Does America not have standard vehicle safety requirements?

[Azza ☠]

Yet another 2 million Tesla cars (Model S, Model X, Model 3 and Model Y) recalled over autopilot defects which can't be fixed by just software updates...

Elon Musk decided not to apply an official US Safety testing to the new CyberTruck.

It's like in America, vehicle manufacturers to even selectively select what vehicle is tested to be road worthy or not, before even selling it.

He shows all these staged tests such as throwing a steel ball smashing the so-called "bullet proof" windows, therefore changes the steel ball to a soft baseball to retest it again years later and surprise, surprise, the baseball didn't break the car window (much like it wouldn't for any car).

He shows crash testing videos, but stops the clip before the impact. The real impact shows the driver and passenger crash test dummies being thrown around inside. No vehicle crumple zones that are designed in every single other car to absorb impact and reduce the impact of both those inside the vehicle as well as if hit by the car.

He shows drag racing on straight flat ground against other fuel based vehicles, knowing that an electric car has faster acceleration over a mere short distance. No turns to show it's handling and no off-road, etc. No real-world testing at all.

Well someone with their new CyperTruck took it outside into the real world to go off-road and pick get a Christmas tree, yet had to get it towed. It couldn't even make it up a slight off-road hill on the way back. Does it even have 4-wheel drive?

Who's even the target market? Drag strip racers, on flat and dry ground, in straight lines only?

So in America, you have the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) and the IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) right? Yet are they completely optional for car manufacturers to do or not?

Is there at least a basic requirement for what a car is on your roads?

[Sarge the doggo]

https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations

[Azza ☠]

The Tesla CyberTruck is not even considered as being road legal in the UK, EU, Australia and New Zealand, etc. Which had got me questioning why it's legally allowed on US roads?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

There are however if a flaw is not detected until the product is shipped out then all one can do is recall them, this was especially bad when this happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF-QAi6_Vjs

It was a flaw so small and minor that it took 2 years after the accident for it to be discovered the actual flaw in of itself, thats not mentioning the years that the car was on the market and the low number of faults.

These are issues that sadly you do not find till its to late after the fact and do not appear in testing

[Sarge the doggo]

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

The Tesla CyberTruck is not even considered as being road legal in the UK, EU, Australia and New Zealand, etc. Which had got me questioning why it's legally allowed on US roads?

Cause Elon Musk is a based God idk go ask the us government why he can do what he does

[Azza ☠]

Originally posted by Sarge, Mariah Carey's Xmas Pup:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations

I thought so, but it seems optional to be able to pick what vehicle is tested or not? Otherwise it's not applied before the release/selling of the vehicle to the public? I don't get it.

The car recalls show it kinda working, but kick in like 2-3 years later when they are already driving around, either breaking down or ended up crashing.

Tesla Cybertruck was added to the NHTSA Database, but with no Official Crash-Test Ratings, etc. They have no plans to test the vehicle?!?!!?!! Like what... seriously...

The NHTSA does not “approve” new vehicles.

[Sarge the doggo]

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Originally posted by Sarge, Mariah Carey's Xmas Pup:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations

I thought so, but it seems optional to be able to pick what vehicle is tested or not? Otherwise it's not applied before the release/selling of the vehicle to the public? I don't get it.

I’m sure there’s some European car CEO cutting corners and giving bribes out to get away with things like this too.

https://www.hotcars.com/most-dangerous-unsafe-european-cars/

So you know, Europe lets things slip too.

Volkswagen in particular

[Azza ☠]

Originally posted by Sarge, Mariah Carey's Xmas Pup:

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

I thought so, but it seems optional to be able to pick what vehicle is tested or not? Otherwise it's not applied before the release/selling of the vehicle to the public? I don't get it.

I’m sure there’s some European car CEO cutting corners and giving bribes out to get away with things like this too.

https://www.hotcars.com/most-dangerous-unsafe-european-cars/

So you know, Europe lets things slip too.

