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Azza ☠ (已封禁) 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 10:32
Does America not have standard vehicle safety requirements?
Yet another 2 million Tesla cars (Model S, Model X, Model 3 and Model Y) recalled over autopilot defects which can't be fixed by just software updates...

Elon Musk decided not to apply an official US Safety testing to the new CyberTruck.

It's like in America, vehicle manufacturers to even selectively select what vehicle is tested to be road worthy or not, before even selling it.

He shows all these staged tests such as throwing a steel ball smashing the so-called "bullet proof" windows, therefore changes the steel ball to a soft baseball to retest it again years later and surprise, surprise, the baseball didn't break the car window (much like it wouldn't for any car).

He shows crash testing videos, but stops the clip before the impact. The real impact shows the driver and passenger crash test dummies being thrown around inside. No vehicle crumple zones that are designed in every single other car to absorb impact and reduce the impact of both those inside the vehicle as well as if hit by the car.

He shows drag racing on straight flat ground against other fuel based vehicles, knowing that an electric car has faster acceleration over a mere short distance. No turns to show it's handling and no off-road, etc. No real-world testing at all.

Well someone with their new CyperTruck took it outside into the real world to go off-road and pick get a Christmas tree, yet had to get it towed. It couldn't even make it up a slight off-road hill on the way back. Does it even have 4-wheel drive?

Who's even the target market? Drag strip racers, on flat and dry ground, in straight lines only?

So in America, you have the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) and the IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) right? Yet are they completely optional for car manufacturers to do or not?

Is there at least a basic requirement for what a car is on your roads?
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Sarge the doggo 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:15 
引用自 Azza ☠


It’s a serious problem involving all the regulations and all the car companies just getting away with cutting corners. Kia’s and Hyundais were getting stole by usb wires and screwdrivers how does something like that pass inspection it’s insanity to me.

https://www.businessinsider.com/kia-hyundai-car-thefts-crime-wave-viral-tiktok-lawsuits-2023-3

Yes teenage crime is a serious problem nowadays, at least you only have them smashing into loot places we have kids running people over and laughing about it and posting it on TikTok and they get away with it.

https://www.waff.com/2023/12/11/graphic-police-share-videos-driver-hitting-pedestrians-purpose/

Should be locked away for life if you don’t know running a car at someone could kill them at age 15+ you are a net loss on society and should be banished to cell.

You think that's bad?

A Tesla car can be unlocked and started remotely via a bluetooth signal from a cellphone within 2 minutes which can't be patched without a mass recall. They can also lock out the electric steering wheel while it's driving. The steering not being physically connected means any hack/fault can prevent the driver from controlling the entire car.

Two whitehat hacker groups managed to gain full access into Tesla vehicles within 2 minutes and the other within 10 minutes / 3 tries max.

Stuff like that is why I wouldn’t ever buy a car with a push button ignition, I wouldn’t get a Tesla ever anyway I personally think the design is terrible it doesn’t look nice.

Give me a Buick Skylark any day of the week.
Azza ☠ (已封禁) 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:21 
引用自 Azza ☠

You think that's bad?

A Tesla car can be unlocked and started remotely via a bluetooth signal from a cellphone within 2 minutes which can't be patched without a mass recall. They can also lock out the electric steering wheel while it's driving. The steering not being physically connected means any hack/fault can prevent the driver from controlling the entire car.

Two whitehat hacker groups managed to gain full access into Tesla vehicles within 2 minutes and the other within 10 minutes / 3 tries max.

Stuff like that is why I wouldn’t ever buy a car with a push button ignition, I wouldn’t get a Tesla ever anyway I personally think the design is terrible it doesn’t look nice.

Give me a Buick Skylark any day of the week.

Keyless entry is bad enough, due to relaying the car signal from inside the home to your car parked out front, allowing criminals inside and even drive away with it.

A tip for anyone with such a vehicle to place your keys in a shielded place. They really need a shielded box or similar, similar to Anti Theft RFID Blocking Card Wallets/Sleeves, etc. So they can't be scanned from a distance.

I think they must have Key Fob Signal Blockers of some sort by now, surely. Else use a Faraday bag.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:22
Sarge the doggo 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:30 
引用自 Azza ☠

Stuff like that is why I wouldn’t ever buy a car with a push button ignition, I wouldn’t get a Tesla ever anyway I personally think the design is terrible it doesn’t look nice.

Give me a Buick Skylark any day of the week.

Keyless entry is bad enough, due to relaying the car signal from inside the home to your car parked out front, allowing criminals inside and even drive away with it.

