What do you guys think is the reason the MCU/Disney is failing?

[Iggy Wolf]

I mean, money wise, I'm sure you can say they're still doing financially well, but in terms of their movies pulling the same numbers and interest as the Infinity Saga, they've obviously been lacking. So I'm curious to hear people's thoughts here as to why that is and what people think are the reasons for their poor reception.

[Masque]

Publicado originalmente por JustSomeLego:

The movies simply aren't interesting anymore and they keep trying to recapture the magic.

Maybe also people just aren't into movies as much as they used to be. There are far more entertainment options now than even 20 years ago.

The age of radio dramas, which were quite popular, ended for the same reasons. Something the public wanted instead for entertainment came along.

The age of cinema isn't destined to last forever, either.

[Devsman]

Having an actual conclusion didn't help. Endgame was the ending of like thirty different story arcs.

But the biggest issue for me was when they started making everything multiverse. Yeah no, I've read some comics before and this the the exact moment things start falling apart.

Sure, it's cool for a short while to have Thor from dimension X fight Thor from dimension Y awhile antiThor from dimension Z accidentally creates the universe that you and I live in

But about twenty issues later, Spider-boy Prime has to give birth to himself as the only possible solution to a causality paradox caused by Dr. Iron Hulkmerica's attempted consumption of Galactathanos Y, which was equivalent to universe Beta, which was of course the ultimate reality the entire multiverse stems from, which Dr. Iron Hulkmerica had to attempt to consume in order to revive the Widow Panther Witch of universe Zulu, who was the only hope of saving the other universe Beta from destruction by the hand of Black White Gold Blue Vision.

[Grimmz]

Publicado originalmente por Xautos:

Kathleen Kennedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfHylCEoidg

[Tito Shivan]

Publicado originalmente por Dutchgamer1982:

not since they became a institute that hated on their customers for liking what they made in the past.. and selling propaganda instead of entertainment.

Maybe you're no longer the customer they're looking for. Maybe you're old Abe Simpson, and you no longer are 'with it' and 'it' now seeming weird and scary to you.

Such is the circle of life. It's the same narrative that was brought against Rock Music, television or videogames. People angry and scared at being left behind by the times.

Publicado originalmente por Devsman:

But the biggest issue for me was when they started making everything multiverse. Yeah no, I've read some comics before and this the the exact moment things start falling apart.

It's the same exact mistake the comics made in the 90s. Too many collections intertwined between each others, requiring the reader to follow so many storylines tied to each others in order to have a fuller perspective of the product.

Agents of Shield was the beginning of the end. Before that there were only the movies. But if you didn't watch AoS you missed things in the movies, then the TV shows exploded and you had to follow multiple shows just to get the bigger picture in the cinema (I watched Multiverse of madness without watching Wandavision previously and man does it feel like it's missing stuff that way)

Eventually people starts getting pissed at their time being wasted and doing homework in order to enjoy a movie.

[Xx_kNeEjAcKeR_xX]

david goldstein ran out of ideas and is trying to make a quick profit with already existing ips

[Rio]

I couldn't care less with all the real world things going on. About the fake heros that think getting their hands dirty is unacceptable. Who live in worlds of black and white morals, where they always save the day and avoid first world problems.

Its probably super hero fatigue. Or looking at real life and seeing how no one is coming to save anyone. So believing in a super hero, is like believing in a god in an atheist country.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por ⛧:

I couldn't care less with all the real world things going on. About the fake heros that think getting their hands dirty is unacceptable. Who live in worlds of black and white morals, where they always save the day and avoid first world problems.

Its probably super hero fatigue. Or looking at real life and seeing how no one is coming to save anyone. So believing in a super hero, is like believing in a god in an atheist country.

it's not like no one warned anyone..

stories and movies have long been a way to propagate more.. abstract ideas... the sort the ruling elite disagree with people talking about in franko terms.

but ya know, they've been warning about the censorship and thought control for like 10000 years now... you've all just become tired and floppy.

[Irene ❤]

I think the whole selling point of comic book character is their growth. That feeling that makes you want to be that character. If there is no more room for the character to grow, a repeating battle can be boring.

For example Iron Man. It shows a captured guy inventing a robot suit and later improving on it. Every minute is exciting. Same to Captain American and others that are slowly finding their new power.

Criticism first started with captain marvel (2019). An emotional girl with lots of flash back as a pilot, doing nothing much except a lot of talking, and is suddenly getting some power to do a final fight with aliens. Loki, Black Widow and the Marvels no longer brings out that character impact either. People see them as hi-bye chatters and not characters that grow.

