The Post Harris/Walz 2024 thread

[Holografix]

"Somehow Palpatine returned"

For 'reasons,' maga republicans chose to write the next chapter of american political history by aping the plot device of the worst of the Star Wars films.

*Donald Trump is a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.

[Dracoco OwO]

So let's recap, John Binladen dropped campaign and they put a Hyena for democrat lead with another noname vice president and peoples actually expect her to win? I mean vs Trump it is very much a 50/50 still but i think they won't vote for her because she's a woman, like actually.

[Cee]

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

This is in contrast of Trumps new tariff plan that wants 10-20% blanket tariffs for ALL imports into the US, and 60%+ tariffs for all imports from China.

If this doesnt alarm you I truly dont know how to put it in terms that will. My company will now pay around 35%+ more for specifically steel pieces we need under Trumps plan, this doesnt even include other things we order like Tungsten electrodes, which will now be 60% more expensive. HOW IS THIS FRIENDLY OR HELPFUL FOR SMALL BUSINESS?? Im seriously spooked by his awful ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tariff plan.

yea it's just a (white) nationalist ideology trying to combat a global economy -- it really won't work without hurting the nation trying to install the tariffs.

this in combination with "deporting illegal immigrants" (and now even legal immigrants: https://x.com/LibbeyDean_/status/1841650527219941768) would make the United States of America ♥♥♥♥ the bed economically.

[Cee]

a smaller nation of less importance might get away with tariffs, but not the one at the global economic leadership position. that's, literally, just, stupid.

[Quillithe]

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

I would like to note that the tariff plan that Trump is proposing is radically different then the tariffs currently imposed (some carried over from Trumps term) by the Biden administration. The current tariffs against China are selective, going after certain markets like microchips, solar panels, and EV cars to name a few, in an effort to boost US production on those key industries. This is in contrast of Trumps new tariff plan that wants 10-20% blanket tariffs for ALL imports into the US, and 60%+ tariffs for all imports from China.

If this doesnt alarm you I truly dont know how to put it in terms that will. The company I work for imports parts from around the world and puts them together in the US. We HAVE to source parts from varied places, because availability is almost always a problem, and some places will have an order we need while others dont. We sometimes order from US based companies, but they can also take months for an order, so we NEED to import parts. A fair chunk of parts come from China, its good quality and we get a good deal. My company will now pay around 35%+ more for specifically steel pieces we need under Trumps plan, this doesnt even include other things we order like Tungsten electrodes, which will now be 60% more expensive. HOW IS THIS FRIENDLY OR HELPFUL FOR SMALL BUSINESS?? Im seriously spooked by his awful ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tariff plan.

Yup it's a huge plan to spike prices and trash the economy and he can't defend it and he CAN implement it unlike most proposals that Congress will just stop.


Between that and his planned deportations, aka 'spend billions of dollars to cause a labor shortage' - it's absolutely a ♥♥♥♥ economic plan and not a single person seems to offer any explanation otherwise as seen here.

[76561199572171423]

This Trump Presidency ia sounding better and better. MAGA 2024 baby!

[Cee]

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

IMy company will now pay around 35%+ more for specifically steel pieces we need under Trumps plan, this doesnt even include other things we order like Tungsten electrodes, which will now be 60% more expensive. HOW IS THIS FRIENDLY OR HELPFUL FOR SMALL BUSINESS?? Im seriously spooked by his awful ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tariff plan.

Yup it's a huge plan to spike prices and trash the economy and he can't defend it and he CAN implement it unlike most proposals that Congress will just stop.

Between that and his planned deportations, aka 'spend billions of dollars to cause a labor shortage' - it's absolutely a ♥♥♥♥ economic plan and not a single person seems to offer any explanation otherwise as seen here.

There isn't really any explanation -- it's just to try and trash the USA while making it into a fascist dictatorial nation. Miiiiight be the play if you're for example Russia or China trying to become the 'new strongest nation'.

[Quillithe]

Postat inițial de Muse:

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

This is in contrast of Trumps new tariff plan that wants 10-20% blanket tariffs for ALL imports into the US, and 60%+ tariffs for all imports from China.

