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Spirit 2023년 12월 24일 오전 1시 34분
why are modern games so woke
all new high budget games are woke. characters are often bland, everything is made carefully not to offend any twitter activists who don't play games anyway

but why do you think the devs care so much about opinions of the woke? do they get less funding or lose funds based on esg scores or something?

just look at characters in any modern high budget game. all bland
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Triple G 2023년 12월 24일 오후 12시 13분 
Chrisader님이 먼저 게시:
And you think the gaming industry isn't suffering with similar issues?...Thank goodness indie gaming companies exist, because they are the only reason the gaming industry hasn't fell into total bedlam.
The gaming industry is about mobile gaming, f2p, and micro transactions, and it makes more money than the movie and the music industry combined - by a large margin - and it´s growing.

It´s not that i think it - the data isn´t exactly kept a secret.

If You only look at PC full price gaming, which is kind of niche, it maybe different. And usually the complains about games being too woke, are from a minority, in a minority market...

And people who think that triple A is a mark for quality are perhaps in a minority as well, as i guess the common consensus is that triple A stands for games which are made to earn money nowadays - for the masses. Sell as much copies as possible, and don´t care for the game. Have good graphics, nice sounds effect and voice acting - simplify gameplay, create some hype about nothing, copy concepts of others - and that´s about it. Distract with some details on the worldmap, to distract from the actual gameplay. Don´t do anything innovative and new, because there are Indie devs, which You can either buy, or copy their work. So the risk is on them, not on You. The concept perhaps won´t work forever though. And that´s a far larger problem than some "woke" stuff in the games imho.
Lupa 2023년 12월 24일 오후 12시 19분 
How are you supposed to play a game sleepy?
Lokaror 2023년 12월 24일 오후 12시 56분 
GloriousZote님이 먼저 게시:
Lokaror님이 먼저 게시:

A woman protagonist. That's really what you are so upset about? Wait until you find out there's women criminals in real life.
I mean, I'd rather criminals don't exist.. don't you..?

What does that have to do with literally anything?

TimRaveler님이 먼저 게시:
Lokaror님이 먼저 게시:

A woman protagonist. That's really what you are so upset about? Wait until you find out there's women criminals in real life.
There are ? I didn't know that.

Yeah. So whats the issue? You even said in your spiel that weak men and women get killed all the time in GTA. So do strong men and women. So why the particular hatred for possibly playing as a woman? Literally *What* is the issue here?
Valfossa 2023년 12월 25일 오전 4시 27분 
Triple G님이 먼저 게시:
Chrisader님이 먼저 게시:
And you think the gaming industry isn't suffering with similar issues?...Thank goodness indie gaming companies exist, because they are the only reason the gaming industry hasn't fell into total bedlam.
The gaming industry is about mobile gaming, f2p, and micro transactions, and it makes more money than the movie and the music industry combined - by a large margin - and it´s growing.

It´s not that i think it - the data isn´t exactly kept a secret.

If You only look at PC full price gaming, which is kind of niche, it maybe different. And usually the complains about games being too woke, are from a minority, in a minority market...

And people who think that triple A is a mark for quality are perhaps in a minority as well, as i guess the common consensus is that triple A stands for games which are made to earn money nowadays - for the masses. Sell as much copies as possible, and don´t care for the game. Have good graphics, nice sounds effect and voice acting - simplify gameplay, create some hype about nothing, copy concepts of others - and that´s about it. Distract with some details on the worldmap, to distract from the actual gameplay. Don´t do anything innovative and new, because there are Indie devs, which You can either buy, or copy their work. So the risk is on them, not on You. The concept perhaps won´t work forever though. And that´s a far larger problem than some "woke" stuff in the games imho.
And woke is as you say a problem, no matter how small you think it is, it is another problem on top of the other problems.

Should it not be acknowledge as an issue?

Oh my boring barely intractable "game", also has a terrible brow beating story, with bad characters and writing, even though that's pretty much the main aspect of this "game". Especially since it's not the gameplay that's keeping your attention.

