Rockstar Hacker sentenced to Life in Asylum.

[kilésengati]

The apparent lead hacker behind the infamous GTA VI leak effectively got sentenced to life in prison asylum (euphemistically dubbed "indefinite hospital order" to be sent to a "prison hospital"), after being found highly motivated to commit cyber-crime again. I suppose that means at least half of our elites should be sent to an asylum as well?
Another spicy detail: The hacker has been diagnosed with autism. I suppose hacking is his special interest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67663128

His companion, who according to the article is also on the hook for allegedly stalking twowomen, "only" gets 18 months of youth detention. What the actual ♥♥♥♥. He gets locked in an asylum loony murderers and such for life, because he is disabled, but his partner in crime can look forward to be released rather sooner than later. He gets treated like a second-class citizen, solely because he got born with a disability. Just, wow! The UK legal system has reached a new low.

I think it's fair to say he'll get drugged-up, physically abused and the keys thrown away. There are definitely more productive ways to steer his special interest, but I suppose this was the easy route for the authorities.
Yeah, he did bad ♥♥♥♥, and there needs to be a sentence for this, but this is straight up abuse of the disabled and has nothing to do with a just legal system. He didn't even physically hurt anyone.
I totally get why the 'Muricans threw a tea party.

Needless to say, given this cruel punishment, I won't buy any games from Rockstar anymore. Neither will I buy cards from Nvidia. Found their GPUs work crap with Linux anyway, due to their proprietary drivers.

What do you think about the sentence? Please keep it civil.

[kilésengati]

Holy carp, there's another page of almost fifty responses. Thankfully I woke up early today. :D

引用自 ratpuke：

guy just sounds like the average autist to me. if committing spergs is becoming a policy let's have the chandler next

Quite a scary prospect for everyone with a mental disability living in the UK. Imagine smashing something during a breakdown or out of sheer stupity: "Indefinite hospital order"!!

引用自 LQIM：

L33t haxors in America:
> hack the gubermint
> 5 years federal prison
> gubermint hires you for cybersec job
> free pension

L33t haxors in the UK:
> hack random game studio with Amazon TV stick
> life in insane asylum

Why couldn't they just hire him to hack people professionally. He'd fit right in with whatever APT the UK is running

Exactly!

Was probably easier to just have him rot. But who knows, maybe that's GCHQ's normal recruitment tactics for such cases, in which case I'm not surprised they have to rely on the NSA that much. Not that the BND would be much be much better at this. ;P

引用自 Irene ❤：

Haha.. the article revealed so many truths. :erune:

First off it's not "life prison sentence", it is "Secure hospital lifetime package". It means if the person improved in health, they can leave the mental hospital. It can be few weeks, months or year.

In case you don't know about the mentally challenged people, the experience is scary. For example your work colleague can open PowerPoint and write text to talk to himself. Or just scream uncontrollably during a presentation. Or at night time just taking scissors to sab a relative for no reason. They determine the hacker is someone with such an issue. Probably caused by loneliness.

Next, the other teenager who is given a few months. This other hacker is cuteness overload because he was like "ok I got your data. give me 5 million". "or I'll tell the world these people buy your products" "Or I'll delete these data". He doesn't know companies have data servers, backup tapes. Giving him few months is already cruel but they need to send a message that hacking in the country cannot be tolerated.

Now for the "normal" adults. : P The story editor wants it to be a crazy sell, so they used GTA6 and Lifetime Jail as headline. Nvidia, rockstar and other companies hacked claim they lost 5 million and more. Why is there 5m in damage when a teenager obtain some of your unfinished game files or client purchase history? It's just greed to ask for money. Compared to the teenage hackers the adults are more greedy and demanding. They are all milking as hard as they can from the teenagers' mistake.

I think you have a overly positive outlook on this situation and missed what the prison asylums are for. Forensic psychiatries might be everything, but they are definitely not for rehabilitation - not in the positive sense anyway. He's now at the wimps of someone who has absolutely no issue drugging people against their will with drugs that cause lasting damage, just to make them shut up. A fair bunch of people working in these prison asylums are little Mengeles.
It's fair do call an "indefinite hospital order" a life sentence, given the implications and indefinite nature. Everything else is just false hopes.

Projecting someone else's situation on this situation is also not gonna fly with me either.

I agree on the rest though.

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

Some agency will get him out later and employ him to do cyber security.

:winterbunny2023:

That being the most positive outcome is quite sickening still.

[Goldias]

引用自 kilésengati：

See response above.

I think at best the doc will think he's up for release after he was chemically lobotomised, because the drugs they give these inmates to keep them from going nuts in a situation were everyone but absolutely calculating psychopaths would go nuts do just that.
In practice, it's a death sentence. These facilities don't exist for rehabilitation, they only exist for institutionalisation.

Well, if you don't believe in their rehabilitation purpose then it's harsh only in your mind. I don't see anything wrong putting mentally ill guy in an asylum, which is what the court think he is.

