Is consensual incest a crime? Should it be a crime, or not?

[SmudgyRotter]

Hey, I’ve seen too many political threads on here lately, so I want something interesting. I want answers mainly from liberals, leftists, democrats, etc. or whatever side that is considered hating other side, in this off topic; because I think that those people have very “interesting” moral concept or whatever. I wanna listen.

Anyway, what do you think?

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Автор сообщения: Xero_Daxter

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to some muricans even cousins count as incest

Some?

I indeed met americans who managed to use the term incest the correct way, while its rare it happens

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Автор сообщения: Sidakte

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wait why are you all against incest again?

look let me just present a few simple points.

1. it's hot.
2. it's largely harmless as long as you're aware of the genetic associations
3. it wasn't just Europe that was defined by incest
4. there's no version of adam and eve that doesn't lead to incest, and regardless of whether you believe in that story something similar happened.
5. birth control exists
6. it's hot without the taboo just not nearly as much

in summary yes but it's a moral crime. shouldn't be a legal one.

1. subjective.
2. genetic associations is the primary concern and then the moral ones.
3. indeed. it is exhibited in all royalty throughout history and across continents.
4. surely but the comments here refrained from the theological aspect of it. all comments on this thread stayed within scientific, moral and legal aspects without bringing god in the convo.
5. true but doesn't always work.
6. subjective.

2. see above, it takes real effort psychologically to press through the degeneration barrier, and there's few reasons to do so. taboo building is likely a factor in encouraging degeneration.
3. it's common anywhere it isn't expressly forbidden, and royalty often forbid common incest in order to limit middle class growth potential of, say, hemophilia-resistant dynasties.
4. okay but it still happened, regardless of whether you ascribe religious assocaitions to it or not. There comes a point where ♥♥♥♥-sapien-proteus is genetically incompatiable with anything but its offspring.
5. incest doesn't always produce kids.

[RRW359]

I think Stanford V. Texas means if it is a crime anywhere in the US it can't really be enforced.

[saranacX]

https://youtu.be/tJZqxmh0Zz0?si=XThEbRvQL3jydyKA

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Автор сообщения: RRW359

I think Stanford V. Texas means if it is a crime anywhere in the US it can't really be enforced.

The reality of the US criminal justice system is that enforcement is a product of power. There aren't very many places that this isn't true.

Many feel that power should be vested in the people, rather than the legal system necessarily.

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https://youtu.be/tJZqxmh0Zz0?si=XThEbRvQL3jydyKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjSshSvQWQA

[SmudgyRotter]

Автор сообщения: Sidakte

Автор сообщения: SmudgyRotter

Not really an attempt, it shows whatever it needed; but I was actually little serious about the incest topic though. At least for the other side, I already knew where their stance are, because you know, they are what they are, but on this side. It shows big hypocrisy. I mean, abortions, homosexuality, my body my choice, etc. Just all strange, twisted and hypocrisy, I mean, come on…

But whatever, everyone can read. I’m done.

i don't think it shows anything other than the fact that some people are against incest and some people are pro-incest. to me there are no sides, there are people, individuals. it is not a hypocrisy to be against incest and support homosexual relations, abortions and your body your choice.
like i mentioned many times in my previous comments, yes it IS your body and your choice.
but personally i do not condone incest. and the main reason i don't condone it is not because i don't want YOU as Smudgy to not have rights on your very own body but because scientifically speaking if we allow incest to run rampant we will have a genetic deficiency problem in 3-4 generations tops. there is no hypocrisy, consistency is across all comments from the people who are against it. much like the people who are for it.

Ok. Very last comment: hypocrisy lies where you want to draw a line in your own “degeneracy”, or “progressive”, or whatever that you are considered as.
So, it goes along with strange and twisted like I said earlier. Take time and think about that. It’s little like this: you are a thief, but you try to make excuses like you only steal, don’t hurt anyone, and you are still a good guy, your job is still a honest job.

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Автор сообщения: SmudgyRotter

Автор сообщения: Sidakte

i don't think it shows anything other than the fact that some people are against incest and some people are pro-incest. to me there are no sides, there are people, individuals. it is not a hypocrisy to be against incest and support homosexual relations, abortions and your body your choice.
like i mentioned many times in my previous comments, yes it IS your body and your choice.
but personally i do not condone incest. and the main reason i don't condone it is not because i don't want YOU as Smudgy to not have rights on your very own body but because scientifically speaking if we allow incest to run rampant we will have a genetic deficiency problem in 3-4 generations tops. there is no hypocrisy, consistency is across all comments from the people who are against it. much like the people who are for it.

Ok. Very last comment: hypocrisy lies where you want to draw a line in your own “degeneracy”, or “progressive”, or whatever that you are considered as.
So, it goes along with strange and twisted like I said earlier. Take time and think about that. It’s little like this: you are a thief, but you try to make excuses like you only steal, don’t hurt anyone, and you are still a good guy, your job is still a honest job.

Literally projection, you're describing a type and projecting it onto them as a rhetorical tactic.