If this doesnt alarm you I truly dont know how to put it in terms that will. My company will now pay around 35%+ more for specifically steel pieces we need under Trumps plan, this doesnt even include other things we order like Tungsten electrodes, which will now be 60% more expensive. HOW IS THIS FRIENDLY OR HELPFUL FOR SMALL BUSINESS?? Im seriously spooked by his awful ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tariff plan.

yea it's just a (white) nationalist ideology trying to combat a global economy -- it really won't work without hurting the nation trying to install the tariffs.

this in combination with "deporting illegal immigrants" (and now even legal immigrants: https://x.com/LibbeyDean_/status/1841650527219941768) would make the United States of America ♥♥♥♥ the bed economically.

I think the idea is some sort of 'bring manufacturing jobs back' that people love to talk about to appeal to a few swing states.

Never mind that making every product substantially more expensive for everyone and damaging the economy is probably not the best way to produce a few not particularly great manufacturing jobs that have less median pay than jobs in general in the US. And unemployment is pretty low already anyway.

[Pronnu]

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

Postat inițial de Muse:

yea it's just a (white) nationalist ideology trying to combat a global economy -- it really won't work without hurting the nation trying to install the tariffs.

this in combination with "deporting illegal immigrants" (and now even legal immigrants: https://x.com/LibbeyDean_/status/1841650527219941768) would make the United States of America ♥♥♥♥ the bed economically.

I think the idea is some sort of 'bring manufacturing jobs back' that people love to talk about to appeal to a few swing states.

Never mind that making every product substantially more expensive for everyone and damaging the economy is probably not the best way to produce a few not particularly great manufacturing jobs that have less median pay than jobs in general in the US. And unemployment is pretty low already anyway.

Manufacturing jobs pay better and have better prestige than the fast food jobs that leftists love to harp on about giving to all the poors.

[Cee]

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

Postat inițial de Muse:

this in combination with "deporting illegal immigrants" (and now even legal immigrants: https://x.com/LibbeyDean_/status/1841650527219941768) would make the United States of America ♥♥♥♥ the bed economically.

I think the idea is some sort of 'bring manufacturing jobs back' that people love to talk about to appeal to a few swing states.

Never mind that making every product substantially more expensive for everyone and damaging the economy is probably not the best way to produce a few not particularly great manufacturing jobs that have less median pay than jobs in general in the US. And unemployment is pretty low already anyway.

I think there's a *really* fair argument to be made about not outsourcing, or at least increasing manufacturing in the country (without tariffs, of course).

Once jobs go to other countries for cheaper, then the people who work at those low income factories can't really do anything about it: the workers are voting in a country where the company doesn't reside at, apart from the factory

So for example if an Indian worker (or a Chinese worker to a lesser extent these days) wants to increase taxes for better social safety nets, or get better working conditions, then their vote doesn't directly influence that company 10 thousand miles away.

It basically just makes companies have to put in less effort, be under less risk, for greater reward. You can just abuse the laws of that 3rd world nation to pay much less while not putting yourself at the risk of being under the magnifying glass of a voter.

[Pronnu]

Postat inițial de Muse:

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

I think the idea is some sort of 'bring manufacturing jobs back' that people love to talk about to appeal to a few swing states.

Never mind that making every product substantially more expensive for everyone and damaging the economy is probably not the best way to produce a few not particularly great manufacturing jobs that have less median pay than jobs in general in the US. And unemployment is pretty low already anyway.

I think there's a *really* fair argument to be made about not outsourcing, or at least increasing manufacturing in the country (without tariffs, of course).

Once jobs go to other countries for cheaper, then the people who work at those low income factories can't really do anything about it: the workers are voting in a country where the company doesn't reside at, apart from the factory

So for example if an Indian worker (or a Chinese worker to a lesser extent these days) wants to increase taxes for better social safety nets, or get better working conditions, then their vote doesn't directly influence that company 10 thousand miles away.

It basically just makes companies have to put in less effort, be under less risk, for greater reward. You can just abuse the laws of that 3rd world nation to pay much less while not putting yourself at the risk of being under the magnifying glass of a voter.

Without tariffs you will never compete with Chinese manufacturing because Chinese manufacturing has insanely cheap labor costs.
So unless you incentivize your local companies to spend money on locally-sourced products, you're basically never going to get any kind of manufacturing base off the ground.

[Jimmy With An E]

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Postat inițial de Quillithe:

I think the idea is some sort of 'bring manufacturing jobs back' that people love to talk about to appeal to a few swing states.