Yeah no thanks.
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Fuwapuru 2023년 12월 25일 오전 4시 57분 
TimRaveler님이 먼저 게시:
Best we can do is not buy this trash. But we haven't been buying woke trash but more and more games are becoming woke anyway. Look what happened to GTA 6 ... a woman protagonist in a video game that focus on the hardcore sociopathic criminals where even the former badass like Johnny meets a bitter end because of a single weakness. Even Trevor is at the mercy of the player. Weak men and women have no place in that world infact it is actually for that 1% criminal extraordinaire who make it to the end but Equality must prevail because the commies believe so.

Boo!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/460790/Bayonetta/
Scorpion 2023년 12월 25일 오전 5시 06분 
One of the reasons retro and neo-retro gaming is thriving. "They don't make them like they used to", period.
Mr. Tex 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 39분 
Because Western triple-A developers and publishers have no clue about who their audience is anymore, they just follow the advice of "diversity consultants" instead of doing actual marketing research.

If they don't make the game woke:
- their game will be boycotted by the mainstream media
- the dev team will be bullied and harassed by the mainstream media
- the mainstream media will invent lies to blackmail the developers or publishers

The Western triple-A industry deserves a collapse. It's not worth saving.

If the game is not woke, we get half-finished games for $100 that will be OK two years later, or big empty pointless spaces to do repetitive boring stuff in.
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Xero_Daxter 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 41분 
They should make a World War 2 Video Game but you're playing on the German side.
grizzlyyy 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 44분 
Because companies are willing to monopolize mental illness.
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Lupa 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 44분 
Miyazakikara님이 먼저 게시:
TimRaveler님이 먼저 게시:
Best we can do is not buy this trash. But we haven't been buying woke trash but more and more games are becoming woke anyway. Look what happened to GTA 6 ... a woman protagonist in a video game that focus on the hardcore sociopathic criminals where even the former badass like Johnny meets a bitter end because of a single weakness. Even Trevor is at the mercy of the player. Weak men and women have no place in that world infact it is actually for that 1% criminal extraordinaire who make it to the end but Equality must prevail because the commies believe so.

Boo!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/460790/Bayonetta/
Oh hell yea :CultMoon:
MinionJoe 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 46분 
Lupa님이 먼저 게시:
Miyazakikara님이 먼저 게시:

Boo!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/460790/Bayonetta/
Oh hell yea :CultMoon:
Congratuations.

You've just been cancelled.

https://www.polygon.com/reviews/23421409/bayonetta-3-review-platinumgames-nintendo-switch
Lupa 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 52분 
MinionJoe님이 먼저 게시:
Lupa님이 먼저 게시:
Oh hell yea :CultMoon:
Congratuations.

You've just been cancelled.

https://www.polygon.com/reviews/23421409/bayonetta-3-review-platinumgames-nintendo-switch
This is the first game, not a third one.
ZZZZZ 2023년 12월 27일 오후 1시 56분 
Mr. Tex님이 먼저 게시:
Because Western triple-A developers and publishers have no clue about who their audience is anymore, they just follow the advice of "diversity consultants" instead of doing actual marketing research.

If they don't make the game woke:
- their game will be boycotted by the mainstream media
- the dev team will be bullied and harassed by the mainstream media
- the mainstream media will invent lies to blackmail the developers or publishers

The Western triple-A industry deserves a collapse. It's not worth saving.

If the game is not woke, we get half-finished games for $100 that will be OK two years later, or big empty pointless spaces to do repetitive boring stuff in.
or maybe the wrong people see themself as audience.. if I would make a gay game I would want it to be enjoyed by people who accept the game the way it is, I wouldnt make it for conservative religious 50year olds
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HypersleepyNaputunia 2023년 12월 27일 오후 3시 02분 
It's the wef esg score I think it's called. Woke companies get rewarded and nonwoke get ignored or punished

It's like social credit for a company
Lupa 2023년 12월 27일 오후 3시 03분 
y'all say woke and non-woke like it means anything :lunar2019crylaughingpig:
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