Volkswagen in particular

Yeah, I guess it's not just America.

I would of just assumed and expected a safety standard for all vehicles these days (in 2023) before being allowed to sell to the public, pretty much everywhere in the world.

Death traps on wheels, not just for the driver either.

If the CyberTruck was here in New Zealand, the only thing it would be ever used for is ram raids by kids as young as 11 to break into diary stores to steal their vapes. We have a problem with ram raiding kids due to our law being lighter on the younger criminals. They love to steal electric cars to smash into stores, faster short-distance acceleration and the more heavy the better to make it inside.

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Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Originally posted by Sarge, Mariah Carey's Xmas Pup:

https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations

I thought so, but it seems optional to be able to pick what vehicle is tested or not? Otherwise it's not applied before the release/selling of the vehicle to the public? I don't get it.

The car recalls show it kinda working, but kick in like 2-3 years later when they are already driving around, either breaking down or ended up crashing.

Tesla Cybertruck was added to the NHTSA Database, but with no Official Crash-Test Ratings, etc. They have no plans to test the vehicle?!?!!?!! Like what... seriously...

The NHTSA does not “approve” new vehicles.

The US don't even have seat belts on school buss's but every other country has seat belts on their school buss's.

[Sarge the doggo]

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Originally posted by Sarge, Mariah Carey's Xmas Pup:

I’m sure there’s some European car CEO cutting corners and giving bribes out to get away with things like this too.

https://www.hotcars.com/most-dangerous-unsafe-european-cars/

So you know, Europe lets things slip too.

Volkswagen in particular

Yeah, I guess it's not just America.

I would of just assumed and expected a safety standard for all vehicles these days (in 2023) before being allowed to sell to the public, pretty much everywhere in the world.

Death traps on wheels, not just for the driver either.

If the CyberTruck was here in New Zealand, the only thing it would be ever used for is ram raids by kids as young as 11 to break into diary stores to steal their vapes. We have a problem with ram raiding kids due to our law being lighter on the younger criminals. They love to steal electric cars to smash into stores, faster short-distance acceleration and the more heavy the better to make it inside.

It’s a serious problem involving all the regulations and all the car companies just getting away with cutting corners. Kia’s and Hyundais were getting stole by usb wires and screwdrivers how does something like that pass inspection it’s insanity to me.

https://www.businessinsider.com/kia-hyundai-car-thefts-crime-wave-viral-tiktok-lawsuits-2023-3

Yes teenage crime is a serious problem nowadays, at least you only have them smashing into loot places we have kids running people over and laughing about it and posting it on TikTok and they get away with it.

https://www.waff.com/2023/12/11/graphic-police-share-videos-driver-hitting-pedestrians-purpose/

Should be locked away for life if you don’t know running a car at someone could kill them at age 15+ you are a net loss on society and should be banished to cell.

[Azza ☠]

Originally posted by Dr. Johnny Fever:

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

I thought so, but it seems optional to be able to pick what vehicle is tested or not? Otherwise it's not applied before the release/selling of the vehicle to the public? I don't get it.

The car recalls show it kinda working, but kick in like 2-3 years later when they are already driving around, either breaking down or ended up crashing.

Tesla Cybertruck was added to the NHTSA Database, but with no Official Crash-Test Ratings, etc. They have no plans to test the vehicle?!?!!?!! Like what... seriously...

The NHTSA does not “approve” new vehicles.

The US don't even have seat belts on school buss's but every other country has seat belts on their school buss's.

That's another good point.

Here in New Zealand, you won't find many, if any, buses with seat belts. Specially school buses.

Rather the bus itself is designed with a concept called "compartmentalization" which requires large buses to protect children without needing to buckle up. No idea how that testing works.

We did have some petition to get seat belts for school buses back in like 2021.

[Sarge the doggo]

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Originally posted by Dr. Johnny Fever:

The US don't even have seat belts on school buss's but every other country has seat belts on their school buss's.

That's another good point.

Here in New Zealand, you won't find many, if any, buses with seat belts. Specially school buses.

