The Post Harris/Walz 2024 thread

[Holografix]

"Somehow Palpatine returned"

For 'reasons,' maga republicans chose to write the next chapter of american political history by aping the plot device of the worst of the Star Wars films.

*Donald Trump is a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Quillithe:

I don't think providing material aid to Ukrainians is asking them to fight and die on your behalf.

They're fighting and dying on their own behalf, and it's a way to hopefully cut down on the dying bit.

It's prolonging a lost war, material aid isn't going to the Ukrainians, it's going to the Ukrainian Government so they can keep sending cannon fodder to the front lines to die. The Russian advance is being held up only on the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians who have been kidnapped and thrown into a meat grinder. None of them are there on their own behalf, the last professional soldiers who actively signed up to fight were killed over a year ago. There are only teenage and middle aged conscripts now with not even enough training in how to use a rifle.

Sending material aid is directly funding mass murder. There is peace now and the killing stops and Ukraine keeps some land, or peace occurs when Putin conquers the entire country and every Ukrainian is dead. The third choice is Europe and US enter the war and the world dies in a nuclear holocaust ten minutes later. Those are your choices.

Funny how it's always phrased so that somehow Putin escapes all responsibility

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Quillithe:

I don't think providing material aid to Ukrainians is asking them to fight and die on your behalf.

They're fighting and dying on their own behalf, and it's a way to hopefully cut down on the dying bit.

It's prolonging a lost war, material aid isn't going to the Ukrainians, it's going to the Ukrainian Government so they can keep sending cannon fodder to the front lines to die. The Russian advance is being held up only on the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians who have been kidnapped and thrown into a meat grinder. None of them are there on their own behalf, the last professional soldiers who actively signed up to fight were killed over a year ago. There are only teenage and middle aged conscripts now with not even enough training in how to use a rifle.

Sending material aid is directly funding mass murder. There is peace now and the killing stops and Ukraine keeps some land, or peace occurs when Putin conquers the entire country and every Ukrainian is dead. The third choice is Europe and US enter the war and the world dies in a nuclear holocaust ten minutes later. Those are your choices.

Now that's some fine russian propaganda right there. I hope the Kreml is paying you well.

You know what I want?

What I want is for Russian soldiers to go back to their country. Just pack up, get back over the border where they belong. That's it.

Russian soldiers don't belong on Ukrainian soil.

Russia isn't willing to give up any of the land they stole though so... yeah... no

I can see why you're willing to accept that, Russian just waltzing into other countries, stealing land, butchering the natives, I can see why you're totally fine with that.

Well, I'm not.

And you...

You seriously think that you boldly stating that I shouldn't be allowed to hold and express this opinion just because I'm not actively killing russian soldiers myself, which somehow makes me a coward, is some kind of gotcha moment?

Lol

And you're surprised why I don't bother to actively address or engage anything you say...

I mean, I could just do the reverse Uno think and say "well, if you like Putin and Russia so much, why don't you go live there? I'll even go so far as to buy you the ticket, help you pack and I'll even drive you to the airport". That statement holds as much value as the drivel you just posted...

Though for all I know, you might already be somewhere in Russia... after that little rant of yours, where you say the only choice is to just give up and accept what Russia is doing, I wouldn't be surprised.

P.S.: don't think I haven't noticed that you aren't putting any blame, any responsibility, on Putin and the Russians while vilifying Ukraine for defending their country that is being invaded.

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

It's prolonging a lost war, material aid isn't going to the Ukrainians, it's going to the Ukrainian Government so they can keep sending cannon fodder to the front lines to die. The Russian advance is being held up only on the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians who have been kidnapped and thrown into a meat grinder. None of them are there on their own behalf, the last professional soldiers who actively signed up to fight were killed over a year ago. There are only teenage and middle aged conscripts now with not even enough training in how to use a rifle.

Sending material aid is directly funding mass murder. There is peace now and the killing stops and Ukraine keeps some land, or peace occurs when Putin conquers the entire country and every Ukrainian is dead. The third choice is Europe and US enter the war and the world dies in a nuclear holocaust ten minutes later. Those are your choices.

Now that's some fine russian propaganda right there. I hope the Kreml is paying you well.

You know what I want?

What I want is for Russian soldiers to go back to their country. Just pack up, get back over the border where they belong. That's it.

Russian soldiers don't belong on Ukrainian soil.

Russia isn't willing to give up any of the land they stole though so... yeah... no

I can see why you're willing to accept that, Russian just waltzing into other countries, stealing land, butchering the natives, I can see why you're totally fine with that.

