What do you guys think is the reason the MCU/Disney is failing?

[Iggy Wolf]

I mean, money wise, I'm sure you can say they're still doing financially well, but in terms of their movies pulling the same numbers and interest as the Infinity Saga, they've obviously been lacking. So I'm curious to hear people's thoughts here as to why that is and what people think are the reasons for their poor reception.

[Hobbit XIII]

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

A good example on what the MCU have done in modern age is Kamala Khan.

It showcase the reason why people have lost interest. Basically superheroes today don´t have any struggle, actual flaws and proper motivation.
They are "Mary Sue / Gary Stu" characters. If you read the intro story of Kamala Khan and how she becomes Ms. Marvel (the most powerful superhero of all atm in MCU) then you quickly learn about just how bland, boring and uninteresting the character really is.

It has nothing to do with the character being female or muslim (albeit they were chosen before the backstory and non existent struggle) It is sad when writers don´t focus on making interesting characters and make them more whole..

I hate Superman as well btw.. just incase.. I generally hate most Superheroes.. (but there are some good ones, that have the above, struggle, motivation, flaws)

My first experiences of Superman was the Christopher Reeves films when I was a child.
Is it those you dislike or later films or anything in particular?

I felt sorry for him having such powers yet is not allowed to let loose and win at school sports. It may seem something quite trivial but I can imagine the frustration of wanting to really go for it.
Plus him knowing he may be the last of his kind must be very lonely and the bond with his adoptive parents all the more special especially as he goes out into the city world from the farmlands.

[Devsman]

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

A good example on what the MCU have done in modern age is Kamala Khan.

It showcase the reason why people have lost interest. Basically superheroes today don´t have any struggle, actual flaws and proper motivation.
They are "Mary Sue / Gary Stu" characters. If you read the intro story of Kamala Khan and how she becomes Ms. Marvel (the most powerful superhero of all atm in MCU) then you quickly learn about just how bland, boring and uninteresting the character really is.

It has nothing to do with the character being female or muslim (albeit they were chosen before the backstory and non existent struggle) It is sad when writers don´t focus on making interesting characters and make them more whole..

I hate Superman as well btw.. just incase.. I generally hate most Superheroes.. (but there are some good ones, that have the above, struggle, motivation, flaws)

But Superman is legit. Though you'd never guess it if your only exposure to the character were from cinema and TV, where he's essentially Bugs Bunny. "Does Superman have that power?" "He does if it makes it funny!"

Actually competent Superman stories focus on his faith in humanity and his struggle to prove that it is well-founded. Which is why guys like Lex Luthor are such scum and why Superman takes such issue with them, and why guys like Brainiac come from some other world completely.

It's true that he's insanely powerful, which is why you often have the problems he can't just punch, like Mr. Mxyzptlk, or the depowering villains like Parasite. But it's also true that his villains often tend to match or exceed him anyway, allowing the humanity in him to be the factor that saves the day.

There's a good reason he became one of the most popular characters of all time, and it's kind of a shame that the movies pretty much never get him right.

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the bigger they are, the harder (and slower, unfortunately) they crash.

[Iggy Wolf]

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

A good example on what the MCU have done in modern age is Kamala Khan.

It showcase the reason why people have lost interest. Basically superheroes today don´t have any struggle, actual flaws and proper motivation.
They are "Mary Sue / Gary Stu" characters. If you read the intro story of Kamala Khan and how she becomes Ms. Marvel (the most powerful superhero of all atm in MCU) then you quickly learn about just how bland, boring and uninteresting the character really is.

It has nothing to do with the character being female or muslim (albeit they were chosen before the backstory and non existent struggle) It is sad when writers don´t focus on making interesting characters and make them more whole..

I hate Superman as well btw.. just incase.. I generally hate most Superheroes.. (but there are some good ones, that have the above, struggle, motivation, flaws)

I've actually read that she's more likeable than the rest of the Marvels. Certainly more than Carol Danvers. It may not make her any less of a Mary Sue though, but I think she was also meant to appeal more to Gen Z teenagers with her show. Which wouldn't be a bad thing if Marvel was serious about doing the Young Avengers, but there's been a lack of consistency in even introducing more of these types of characters and actually sticking to them to even have hope for that.

If Kate Bishop, Ms. Marvel, Riri Williams, and Monica are meant to represent that part of the Young Avengers lineup, then they've ALL been terribly and criminally underutilized. And being thrown in as a "sidekick" to another big character's movie isn't exactly doing them "justice". It's more like being condescending by saying "Aww, you want to play with the big boys? That's cute. Here, be a sidekick for a little bit. We'll come back later to see if you're worth our time and effort".

Honestly, if I was the actor, I'd be demanding a much bigger role and presence, cause it's not like you sign someone up for an MCU contract as a "one and done" deal. And if that IS the case. Then don't be overpromise and under deliver because you were simply "experimenting" and weren't sure whether the actor and character would be popular. They weren't able to get away with that BS in the first 3 phases, since most of the actors were adults and knew that rights and the value of their reputation.