Rather the bus itself is designed with a concept called "compartmentalization" which requires large buses to protect children without needing to buckle up. No idea how that testing works.

We did have some petition to get seat belts for school buses back in like 2021.

The only problem with seat belts on buses is kids are rowdy and it’d be really hard to get 30+ kids to wear those here in America, who’s gonna enforce it? The underpaid bus driver? They’d have to put a cop on every bus.

Not to mention if a kid didn’t like someone and tries to choke them out with a seat belt.

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Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Originally posted by Dr. Johnny Fever:

The US don't even have seat belts on school buss's but every other country has seat belts on their school buss's.

That's another good point.

Here in New Zealand, you won't find many, if any, buses with seat belts. Specially school buses.

Rather the bus itself is designed with a concept called "compartmentalization" which requires large buses to protect children without needing to buckle up. No idea how that testing works.

We did have some petition to get seat belts for school buses back in like 2021.

Yea no clue how that will protect kids in a roll over and they are all rolling around inside the bus.

[Sarge the doggo]

Originally posted by Dr. Johnny Fever:

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

That's another good point.

Here in New Zealand, you won't find many, if any, buses with seat belts. Specially school buses.

Rather the bus itself is designed with a concept called "compartmentalization" which requires large buses to protect children without needing to buckle up. No idea how that testing works.

We did have some petition to get seat belts for school buses back in like 2021.

Yea no clue how that will protect kids in a roll over and they are all rolling around inside the bus.

And when the bus rolls over onto its top and the kids are all stuck hanging upside down until help gets there, you think they will just dangle there or will they try to release their belts and fall and break their necks?

Bad ♥♥♥♥ happens seat belts don’t make you invincible

Busses should just be foam padded walls and ceilings so you can bounce around

[Azza ☠]

Originally posted by Sarge, Mariah Carey's Xmas Pup:

Originally posted by Azza ☠:

Yeah, I guess it's not just America.

I would of just assumed and expected a safety standard for all vehicles these days (in 2023) before being allowed to sell to the public, pretty much everywhere in the world.

Death traps on wheels, not just for the driver either.

If the CyberTruck was here in New Zealand, the only thing it would be ever used for is ram raids by kids as young as 11 to break into diary stores to steal their vapes. We have a problem with ram raiding kids due to our law being lighter on the younger criminals. They love to steal electric cars to smash into stores, faster short-distance acceleration and the more heavy the better to make it inside.

It’s a serious problem involving all the regulations and all the car companies just getting away with cutting corners. Kia’s and Hyundais were getting stole by usb wires and screwdrivers how does something like that pass inspection it’s insanity to me.

https://www.businessinsider.com/kia-hyundai-car-thefts-crime-wave-viral-tiktok-lawsuits-2023-3

Yes teenage crime is a serious problem nowadays, at least you only have them smashing into loot places we have kids running people over and laughing about it and posting it on TikTok and they get away with it.

https://www.waff.com/2023/12/11/graphic-police-share-videos-driver-hitting-pedestrians-purpose/

Should be locked away for life if you don’t know running a car at someone could kill them at age 15+ you are a net loss on society and should be banished to cell.

You think that's bad?

A Tesla car can be unlocked and started remotely via a bluetooth signal from a cellphone within 2 minutes which can't be patched without a mass recall. They can also lock out the electric steering wheel while it's driving. The steering not being physically connected means any hack/fault can prevent the driver from controlling the entire car.

Once accessed they could remotely turn on the car, drive it, open the door, turn off the lights, honk the horn, open the truck, activate windshield wipers, mess with the info system, and lock out the steering, etc.

Two whitehat hacker groups managed to gain full access into Tesla vehicles within 2 minutes and the other within 10 minutes / 3 tries max.

Physical hardware changes are required to fix that exploit vulnerability. That would require recall almost every Tesla out of on road today!

[emcarlsen (she/her)]

1: we do.
2: They don't apply to large SUVs, because big oil runs the country.