For me, asylum is not equal to death sentence, so it's not harsher than sending him to prison. I don't even believe they are as bad as you think they are. Not that I have any experience myself though.

They must have some kind of evidence that show signs of mental illness to send him there. I don't believe Rockstar or any other corps would even consider bribery or do anything just to kill the guy. Not really worth the effort.

[Birds]

引用自 Goldias：

引用自 kilésengati：

See response above.

I think at best the doc will think he's up for release after he was chemically lobotomised, because the drugs they give these inmates to keep them from going nuts in a situation were everyone but absolutely calculating psychopaths would go nuts do just that.
In practice, it's a death sentence. These facilities don't exist for rehabilitation, they only exist for institutionalisation.

Well, if you don't believe in their rehabilitation purpose then it's harsh only in your mind. I don't see anything wrong putting mentally ill guy in an asylum, which is what the court think he is.

For me, asylum is not equal to death sentence, so it's not harsher than sending him to prison. I don't even believe they are as bad as you think they are. Not that I have any experience myself though.

They must have some kind of evidence that show signs of mental illness to send him there. I don't believe Rockstar or any other corps would even consider bribery or do anything just to kill the guy. Not really worth the effort.

You're just arguing that the real issue is that he's a criminal, and the courts are infalliably just in putting him there. And like, "no harm done lololol" basically.

Did you even read what he wrote, or are you just substituting your own explanation as a response apropos of the vague topic he's typing?

[Magic A. I.]

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

引用自 Magic A. I.：

Only in the movies.

Jeff Moss, who founded the Black Hat and DEF CON computer hacker conferences, has worked as a consultant for different administrations.

He was ICANN Chief Security Officer in the Obama administration. Moss is now a member of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency’s advisory council.

Mr. Moss ran a bulletin board for hackers in the 1980s.

Barrett Brown - hired by the F.B.I.

A few other notables...

https://www.pcmag.com/news/7-hackers-who-got-legit-jobs-from-their-exploits

In fact, the movies tend to copy real life.

:winterbunny2023:

Thank you for providing evidence. You seem to be right about the US.

[kilésengati]

引用自 Goldias：

引用自 kilésengati：

See response above.

I think at best the doc will think he's up for release after he was chemically lobotomised, because the drugs they give these inmates to keep them from going nuts in a situation were everyone but absolutely calculating psychopaths would go nuts do just that.
In practice, it's a death sentence. These facilities don't exist for rehabilitation, they only exist for institutionalisation.

Well, if you don't believe in their rehabilitation purpose then it's harsh only in your mind. I don't see anything wrong putting mentally ill guy in an asylum, which is what the court think he is.

For me, asylum is not equal to death sentence, so it's not harsher than sending him to prison. I don't even believe they are as bad as you think they are. Not that I have any experience myself though.

They must have some kind of evidence that show signs of mental illness to send him there. I don't believe Rockstar or any other corps would even consider bribery or do anything just to kill the guy. Not really worth the effort.

The "evidence" of mental illness they seem to have is his diagnosis with autism, which isn't a curable illness, but a disability you are born with and have for life. The desire to be a career criminal isn't a mental illness, else they'd have to lock up at least half of Parliament.

It's clearly an excuse to throw him in the oubliette, else they'd give him due process and a prospect of rehabilitation.

Again, not having an issue that he gets sentenced, just the circumstances, implications and relative scope of the sentence.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

In this country, if the government puts you on psych meds and you do not take them and your disorder is that of schizophrenia, they can legally put you into the asylum without any questions asked.

[Goldias]

引用自 Birds：

You're just arguing that the real issue is that he's a criminal, and the courts are infalliably just in putting him there. And like, "no harm done lololol" basically.

Did you even read what he wrote, or are you just substituting your own explanation as a response apropos of the vague topic he's typing?

- A smart mouth, insufferable criminal that openly admit that He will commit crime again, given the chance.

- Already read it before typing first comment, but given my limited intelligence, and very different moral standards compare to most people here, I may have post stupid opinion. I'll try to limit myself to a more simple matters next time.

[kilésengati]

引用自 Wynters：

In this country, if the government puts you on psych meds and you do not take them and your disorder is that of schizophrenia, they can legally put you into the asylum without any questions asked.

That unfortunately seems plausible.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 Magic A. I.：

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

Jeff Moss, who founded the Black Hat and DEF CON computer hacker conferences, has worked as a consultant for different administrations.

He was ICANN Chief Security Officer in the Obama administration. Moss is now a member of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency’s advisory council.

Mr. Moss ran a bulletin board for hackers in the 1980s.

Barrett Brown - hired by the F.B.I.

A few other notables...

https://www.pcmag.com/news/7-hackers-who-got-legit-jobs-from-their-exploits

In fact, the movies tend to copy real life.

Thank you for providing evidence. You seem to be right about the US.

