that after all of the "inbred" jokes that the woke have leveled at country folks over the years that they have now swung around to advocating for inbreeding and they think that it is hot. Porn is doing it's job influencing some of it's users. Whatever the oligarchs want, they can produce enough propaganda to sway it their way. Legalized pedophilia is likely their main goal and it's probably only a few more years, maybe a decade before that campaign fulfills it's purpose.

Funny how "woke" just means "city-folk" now.

That's not what I said, is that your opinion?

[Lupa]

Groogo の投稿を引用：

Lupa の投稿を引用：

Funny how "woke" just means "city-folk" now.

That's not what I said, is that your opinion?

Same sentence I've been hearing my whole life just replaced city folk with woke. Find it funny being a country folk myself.

[Groogo]

Lupa の投稿を引用：

Groogo の投稿を引用：

That's not what I said, is that your opinion?

Same sentence I've been hearing my whole life just replaced city folk with woke. Find it funny being a country folk myself.

Woke use their beliefs to be mean and cruel to others and then try and armor themselves with what they consider to be superior moral standing as an excuse for their hatred of those with whom they disagree. I don't think that it matters where they come from.

[Lupa]

Groogo の投稿を引用：

Lupa の投稿を引用：

Same sentence I've been hearing my whole life just replaced city folk with woke. Find it funny being a country folk myself.

Woke use their beliefs to be mean and cruel to others and then try and armor themselves with what they consider to be superior moral standing as an excuse for their hatred of those with whom they disagree. I don't think that it matters where they come from.

So you are sleepy then?

[Thadeus]

ZZZZZ の投稿を引用：

Thadeus の投稿を引用：

It's frowned upon because any children resulted from incest are likely to be...defective in some way, meaning their life will be horrible AND they will be a burden on society as well.

means a woman who cant give birth should be allowed?

Incest is not illegal. So sure.

[permanent name]

Sidakte の投稿を引用：

permanent name の投稿を引用：

2. see above, it takes real effort psychologically to press through the degeneration barrier, and there's few reasons to do so. taboo building is likely a factor in encouraging degeneration.
3. it's common anywhere it isn't expressly forbidden, and royalty often forbid common incest in order to limit middle class growth potential of, say, hemophilia-resistant dynasties.
4. okay but it still happened, regardless of whether you ascribe religious assocaitions to it or not. There comes a point where ♥♥♥♥-sapien-proteus is genetically incompatiable with anything but its offspring.
5. incest doesn't always produce kids.

2. upon which degeneration barrier we will find ourselves sooner rather than much much later if incest becomes legalized and normalized through the legality of it. i would argue that the taboo was merely a social safety mechanism to avoid incest at all costs, besides our very own hardwired safety mechanisms that prevent us from feeling attraction to our own family members.
3. i wouldn't say it's that common tbh. it can be a fetish for some. but without the kink shaming aspect on it on which a couple may roleplay for instance, it has real historical and scientific grounds to be forbidden beyond roleplaying. but as far as royalty goes we could say that it consisted a form of eugenics, to which i also disagree.
4. if we go that much back yes ♥♥♥♥ sapiens is genetically incompatible with anything but their own family bloodline. but that doesn't mean that we must act on it now thousands of years since that time. we overcame incest for a reason.
5. doesn't always produce kids but we can't leave out the error factor. errors will be made. children will be born accidentally. what will happen to them? just throw them away as a byproduct of humanitys particular enjoyments? not an argument against abortion. yes abortion is a choice. but then it stops being optional for the woman and it becomes enforced onto her if the fetus must go in order for her to live due to birth complications.

2. baseless assumption, sounds like a fantasy.
3. again, taking your own point for granted.
4. so you admit that humanity is capable of outbreeding incest, even in a societyless state where we experienced no centralized cooperative forces in our development. so this 'swirling drain' theory is again something people need to create just to fetishize their incest better.
5. Gay incest.

[Kobs]

Xero_Daxter の投稿を引用：

Kobs の投稿を引用：

Sex with in-laws count? like with your wife's sister? In my book it's just another stranger that you had a chance to know better

This sounds like some NTR Storyline right there.

If you don't know what NTR is then look it up.

I know what netorare is but is more fun than just cheating with a stranger occasionally. With someone you know and see often outside of sex (in-laws) is always exciting even when you see each other casually. You always think about it but you can't show it