Alice and Bob are stranded in the desert.

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Alice is injured and cannot walk.
If Bob carries Alice to safety, they both stand a 31% chance of survival but if Bob leaves Alice, his chance improves by 9%.

What should they do?

(Philosophy inspired by this scene) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhWe2nf24ag

[Kobs]

Bring Alice, if you don't make it, at least you will scr*w before dying

[L1qu1dator]

Originally posted by Alice:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

9% improvement isn't good enough to risk leaving Alice.

That's right! 9.1% sure, but 9% no.

Originally posted by Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

9% improvement isn't good enough to risk leaving Alice.

How much WOULD be good enough then? :Poppo: :question_m:

30% more and could be considered :P

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

9% improvement isn't good enough to risk leaving Alice.

How much WOULD be good enough then? :Poppo: :question_m:

How much would be good enough for you?...


And more to the point... do the people you'er around know what their % chance might be for you to help or not help them?

And what's their % chance might be for helping you?... or not...


The answer should be "there's never a good enough % to risk leaving someone" if one wants to call themselves "civil" or "humanitarian"

[Devsman]

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

9% improvement isn't good enough to risk leaving Alice.

Especially since after 9% increase, he only has a 33.8% chance.

[Irene ❤]

Bob thinks for a while. It's an empty desert, there is nobody else. Since the 2 must survive, so why not rename themselves to Goku and Vegeta. Alice agreed and want to be Vegeta.

Vegeta ask to be carried. Goku hesitated, so Vegeta naturally offer some benefits. "If you carry me and we make this through, I can give you $10 million. Why not gamble 9% for a better life?"

"But Vegeta", said Goku, "Life is priceless. I won't gamble even 0.01% to lose my life, let alone 9%." Vegeta is angry that Goku is suddenly so wise.

Vegeta persuaded. "Listen Goku, it's like playing blackjack. If you get 2 cards of 15 points, will you not try a 9% chance to draw 1 more card to hit 21? 15 points, or just 30% of survival is already low, you're gonna lose, why not gamble for a better outcome." Goku thinks for a while and agreed.

Suddenly frieza appeared. "Look, assume you walk at 4km/h and by carrying vegeta you can only walk at 3km/h. Without water you'd die in 3 days. Assume you walk for 20 hours daily, that's 240km vs 180km. That improvement is only 60km. Must you trade one life just for that pathetic distance? Or just for that slightly few more hours? Exchange one Life for few more hours. Maximum selfish and shallow, Goku.

Bardock appeared and gave Frieza a punch. "If that few hours ensured Goku's survival, then it's meant to be! It's fate and destiny's call!". The 2 started doing battle.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Irene ❤:

Bob thinks for a while. It's an empty desert, there is nobody else. Since the 2 must survive, so why not rename themselves to Goku and Vegeta. Alice agreed.

Vegeta ask to be carried. Goku hesitated, so Vegeta naturally offer some benefits. "If you carry me and we make this through, I can give you $10 million. Why not gamble 9% for a better life?"

"But Vegeta", said Goku, "Life's priceless. I won't gamble even 0.01% to lose my life, let alone 9%." Vegeta is angry that Goku is suddenly so wise.

Vegeta persuaded. "Listen Goku, it's like playing blackjack. If you get 2 cards of 15 points, will you not try a 9% chance to draw 1 more card to hit 21? 15 points, or just 30% of survival is already low, why not gamble for a better tomorrow." Goku thinks for a while and agreed.

Suddenly frieza appeared. "Look, assume you walk at 4km/h and by carrying vegeta you can only walk at 3km/h. Without water you'd die in 3 days. Assume you walk for 20 hours daily, that's 240km vs 180km. That improvement is only 60km. Must you trade one life just for that pathetic distance? Or just for that slightly few more hours? Exchange one Life for few more hours. Maximum selfish and shallow, Goku.

Bardock appeared and gave Frieza a punch. "If that few hours ensured Goku's survival, then it's meant to be! It's fate and destiny's call!". The 2 started doing battle.

....

I read that twice and now I have a headache...

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by Kobs:

Bring Alice, if you don't make it, at least you will scr*w before dying

Is that a moral consideration?

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

...
How much would be good enough for you?...

And more to the point... do the people you'er around know what their % chance might be for you to help or not help them?
...

It would depend on different variables than just % increase in survival chance.
If this is really a question you mean to sincerely consider, then it might also be worth asking / considering what Alice wants, among other things.

Perhaps Alice has children that for some reason will die if neither Bob nor Alice make it out of the desert. In which case, Alice might want Bob to leave her so that he can make sure that her kids survive, especially if she thinks that it may increase his chance by more than just 9%.

If Alice tells Bob to leave her and go ensure her children have a future but Bob tries to carry her anyways and they both die in the desert, it no longer is clear what the morally correct decision would have been.

Unfortunately, the fact that other variables have not been included with the information provided by the problem does not mean that there could not possibly be other details but it is interesting to see how people reason through it with the limited information that they have.

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

... And what's their % chance might be for helping you?... or not... ...

Good question.
Well... I can tell you that I wouldn't ever go into the desert with Zoe or Mallory in the first place.

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

...
The answer should be "there's never a good enough % to risk leaving someone" if one wants to call themselves "civil" or "humanitarian" :lunar2019deadpanpig:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbZzpKf1fEM

[Yew Nough]

...so what are the odds if they stay put and survive off of surrounding fauna/flora til a rescue comes?

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Zebrant:

Is Alice a baddie, though?

I don't think it matters if Alice is a baddie or not. Because Alice is a human being. And is therefore made of meat.

[Sam]

How much does it increase Bob's chances of survival when he slices her up and uses her as provisions?

This dilemma always reminds me of this classic scene from "A Boy and his Dog". Careful, SPOILER ALERT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTABvIoILsk

[Affronter]

Alice & Bob need to procreate immediately to keep the species alive!

[Grendalcat]

What happened to Carol and Ted?

[ありす [Busy/Away]]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

What happened to Carol and Ted?

They made it back home thank goodness. The neighbor made them scalloped potatoes and they nearly missed it! I hear the potatoes are out of this world!

[Faster With Feeling]

Originally posted by Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Hallowed are the Ori.

Those guys suck.
They force you to worship in their religion or die.
Basically like a nasty version of space church with guns

[Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏]

Originally posted by Zebrant:

Is Alice a baddie, though?

That might not matter as long as she isn't a strictly a self-serving narcissist
- and even if she is... everyone is relevant to somebody :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbYcXwYpTWQ

Originally posted by Little Miss Vomit 2023:

... What are Bobs chances of survival if he eats alice?

Perhaps there are some questions that we should not ask the machine...

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

...
But I know the answer to that... unfortunately... it seems either way "Bob" and "Alice" along with most of "humanity" is doomed..

That's correct!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhWe2nf24ag