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por Irene ❤:

I think the whole selling point of comic book character is their growth. That feeling that makes you want to be that character. If there is no more room for the character to grow, a repeating battle can be boring.

right? who want's to watch some "strong female protagonist" just be all self-entitled and win every conceivable situation?

[Devsman]

Publicado originalmente por Irene ❤:

I think the whole selling point of comic book character is their growth. That feeling that makes you want to be that character. If there is no more room for the character to grow, a repeating battle can be boring.

For example Iron Man. It shows a captured guy inventing a robot suit and later improving on it. Every minute is exciting. Same to Captain American and others that are slowly finding their new power.

Criticism first started with captain marvel (2019). An emotional girl with lots of flash back as a pilot, doing nothing much except a lot of talking, and is suddenly getting some power to do a final fight with aliens. Loki, Black Widow and the Marvels no longer brings out that character impact either. People see them as hi-bye chatters and not characters that grow.

Iron Man: Has flaws, grows to be better

Thor: Has flaws, grows to be better

Captain Marvel: Has flaws, learns that she actually doesn't have flaws but instead people just told her she did because they were sexist

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

woke and SJW propaganda

[Faster With Feeling]

Too many movies
too many stories all converging at the same time
Too many things in general


Hell at this rate Star Wars isn't part of the MCU and they retcon Earth into the lore

[Iggy Wolf]

After The Marvels dismal opening, I find it funny that some people still make excuses for bad Marvel movies when they know they'd NEVER extend that same courtesy to DC films. I personally watched and enjoyed Black Adam, but I wouldn't blame people for saying it sucked, especially given its own box office disaster. But what's funny is that even people who did like it had no problem admitting that it was just another very weak entry in a long line of DC flops. And that's despite Dwayne The Rock Johnson playing the lead.

It's also why I hate people saying that The Marvels being female led is part of the "hate bandwagon", as if Marvel movies in general haven't been more miss than hit lately. Apart from Loki Season 2 and GotG 3, Marvel hasn't exactly been putting out "quality" lately. If people can rightfully critique and call out WB/DC for their flops, then Marvel should get even LESS of a pass. Because their record wasn't always this shoddy compared to DC.

[Hobbit XIII]

I havnt watched any recent Marvel movies or Disney films outside of Star Wars.

Disney need to get rid of marketing (see Dilbert episode on marketing) in the decision process.
Don't hire the fashionable write/director/producer/actors.

Just get someone who can write a good short story as a base.
The Lion King had a very simple storyline and was not thrill a minute which made the scenes worth watching when something happened.
Unlike the remake Star Wars Khan which took good actors like Khan guy (not going to attempt to spellhis name) and wasted his talent and screen presence with constant ridiculous effects.

Good directing has been lost to thrill a minute boredom directing.
Terminator Dark Fate, good film pity about the over the top effects/stunts. The original Terminator relied on its realistic pacing.
Watched some deadpool alright film i just kept feeling seen this stunt act before.

Now take Peacemaker, stupidly rubbish storyline. Yet I watched the entire first series because the acting and the interaction between the characters is what made me want to watch it. Even the intro dance hooked me.

If I had it my way in Disney I would make the people everybody involved start drawing each scene like they used to a massive combined effor not to release but so they would learn to gel together and become a team and focus. then they can get to writing a storyline on a fairytale and appreciate the original Disney magic.

[Pocahawtness]

Publicado originalmente por Iggy Wolf:

I mean, money wise, I'm sure you can say they're still doing financially well, but in terms of their movies pulling the same numbers and interest as the Infinity Saga, they've obviously been lacking. So I'm curious to hear people's thoughts here as to why that is and what people think are the reasons for their poor reception.

I think they are getting their target audience wrong.

Their audience is predominantly young males who don't care about wokeness, but do care about story consistency.

Disney seem intent on introducing wokeness to absolutely everything, and using Hollywood story writers.

What I mean about Hollywood story writers, is people who write a story for dramatic effect and throw accuracy and consistency out the window. The target audience won't accept that. They want stories that make sense and are consistent.

When it comes to wokeness, they have compromised quality for correctness. But what did Disney expect, when they keep on employing people who have a real stick up their *** about white males? Of course that's not going to go down well with the audience, most of their audience are white males!

It's a real shame. Not only are they destroying the franchises, but they are turning people against any form of wokeness or feminism. They are really damaging the movements they are trying to implement by over-doing it and forcing it on people who just don't want it.