Is it okay when you do it, or are you disloyal to yourself? Rhetorical food for thought.

[Doctor Opta]

They weren't joking when they said these forums were off topic

[Sidakte]

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Автор сообщения: Sidakte

1. subjective.
2. genetic associations is the primary concern and then the moral ones.
3. indeed. it is exhibited in all royalty throughout history and across continents.
4. surely but the comments here refrained from the theological aspect of it. all comments on this thread stayed within scientific, moral and legal aspects without bringing god in the convo.
5. true but doesn't always work.
6. subjective.

2. see above, it takes real effort psychologically to press through the degeneration barrier, and there's few reasons to do so. taboo building is likely a factor in encouraging degeneration.
3. it's common anywhere it isn't expressly forbidden, and royalty often forbid common incest in order to limit middle class growth potential of, say, hemophilia-resistant dynasties.
4. okay but it still happened, regardless of whether you ascribe religious assocaitions to it or not. There comes a point where ♥♥♥♥-sapien-proteus is genetically incompatiable with anything but its offspring.
5. incest doesn't always produce kids.

2. upon which degeneration barrier we will find ourselves sooner rather than much much later if incest becomes legalized and normalized through the legality of it. i would argue that the taboo was merely a social safety mechanism to avoid incest at all costs, besides our very own hardwired safety mechanisms that prevent us from feeling attraction to our own family members.
3. i wouldn't say it's that common tbh. it can be a fetish for some. but without the kink shaming aspect on it on which a couple may roleplay for instance, it has real historical and scientific grounds to be forbidden beyond roleplaying. but as far as royalty goes we could say that it consisted a form of eugenics, to which i also disagree.
4. if we go that much back yes ♥♥♥♥ sapiens is genetically incompatible with anything but their own family bloodline. but that doesn't mean that we must act on it now thousands of years since that time. we overcame incest for a reason.
5. doesn't always produce kids but we can't leave out the error factor. errors will be made. children will be born accidentally. what will happen to them? just throw them away as a byproduct of humanitys particular enjoyments? not an argument against abortion. yes abortion is a choice. but then it stops being optional for the woman and it becomes enforced onto her if the fetus must go in order for her to live due to birth complications.

[Sidakte]

Автор сообщения: SmudgyRotter

Автор сообщения: Sidakte

i don't think it shows anything other than the fact that some people are against incest and some people are pro-incest. to me there are no sides, there are people, individuals. it is not a hypocrisy to be against incest and support homosexual relations, abortions and your body your choice.
like i mentioned many times in my previous comments, yes it IS your body and your choice.
but personally i do not condone incest. and the main reason i don't condone it is not because i don't want YOU as Smudgy to not have rights on your very own body but because scientifically speaking if we allow incest to run rampant we will have a genetic deficiency problem in 3-4 generations tops. there is no hypocrisy, consistency is across all comments from the people who are against it. much like the people who are for it.

Ok. Very last comment: hypocrisy lies where you want to draw a line in your own “degeneracy”, or “progressive”, or whatever that you are considered as.
So, it goes along with strange and twisted like I said earlier. Take time and think about that. It’s little like this: you are a thief, but you try to make excuses like you only steal, don’t hurt anyone, and you are still a good guy, your job is still a honest job.

you can't possibly equate stealing with being against incest. i'm against stealing because it's not cool to steal what's not yours. i'm against incest because if we leave it unregulated it will result in very bad times three generations ahead (each generation is 30 years, 90 to 120 years ahead).
degeneracy as a word was only used to mark the genetic downfall. not as an insult and i hope you understand that. there is no hypocrisy anywhere on this thread. people are against incest with arguments varying from science to morality and people are for it. you want to go for it? go for it, i can't stop you. and i wouldn't want to stop you either from having fun with someone from your own family mate. like i said in my opening comments and there was a reason i said that, i am not trying to convince you. but you can't convince me either. we're not changing minds here bro, we're just discussing. nothing strange and nothing twisted at all imho in what i expressed.
the fact that im against incest doesn't make me a hypocrite for being pro abortion and pro homosexual relations even though i'm a straight guy. incest is not recognized and it's a crime but you do you, i can't stop you. i just believe that it must be illegal and for very good reasons too.

edit: and no, progressive doesn't equal i'll support whatever. legal incest is not progressive thinking imho

[Hobbit XIII]

I don't care as long as extra toes does not try to breed with me I'm cool with mental people living their mental lives.
I have to put up with these forums for example so why not people with extra toes?

[RRW359]

I'm not necessarily for incest being legal since it raises questions about grooming but it's interesting how many people here want it regulated because if it isn't everyone will bang their siblings. Reminds me of all the people who insist they aren't homosexual but claim if we accept them everyone would prefer to bang their same gender.

[Kobs]

Sex with in-laws count? like with your wife's sister? In my book it's just another stranger that you had a chance to know better

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Автор сообщения: Kobs

Sex with in-laws count? like with your wife's sister? In my book it's just another stranger that you had a chance to know better

per definition its only parent-kid and sibling-sibling