Never mind that making every product substantially more expensive for everyone and damaging the economy is probably not the best way to produce a few not particularly great manufacturing jobs that have less median pay than jobs in general in the US. And unemployment is pretty low already anyway.

Manufacturing jobs pay better and have better prestige than the fast food jobs that leftists love to harp on about giving to all the poors.

A majority of them dont have this amazing pay or prestige like you are led to believe. I got lucky with my welding job and do have good pay, but thats not reality. Plenty of institutes love to flaunt how great paying the trades and manufacturing can be, but never mention that the high pay is a small percentage of the jobs and requires a high amount of practice and skill, and a majority of the jobs is using a grinder to finish a weld for 18$H. Its okay pay, you can argue that its better then fast food yea sure, but it seriously isnt this amazing field to get into. This doesnt even mention how toxic manufacturing work can be, or how toxic the work culture can be.

[Jimmy With An E]

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Postat inițial de Muse:

I think there's a *really* fair argument to be made about not outsourcing, or at least increasing manufacturing in the country (without tariffs, of course).

Once jobs go to other countries for cheaper, then the people who work at those low income factories can't really do anything about it: the workers are voting in a country where the company doesn't reside at, apart from the factory

So for example if an Indian worker (or a Chinese worker to a lesser extent these days) wants to increase taxes for better social safety nets, or get better working conditions, then their vote doesn't directly influence that company 10 thousand miles away.

It basically just makes companies have to put in less effort, be under less risk, for greater reward. You can just abuse the laws of that 3rd world nation to pay much less while not putting yourself at the risk of being under the magnifying glass of a voter.

Without tariffs you will never compete with Chinese manufacturing because Chinese manufacturing has insanely cheap labor costs.
So unless you incentivize your local companies to spend money on locally-sourced products, you're basically never going to get any kind of manufacturing base off the ground.

There are already tariffs, its just that they are grounded in reality and put into place while communicating with China on it, which is really important and the reason we are not in a huge trade war like with Trump, when he needed to bail out our farmers and spent all the money he made doing so

[Pronnu]

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Manufacturing jobs pay better and have better prestige than the fast food jobs that leftists love to harp on about giving to all the poors.

A majority of them dont have this amazing pay or prestige like you are led to believe.

I did not say "amazing pay or prestige."
I said; "Manufacturing jobs pay better and have better prestige than the fast food jobs that leftists love to harp on about giving to all the poors."

And you want to know why so many industries are doing poorly in that metric? Because the US government allowed the entire world to come here and compete against American workers.
They compete because they do not have the same standard of living expectations that Americans have. And if your solution to that is to say that Americans demand too much, then who's side are you really on?

[Pronnu]

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Without tariffs you will never compete with Chinese manufacturing because Chinese manufacturing has insanely cheap labor costs.
So unless you incentivize your local companies to spend money on locally-sourced products, you're basically never going to get any kind of manufacturing base off the ground.

There are already tariffs, its just that they are grounded in reality and put into place while communicating with China on it, which is really important and the reason we are not in a huge trade war like with Trump, when he needed to bail out our farmers and spent all the money he made doing so

Translation: "Dear Leader Xi, which milquetoast proposals will you allow us to have which we can throw at our voter base to placate them that will not upset your economic supremacy?"
If it can benefit us, then of course China will not allow it.

[Jimmy With An E]

Postat inițial de Pronnu:

Postat inițial de Jimmy With An E:

There are already tariffs, its just that they are grounded in reality and put into place while communicating with China on it, which is really important and the reason we are not in a huge trade war like with Trump, when he needed to bail out our farmers and spent all the money he made doing so

Translation: "Dear Leader Xi, which milquetoast proposals will you allow us to have which we can throw at our voter base to placate them that will not upset your economic supremacy?"
If it can benefit us, then of course China will not allow it.

The truth is that plenty of industries are failing because Americans dont make amazing work, and just "bringing back the jobs" wont suddenly fix failing or falling behind industries. And hell yes Americans demand too much, having coworkers complain SoOoO much about the choking inflation while buying another carton of cigarettes and a 6 pack of fireball shooters is the stupidest ♥♥♥♥ in the world. Whether we like it or not we have to actually talk economy with China, we cant just willy nilly tariff everything, yet again I will state that Trump tried exactly that, random tariffs without communicating so, and our farmers got choked really badly. I dont want an even wider scale event like that happening again