[Kweeb]

Put a chick in it and make it lame and g4y

[Scott, President of Dominos]

It’s called “creative accounting”

Disney continues to make ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of money, but claims huge losses to avoid paying taxes.

[Dom]

This is not true. Disney makes record profits year after year, insane growth. No sign of failing whatsoever. We see signs of expansion and growth.

[Faster With Feeling]

Was it true the Guardians Of The Galaxy were pretty much unknowns till the first movie came out?

Also can't wait for the day Disney retcons Star Wars and Earth becomes part of the lore

[Birds]

A global market which favors mediocrity and predetermined financial limits.

[Holografix]

Origineel geplaatst door Xautos:

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

i don't think digital streaming has the same impact as seeing a film in a theatre. There is something special and unique about seeing a film on a huge screen with loud sound. So no, i don't think movie theatres are outmoded by people trying to see a film on an iphone. It's not the same experience.

it was all because of covid.

Big screen tv's with custom sound blasters on each side, nice comfortable armchairs, popcorn and drink. you can create the experience easily enough with enough people at the event at home.

best thing about seeing the first film through, you can load up a second right away and waste 4-6 hours just enjoy films. the value digital brings puts a cinema to shame.

home screens are not as big as theatre screens. you can't even get close to theatre size with a home setup.

it's not the same experience.

[Tito Shivan]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

it's not the same experience.

Sure it's not. I don't get the noisy kids nor the idiot browsing their phone in de dark or having a call in the middle of the movie. I don't get to pay for some popcorn and a coke the equivalent of a dinner or having to miss part of the movie because i have to go to the loo.

I've watched the last 4 marvel movies at home and it was a more comfortable experience than the last average blockbuster movie nights. I may miss screen size, but I'm winning on a lot of things in exchange.

Movie theatres have gone a looong way to degrade the movie theatre experience over the years (And I've been a really hardcore cinema moviegoer)...

[Spencer]

This
https://twitter.com/azote_air/status/1719816420156911626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paFatslWXxo

[Holografix]

Origineel geplaatst door Tito Shivan:

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

it's not the same experience.

Sure it's not. I don't get the noisy kids nor the idiot browsing their phone in de dark or having a call in the middle of the movie. I don't get to pay for some popcorn and a coke the equivalent of a dinner or having to miss part of the movie because i have to go to the loo.

I've watched the last 4 marvel movies at home and it was a more comfortable experience than the last average blockbuster movie nights. I may miss screen size, but I'm winning on a lot of things in exchange.

Movie theatres have gone a looong way to degrade the movie theatre experience over the years (And I've been a really hardcore cinema moviegoer)...

i love the cinema, but i don't go anymore because of covid. i used to go during off hours and see films with maybe 3 or 4 people max in a theatre. you really need to pick and choose the time you go, because sometimes it's empty. also, I don't buy food or drink because i don't think eating in front of a screen is a good habit.

anyway, i've had to watch films at home since covid and it's definitely not the same experience. i don't really feel a difference in comfort because i was comfortable in the theatre. the screen size and sound is the movie going experience, and i miss it. watching a movie at home is not the same.

[Spencer]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Origineel geplaatst door Tito Shivan:

Sure it's not. I don't get the noisy kids nor the idiot browsing their phone in de dark or having a call in the middle of the movie. I don't get to pay for some popcorn and a coke the equivalent of a dinner or having to miss part of the movie because i have to go to the loo.

I've watched the last 4 marvel movies at home and it was a more comfortable experience than the last average blockbuster movie nights. I may miss screen size, but I'm winning on a lot of things in exchange.

Movie theatres have gone a looong way to degrade the movie theatre experience over the years (And I've been a really hardcore cinema moviegoer)...

i love the cinema, but i don't go anymore because of covid. i used to go during off hours and see films with maybe 3 or 4 people max in a theatre. you really need to pick and choose the time you go, because sometimes it's empty. also, I don't buy food or drink because i don't think eating in front of a screen is a good habit.

anyway, i've had to watch films at home since covid and it's definitely not the same experience. i don't really feel a difference in comfort because i was comfortable in the theatre. the screen size and sound is the movie going experience, and i miss it. watching a movie at home is not the same.

Longing for something you destroyed, very funny, and fitting of this entire discussion.

[𝓒𝓪𝓻𝓻𝓸𝓽 🥕]

I hate Disney's obsession with re-releasing bastardised versions of classic cartoons, why can't they just make brand new hand drawn animations like the good old days? why do they have to ruin movies I grew up with and start race swapping classic princesses and adding wokeness into everything? tarnishing the classic movies with gut wrenchingly horrible live action remakes.

I heard theres pretty much a confirmed leak from a producer on Zootopia 2. Zootopia goes by the phrase of "anyone can be anything"

well I am crapping myself. I just know they are going to butcher my favourite movie franchise and turn it into a shameless political woke push and turn Judy in to some LGBT feminist icon and have the entire movie about pushing that agenda rather than solving any mysteries and crimes.