Not just the US it's a global industry...

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-11-05/inside-the-global-hack-for-hire-industry

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/kpmg-big-companies-should-hire-hackers

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/growth-of-hackers-for-hire-will-lead-to-more-attacks-and-unpredictable-threats-uk-cyber-security-agency-warns-12861182

https://www.enisa.europa.eu/news/enisa-news/hackers-for-hire-drive-the-evolution-of-the-new-enisa-threat-landscape

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/technology/china-hackers.html

[Birds]

引用自 Goldias：

引用自 Birds：

You're just arguing that the real issue is that he's a criminal, and the courts are infalliably just in putting him there. And like, "no harm done lololol" basically.

Did you even read what he wrote, or are you just substituting your own explanation as a response apropos of the vague topic he's typing?

- A smart mouth, insufferable criminal that openly admit that He will commit crime again, given the chance.

- Already read it before typing first comment, but given my limited intelligence, and very different moral standards compare to most people here, I may have post stupid opinion. I'll try to limit myself to a more simple matters next time.

If they meant that he'd be in a real prison, not an asylum for royals and bastards who are Too Important to face real punishment in the first place, and instead need to be psychologically tortured until they fall in line.

usually because they weren't even the people actually responsible it's an utlimately pointless exercise in blame shifting and authoritarian reprogramming for victims of the establishment.

you can pretend to be dumb if you want.

how hard do you think it is to coach an autist to incriminate themselves, if they think it's for the best?

[Magic A. I.]

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

引用自 Magic A. I.：

Thank you for providing evidence. You seem to be right about the US.

Not just the US it's a global industry...

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-11-05/inside-the-global-hack-for-hire-industry

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/kpmg-big-companies-should-hire-hackers

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/growth-of-hackers-for-hire-will-lead-to-more-attacks-and-unpredictable-threats-uk-cyber-security-agency-warns-12861182

https://www.enisa.europa.eu/news/enisa-news/hackers-for-hire-drive-the-evolution-of-the-new-enisa-threat-landscape

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/technology/china-hackers.html

:winterbunny2023:

Are there any factual cases described in these links? I mean, names, dates and prison locations. Remember that this particular discussion started from the statement that hackers are recruited from prisons, which was the largest point of doubt to me. Governments hiring hackers part was never disputed.

[Birds]

They offer deals before they go in the tank, then they offer them more deals every 6 months or so while they're in.

If you take the first deal you get to keep your voting rights, nominally.

If you're a hump for your mandatory service period they economically discriminate against you to draw you back into working for them.

Hackers can't usually pass drug tests so the FBI works with intermediary companies who are responsible for them, and also not officially a part of the law enforcement establishment save through extremely vague deputization of the hackers themselves so that they have legal permission to do their work.

More often than not they wind up administrating pedo honeypots, which the FBI spits out like candy for SOME REASON.

[Magic A. I.]

引用自 Birds：

They offer deals before they go in the tank, then they offer them more deals every 6 months or so while they're in.

If you take the first deal you get to keep your voting rights, nominally.

If you're a hump for your mandatory service period they economically discriminate against you to draw you back into working for them.

And you know it how? I don't mean that you are necessarily wrong, I just want you to start backing your statements with evidence.

[Birds]

引用自 Magic A. I.：

引用自 Birds：

They offer deals before they go in the tank, then they offer them more deals every 6 months or so while they're in.

If you take the first deal you get to keep your voting rights, nominally.

If you're a hump for your mandatory service period they economically discriminate against you to draw you back into working for them.

And you know it how? I don't mean that you are necessarily wrong, I just want you to start backing your statements with evidence.

Went to college with someone who wound up working for one of those intermediary companies in management.

Mostly statements from hackers themselves, as relayed through various news outlets.

I don't have the articles on hand, and the hackers I'm thinking of were anonymous.

If you want to overfocus the point to simply 'direct jail recruitment' that's one thing, but at this point it comes across as pumping me for information and links you can delete to keep hackers in the dark and manipulable.

You're warbling back and forth on points in a way designed to draw maximum information out, which is what makes me suspect this.

[Magic A. I.]

引用自 Birds：

引用自 Magic A. I.：

And you know it how? I don't mean that you are necessarily wrong, I just want you to start backing your statements with evidence.

Went to college with someone who wound up working for one of those intermediary companies in management.

Mostly statements from hackers themselves, as relayed through various news outlets.

I don't have the articles on hand, and the hackers I'm thinking of were anonymous.

If you want to overfocus the point to simply 'direct jail recruitment' that's one thing, but at this point it comes across as pumping me for information and links you can delete to keep hackers in the dark and manipulable.

You're warbling back and forth on points in a way designed to draw maximum information out, which is what makes me suspect this.

This sounds more like a movie inspired paranoia than anything else, tbh. But let's say this is the truth. In that case you are making a mockery out of it by presenting it without evidence.