Well, I'm not.

You know what? You can have that. You can have it all. The only problem is that you're going to have to be the one to go and do it. Because no one else is remotely bothered any more.

So go on then. Off you pop. We'll look forward to hearing about how you have reversed the Russian advance.



Oh wait. When you say you're not fine with it, what you actually mean is that you're going to carry on posting strong words on a game forum as opposed to actually doing anything to back those words up with. But that's ok, so long as Ukrainian teenagers are dying to satisfy your upset feelings, and you're not. You're totally fine with that, aren't you.

Say hello to your new little friends.



Now run along and let the adults in the room, end the war.

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

It's prolonging a lost war, material aid isn't going to the Ukrainians, it's going to the Ukrainian Government so they can keep sending cannon fodder to the front lines to die. The Russian advance is being held up only on the dead bodies of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians who have been kidnapped and thrown into a meat grinder. None of them are there on their own behalf, the last professional soldiers who actively signed up to fight were killed over a year ago. There are only teenage and middle aged conscripts now with not even enough training in how to use a rifle.

Sending material aid is directly funding mass murder. There is peace now and the killing stops and Ukraine keeps some land, or peace occurs when Putin conquers the entire country and every Ukrainian is dead. The third choice is Europe and US enter the war and the world dies in a nuclear holocaust ten minutes later. Those are your choices.

Funny how it's always phrased so that somehow Putin escapes all responsibility

I don't think Europe or the US has any worldly claim to credibility about assigning blame while Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell, George Bush Jr and St. Barack Obama - alongside all the rest of their cronies, who together unilaterally and illegally invaded and conquered the sovereign countries of Iraq and Libya, directly causing the deaths of millions - are not currently rotting in prison for the rest of their miserable little lives.

Yea, go and accuse Putin to his face, while ignoring our own crimes against humanity. That'll really put him in his place.

The thing about standards is that once you abandon them yourself, it's really tough to hold other people to them.

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Now that's some fine russian propaganda right there. I hope the Kreml is paying you well.

You know what I want?

What I want is for Russian soldiers to go back to their country. Just pack up, get back over the border where they belong. That's it.

Russian soldiers don't belong on Ukrainian soil.

Russia isn't willing to give up any of the land they stole though so... yeah... no

I can see why you're willing to accept that, Russian just waltzing into other countries, stealing land, butchering the natives, I can see why you're totally fine with that.

Well, I'm not.

You know what? You can have that. You can have it all. The only problem is that you're going to have to be the one to go and do it. Because no one else is remotely bothered any more.

So go on then. Off you pop. We'll look forward to hearing about how you have reversed the Russian advance.



Oh wait. When you say you're not fine with it, what you actually mean is that you're going to carry on posting strong words on a game forum as opposed to actually doing anything to back those words up with. But that's ok, so long as Ukrainian teenagers are dying to satisfy your upset feelings, and you're not. You're totally fine with that, aren't you.

Say hello to your new little friends.

:swift_feather::swift_feather::swift_feather:

Now run along and let the adults in the room, end the war.

You seriously think that you boldly stating that I shouldn't be allowed to hold and express this opinion just because I'm not actively killing russian soldiers myself, which somehow makes me a coward, is some kind of gotcha moment?

Lol

don't think I haven't noticed that you aren't putting any blame, any responsibility, on Putin and the Russians while vilifying Ukraine for defending their country that is being invaded.

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

You know what? You can have that. You can have it all. The only problem is that you're going to have to be the one to go and do it. Because no one else is remotely bothered any more.

So go on then. Off you pop. We'll look forward to hearing about how you have reversed the Russian advance.



Oh wait. When you say you're not fine with it, what you actually mean is that you're going to carry on posting strong words on a game forum as opposed to actually doing anything to back those words up with. But that's ok, so long as Ukrainian teenagers are dying to satisfy your upset feelings, and you're not. You're totally fine with that, aren't you.

Say hello to your new little friends.



Now run along and let the adults in the room, end the war.

You seriously think that you boldly stating that I shouldn't be allowed to hold and express this opinion just because I'm not actively killing russian soldiers myself, which somehow makes me a coward, is some kind of gotcha moment?

Lol

don't think I haven't noticed that you aren't putting any blame, any responsibility, on Putin and the Russians while vilifying Ukraine for defending their country that is being invaded.

As if you could kill a Russian soldier...