A tip for anyone with such a vehicle to place your keys in a shielded place. They really need a shielded box or similar, similar to Anti Theft RFID Blocking Card Wallets/Sleeves, etc. So they can't be scanned from a distance.

I think they must have Key Fob Signal Blockers of some sort by now, surely. Else use a Faraday bag.


The more tech advances the worse things get sometimes.

I still don’t understand why the key is getting phased out at all. I get you can lose it but you can’t hack a key easily you’d need to put in effort or understand how to lock pick.

It’s silly nonsense
Azza ☠ (已封禁) 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:49 
引用自 Azza ☠

Keyless entry is bad enough, due to relaying the car signal from inside the home to your car parked out front, allowing criminals inside and even drive away with it.

A tip for anyone with such a vehicle to place your keys in a shielded place. They really need a shielded box or similar, similar to Anti Theft RFID Blocking Card Wallets/Sleeves, etc. So they can't be scanned from a distance.

I think they must have Key Fob Signal Blockers of some sort by now, surely. Else use a Faraday bag.


The more tech advances the worse things get sometimes.

I still don’t understand why the key is getting phased out at all. I get you can lose it but you can’t hack a key easily you’d need to put in effort or understand how to lock pick.

It’s silly nonsense

Many premium car, the most you get is PKES which is at rank 7 which is not considered secure at all.

What a few others have done is added a "Pin to Drive" passcode.

A relay attack, etc, can still be used to gain access into the vehicle and even unlock it's doors, allowing a criminal to come with a free invite to steal anything inside, yet if the owner added a pin code, they would have to figure that out too to drive away.

I guess that can still be better than a smash and grab, breaking the window.

In some high crime car countries, certain locations will even leave their car boot (trunk) open and the car unlocked to show possible criminals there's nothing inside worth stealing and avoid damage.

It becomes like an addiction of how many break ins they can do within a night, then the following day just repeat. Car crimes are crazy and far too easy for most, they just keep doing it till caught.

Car alarms are quite useless too.

The best car security is actually an engine immobiliser. We actually even have standards for that and it has to pass a 2001 Australian and New Zealand Standards AS/NZS 4601:1999 - Vehicle Immobilisers.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:53
76561198356019466 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:57 
The guys building his cars must be the guys building his rockets.


And just BTW, my mother is a staunch staunch staunch die hard republican, and even she thinks he's a douche bag.
最后由 76561198356019466 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 上午 11:58
Xero_Daxter 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:00 
I don’t think self-driving semi-trucks would be a good idea. Imagine making a false positive for the truck to stop just to steal the truck.
Vaulty 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:01 
Cuz in murica you hav freeedum, and freedum, you can't have some rich companies tell you what car you can or can't do drive!!!!


FREEDUUUUM
Tristin 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:03 
It's laughable how the heck autodriving is on the road, when cameras aren't fully capable of detecting things 100% yet. It is not that America don't have vehicle safety requirement (despite driving tests being extremely inadequately easy), but it is very corrupted. Just how much money did they push to officials to buy off releasing their vehicles?

It's all about money.
Vox 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:05 
USA profits before safety.
Lokaror 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:06 
Money can get past any amount of regulation.
Azza ☠ (已封禁) 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:10 
I agree with the "money talks"

I had just found out the US Federal Safety regulators scolded Elon Musk over "misleading statements" for the Tesla car range safety and fined him.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:13
Devsman 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:13 
引用自 Azza ☠
Tesla owners are currently being scammed. He had fraud charges back since 2018.
And Chevrolet owners, and Toyota owners, and Mercedes-Benz owners...

The era of decent cars is long past.
Sarge the doggo 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 12:18 
引用自 Devsman
引用自 Azza ☠
Tesla owners are currently being scammed. He had fraud charges back since 2018.
And Chevrolet owners, and Toyota owners, and Mercedes-Benz owners...

The era of decent cars is long past.


It’s not even just cars they cut corners with everything now and screw the consumer beyond words. My grandmothers Maytag appliances still work to this day and my new washer and dryer have broken in 5 years. It’s disgusting
Lokaror 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 2:22 
引用自 Devsman
And Chevrolet owners, and Toyota owners, and Mercedes-Benz owners...

The era of decent cars is long past.


It’s not even just cars they cut corners with everything now and screw the consumer beyond words. My grandmothers Maytag appliances still work to this day and my new washer and dryer have broken in 5 years. It’s disgusting

Add that to the rocketing costs and planned obsolescence and the fact that "smart' appliance spy on you to sell data, isn't the future grand?
Ysosrscat 2023 年 12 月 13 日 下午 2:25 
Op must be generating posts with chatgpt at this point
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