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Funny how it's always phrased so that somehow Putin escapes all responsibility

I don't think Europe or the US has any worldly claim to credibility about assigning blame while Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell, George Bush Jr and St. Barack Obama - alongside all the rest of their cronies, who together unilaterally and illegally invaded and conquered the sovereign countries of Iraq and Libya, directly causing the deaths of millions - are not currently rotting in prison for the rest of their miserable little lives.

Oh we do and we will absolutely put the blame on Putin and Russia.

Your russian propaganda is getting predictable by the way, I've heard this script before.

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

I don't think Europe or the US has any worldly claim to credibility about assigning blame while Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell, George Bush Jr and St. Barack Obama - alongside all the rest of their cronies, who together unilaterally and illegally invaded and conquered the sovereign countries of Iraq and Libya, directly causing the deaths of millions - are not currently rotting in prison for the rest of their miserable little lives.

Oh we do and we will absolutely put the blame on Putin and Russia.

Your russian propaganda is getting predictable by the way, I've heard this script before.

Great. Well done. You've put the blame on Putin and Russia.

Now what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6FXdloCUOM

You've had the blame on Putin and Russia for approximately 60 seconds now and... yep, the war is still going on. Well done. Achievement unlocked.

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

You seriously think that you boldly stating that I shouldn't be allowed to hold and express this opinion just because I'm not actively killing russian soldiers myself, which somehow makes me a coward, is some kind of gotcha moment?

Lol

don't think I haven't noticed that you aren't putting any blame, any responsibility, on Putin and the Russians while vilifying Ukraine for defending their country that is being invaded.

:swift_feather::swift_feather::swift_feather:

As if you could kill a Russian soldier... :lunar2019laughingpig:

All those ukrainian teenagers and freedom fighters you seem to be so concerned about don't got any trouble with it. :-)

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

As if you could kill a Russian soldier...

All those ukrainian teenagers and freedom fighters you seem to be so concerned about don't got any trouble with it. :-)

The ratio of Russian to Ukrainian casualties is 1:18

So find 17 of your buddies willing to die for the cause and you might even manage it.

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Oh we do and we will absolutely put the blame on Putin and Russia.

Your russian propaganda is getting predictable by the way, I've heard this script before.

Great. Well done. You've put the blame on Putin and Russia.

Now what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6FXdloCUOM

You've had the blame on Putin and Russia for approximately 60 seconds now and... yep, the war is still going on.

Good. The war shouldn't end while a single russian soldier is still on ukrainian soil.

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Great. Well done. You've put the blame on Putin and Russia.

Now what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6FXdloCUOM

You've had the blame on Putin and Russia for approximately 60 seconds now and... yep, the war is still going on.

Good. The war shouldn't end while a single russian soldier is still on ukrainian soil.

And as I keep saying - there's nothing stopping you going there to throw them off Ukrainian soil.

Because so far, two million Ukrainian soldiers haven't managed to do that. They could really use your help.

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

All those ukrainian teenagers and freedom fighters you seem to be so concerned about don't got any trouble with it. :-)

The ratio of Russian to Ukrainian casualties is 1:18

So find 17 of your buddies willing to die for the cause and you might even manage it.

Ah, classic russian propaganda... Russian soldiers are such Ubermenschen that it takes at least 18 ukrainians to take just a single one of them down, lol XD

That's a cute fairytale...

Hey quick question: if Russian soldiers really are so strong, how come they haven't won the war yet? :-p

[Sek-Raktaa]

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Good. The war shouldn't end while a single russian soldier is still on ukrainian soil.

And as I keep saying - there's nothing stopping you going there to throw them off Ukrainian soil.

Because so far, two million Ukrainian soldiers haven't managed to do that. They could really use your help.

I'm keeping you and your laughably bad russian propaganda bullcrap in check so I'm doing my part :-p

[CaractacusRex]

Originally posted by Sek-Raktaa:

Originally posted by CaractacusRex:

The ratio of Russian to Ukrainian casualties is 1:18

So find 17 of your buddies willing to die for the cause and you might even manage it.

Ah, classic russian propaganda... Russian soldiers are such Ubermenschen that it takes at least 18 ukrainians to take just a single one of them down, lol XD

That's a cute fairytale...

Hey quick question: if Russian soldiers really are so strong, how come they haven't won the war yet? :-p

17 of those Ukrainians are dead before they even see a Russian. Warfare has moved on in the past 20 years you know. Now you just get blown up by a drone.

I mean, if the Ukrainians are doing so well, why have they lost over a third of the country and gone through three armies?

Also, you're just recycling talking points now. Anything to avoid being reminded that you are advocating for eternal war without wanting to do any fighting yourself.